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[quote=Chico23231;1339905]While I initially laughed at this when I see cousins and Murray ranked so high…I then reality kinda sets in, nfc is really lacking in QB talent.[/quote]

Yeah, the NFC ain't winning the Super Bowl any time soon, outside of the Iggles.

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I guess it's slim pickings in the NFC but I'd take Goff over Murray

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[quote=MTK;1339907]I guess it's slim pickings in the NFC but I'd take Goff over Murray[/quote]

I would too, Murray isn’t good and I would easily take Geno over him too.

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Apart from Sam Howell obviously :D

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339911]Apart from Sam Howell obviously :D[/quote]

Other than RG3 (i bought the hype when he was drafted) i have not have a good feeling about a Redskins/commanders QB since they traded for Brad Johnson. For whatever reason i have a really good feeling about Sam Howell and that he will become a really good QB for us. Not sure why, but i feel he might be the best QB here in 30 years or so, maybe longer.

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I'd take 2 or 3 not even on that list over Murray right now.

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Hard to argue with that list in regards to NFC

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Ugh…I hate to say it, seeing this list makes my mind open the door for Lamar in the DC.

He’s here, he’s a top 3 QB in the conference if AR leaves? Is that correct?

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[quote=Chico23231;1339924]Ugh…I hate to say it, seeing this list makes my mind open the door for Lamar in the DC.

He’s here, he’s a top 3 QB in the conference if AR leaves? Is that correct?[/quote]

no doubt

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Based on that list he is top 2 IMO.

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RGIII is a idiot.


Robert Griffin III
@RGIII
Top 5 Quarterbacks in the NFC
1. Jalen Hurts
2. Kirk Cousins
3. Dak Prescott
4. Kyler Murray
5. Geno Smith
(Pending Rodgers Trade to Jets)

1)Hurts
2)Rodgers
3) Jones
4)Dak
5)Cousins

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Jones #3 LOL

Sorry, Cousins all day over Jones and it's not really close

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[quote=MTK;1339932][B]Jones #3 LOL[/B]

Sorry, Cousins all day over Jones and it's not really close[/quote]

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[quote=Giantone;1339930]RGIII is a idiot.


Robert Griffin III
@RGIII
Top 5 Quarterbacks in the NFC
1. Jalen Hurts
2. Kirk Cousins
3. Dak Prescott
4. Kyler Murray
5. Geno Smith
(Pending Rodgers Trade to Jets)

1)Hurts
2)Rodgers
3) Jones
4)Dak
5)Cousins[/quote]

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[quote=Giantone;1339930]RGIII is a idiot.

1)Hurts
2)Rodgers
3) Jones
4)Dak
5)Cousins[/quote]

G1 I got no beef with you, but what were you thinking posting this on a Commies forum?

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And he didn't even read what RG3 wrote (re Rodgers). 🤭

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[quote=Giantone;1339930]RGIII is a idiot.


Robert Griffin III
@RGIII
Top 5 Quarterbacks in the NFC
1. Jalen Hurts
2. Kirk Cousins
3. Dak Prescott
4. Kyler Murray
5. Geno Smith
(Pending Rodgers Trade to Jets)

1)Hurts
2)Rodgers
3) Jones
4)Dak
5)Cousins[/quote]

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/mqAXKprU0qEAAAAC/seann-william-scott-yes.gif[/IMG]

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Lol Jones is lucky to even be in the top 10...

#3 lol. I'd put Jared Goff ahead of Jones, too.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1339946]Lol Jones is lucky to even be in the top 10...

#3 lol. I'd put Jared Goff ahead of Jones, too.[/QUOTE]


Me too. Cousins, Goff, Smith and Hurts are the only quarterbacks I would worry about playing in the conference. Jones lol. Dak double lol.

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The Lamar situation is getting weirder by the second.

Even if BAL and Lamar come together on $$$ they need a lot of hugging and counseling to repair their relationship.

I think Lamar is out for Lamar only which i get in pro sports he just doesn't hide it very well.

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[quote=mredskins;1339950]The Lamar situation is getting weirder by the second.

Even if BAL and Lamar come together on $$$ they need a lot of hugging and counseling to repair their relationship.

I think Lamar is out for Lamar only which i get in pro sports he just doesn't hide it very well.[/quote]

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-warns-clubs-not-to-negotiate-with-uncertified-person-attempting-to-act-as-lamar-jacksons-agent-222007894.html[/url]

NFL warns clubs not to negotiate with ‘uncertified person’ attempting to act as Lamar Jackson’s agent

He also has a guy calling teams to start negotiations with him. Lamar is pretty dumb guy

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[quote=Chico23231;1339951][url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-warns-clubs-not-to-negotiate-with-uncertified-person-attempting-to-act-as-lamar-jacksons-agent-222007894.html[/url]

NFL warns clubs not to negotiate with ‘uncertified person’ attempting to act as Lamar Jackson’s agent

He also has a guy calling teams to start negotiations with him. Lamar is pretty dumb guy[/quote]

dude this shit had me cracking up look at the memes:
[url]https://opoyi.com/sports/ken-francis-lamar-jackson-agent-memes-circulate-on-twitter-after-non-certified-agent-tries-to-negotiate-qbs-contract/[/url]

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I like this tweet from Ben Standig, with all the national media suggesting collusion and say teams like Washington need to make a move

[quote]Every team has flaws, makes mistakes, etc, but the Ravens are considered a pro operation and not just in comparison to Washington.

Therefore, more understanding needed as to why they wouldn't keep Lamar at all costs before stating any other team is nuts for not going all in.[/quote]

Baltimore either dont want him at his price or are going to match any offer made

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339954]I like this tweet from Ben Standig, with all the national media suggesting collusion and say teams like Washington need to make a move



Baltimore either dont want him at his price or are going to match any offer made[/quote]

And tomorrow it will either rain or it won't.

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both lamar and bmore are handling this whole franchise tag worst then cousins and WSH


fawking Bmore has egg on its face this off season, i am tired of everyone giving them a hand job for being such a great franchise

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[quote=mredskins;1339957]both lamar and bmore are handling this whole franchise tag worst then cousins and WSH


fawking Bmore has egg on its face this off season, i am tired of everyone giving them a hand job for being such a great franchise[/quote]

I really don't understand these teams who have stable QB situations trying their best to destabilize them.

With the crazy amount of talent at QB in the AFC, why TF are you going to roll out with Tyler Huntley?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1339959]I really don't understand these teams who have stable QB situations trying their best to destabilize them.

With the crazy amount of talent at QB in the AFC, why TF are you going to roll out with Tyler Huntley?[/quote]

The issue is the Watson deal, I think owners are saying as awhile we are not making that the bar for premium QBs.

In this mess IMO bmore has played it more correctly and as of now no one is willing to pay for Lamar. The market is saying he is not Watson money, fuck even Watson not Watson money the Browns were just desperate.

Lamar needs 1999 DS when he was just crazy over spending.

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[quote=mredskins;1339960]The issue is the Watson deal, I think owners are saying as awhile we are not making that the bar for premium QBs.

In this mess IMO bmore has played it more correctly and as of now no one is willing to pay for Lamar. The market is saying he is not Watson money, fuck even Watson not Watson money the Browns were just desperate.

Lamar needs 1999 DS when he was just crazy over spending.[/quote]

The market is not dictating that he's not worth the money, the owners are colluding to now allow another Watson deal. It is always the case that every new QB deal sets the market for QBs. Watson set the market, whether the owners like it or now.

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My take is LJ saw the Watson deal and probably based on his MVP season alone said "I want that".
Baltimore said "We want to keep you, but not at that price. DW is a QB that can also run when he has to but is a better passer, and that's always his first option. You are valuable to us but you're not the same quality passer. Here's the deal we're at. Oh and you probably should get an agent."
"No, I and I alone think you are wrong, I'm worth DW money and I'm going to hold out for that kind of deal. If you can't pay me someone else will."
"Lamar, given your recent injury history nobody is going to offer you that deal, not to mention what we already said. Get an agent (preferably someone that can talk sense into you)."
"I do not agree, lets see what happens."
"OK, but we're tagging you. You do realise that means if some idiot comes along and offers what you want, we'll get picks to replace you, even if we chose not to match their offer. You don't really hold the cards here."
"I reject your reality and substitute my own. I'm getting one of my homies to have a chat with the other teams."
Other NFL teams "Who da F is this guy asking to talk? Hey B'more, can you get LJ to sign an agent please? We'll talk, but not to some guy off the street."
"Hey, don't ask us, not our problem. Talk to Roger."
At which point Goodell goes and finds a cupboard to hide in.

Nobody is going to come out smelling of roses here, but LJ is making himself look a fool. I don't believe there is collusion because he's not a Mahomes, Burrow or Allen. Or Watson for that matter. On his day he's a top 10 QB but he's not in that elite stratosphere, and nobody is stupid/desperate enough at this point to pay what he wants, if they ever will be. If he's not careful he's going to be another Cam Newton.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1339961]The market is not dictating that he's not worth the money, the owners are colluding to now allow another Watson deal. It is always the case that every new QB deal sets the market for QBs. Watson set the market, whether the owners like it or now.[/quote]

The owners are the market ; who else is the market? I am not paying NFL QBs nor you

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[url]https://theathletic.com/4332062/2023/03/23/lamar-jackson-free-agent-ravens-problems/?amp=1[/url]

Good article about LJ

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1339962]My take is LJ saw the Watson deal and probably based on his MVP season alone said "I want that".
Baltimore said "We want to keep you, but not at that price. DW is a QB that can also run when he has to but is a better passer, and that's always his first option. You are valuable to us but you're not the same quality passer. Here's the deal we're at. Oh and you probably should get an agent."
"No, I and I alone think you are wrong, I'm worth DW money and I'm going to hold out for that kind of deal. If you can't pay me someone else will."
"Lamar, given your recent injury history nobody is going to offer you that deal, not to mention what we already said. Get an agent (preferably someone that can talk sense into you)."
"I do not agree, lets see what happens."
"OK, but we're tagging you. You do realise that means if some idiot comes along and offers what you want, we'll get picks to replace you, even if we chose not to match their offer. You don't really hold the cards here."
"I reject your reality and substitute my own. I'm getting one of my homies to have a chat with the other teams."
Other NFL teams "Who da F is this guy asking to talk? Hey B'more, can you get LJ to sign an agent please? We'll talk, but not to some guy off the street."
"Hey, don't ask us, not our problem. Talk to Roger."
At which point Goodell goes and finds a cupboard to hide in.

Nobody is going to come out smelling of roses here, but LJ is making himself look a fool. I don't believe there is collusion because he's not a Mahomes, Burrow or Allen. Or Watson for that matter. On his day he's a top 10 QB but he's not in that elite stratosphere, and nobody is stupid/desperate enough at this point to pay what he wants, if they ever will be. If he's not careful he's going to be another Cam Newton.[/quote]

Watson and Lamar's stats/records are very comparable, why shouldn't he ask for a similar contract?

Watson. W/L: 31-29/1-2 playoffs
Cmp/Att: 1285/1918
Cmp%: 67.0
Yds: 15,641
Avg: 8.2
TDs: 111
INTs: 41
Rtg: 102.3

Lamar W/L: 49-21/1-3 playoffs
Cmp/Att: 1055/1655
Cmp%: 63.7
Yds: 12,209
Avg: 7.4
TDs: 101
INTs: 38
Rtg: 96.7

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1339951][url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-warns-clubs-not-to-negotiate-with-uncertified-person-attempting-to-act-as-lamar-jacksons-agent-222007894.html[/url]

NFL warns clubs not to negotiate with ‘uncertified person’ attempting to act as Lamar Jackson’s agent

He also has a guy calling teams to start negotiations with him. Lamar is pretty dumb guy[/QUOTE]


Both Lamar and the supposed fake agent denying this.

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[quote=punch it in;1339971]Both Lamar and the supposed fake agent denying this.[/quote]

yeah because the nfl is making it up, lol!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1339966]Watson and Lamar's stats/records are very comparable, why shouldn't he ask for a similar contract?

Watson. W/L: 31-29/1-2 playoffs
Cmp/Att: 1285/1918
Cmp%: 67.0
Yds: 15,641
Avg: 8.2
TDs: 111
INTs: 41
Rtg: 102.3

Lamar W/L: 49-21/1-3 playoffs
Cmp/Att: 1055/1655
Cmp%: 63.7
Yds: 12,209
Avg: 7.4
TDs: 101
INTs: 38
Rtg: 96.7[/quote]

I don't think anyone would deny his effectiveness - when he's available. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league, and Lamar has lost too much time to injury to warrant guarantees like he expects. Wherever he's playing next season, he'll get well paid, but he won't get the guaranteed money he's asking for.

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watson money + 2 first round picks is a LOT more than just watson money. I don't think you need to collusion to explain away the lack of contracts.

Also, injury history, also watson deal was bad (from an owner's perspective), also self-representation is potentially a really bad idea (it's a great way to get butthurt when a team tells you why you're not worth what you think you are, and it can be an issue not having someone you trust there to convince you about what would be a good deal).

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I see Watson’s numbers as a fair bit better. In 10 fewer games, he’s thrown for 3000 more yards, 10 more tds, has a better completion %, although slightly more picks. Watson may be a crap human being whereas Lamar just seems (at best) naive. But just looking at numbers, Lamar can’t really say he’s better or even on par.


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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35968103/qb-lamar-jackson-says-requested-trade-ravens[/url]

This keeps getting uglier.

I can't see him going back to BAL at this point.

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At the very least I'd call them and see what they want