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[quote=Redskins247;1339639]Wow...that's a nice chunk they're still paying for Collins! Still getting screwed by Bruce.[/quote]

Yup and Ron matched it with Will Jax. I think we are done with everyone after this coming season on this list.

But 2 players i think that still could be on the chopping block is Roullier and Logan Thomas. I’d keep both, but Roullier needs to be renegotiated. I’m not sure is Gates is a better center than Roullier when Chase is 100% healthy, but of course that’s the problem

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Per Keim:

Skins still in the market for both LB and RB, but will wait until the later round of Free Agency

The guy who would fit well: Jerrick McKinnon. Played for Bieniemy; mutual respect; good experienced third down RB. The ? Is the $$. Why they’ll wait to see where it goes. If no signings, draft later.

McKinnon is a beast, I think he’s better than JD

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[quote=Giantone;1339627]JB is a good pick up for you guys.[/quote]

160 mill for Daniel Jones?

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@john_keim
As an FYI: Washington has made an offer to WR Cam Sims (as we all expected). Just waiting to hear what he wants to do. Adding Kemp doesn't change how Sims can still help. Different roles on ST. Both help there. Both block well. Kemp: 4 career receptions; Sims: 57 career catches.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1339642]Per Keim:

Skins still in the market for both LB and RB, but will wait until the later round of Free Agency

The guy who would fit well: Jerrick McKinnon. Played for Bieniemy; mutual respect; good experienced third down RB. The ? Is the $$. Why they’ll wait to see where it goes. If no signings, draft later.

McKinnon is a beast, I think he’s better than JD[/QUOTE]


Why a RB? Are Patterson or Williams considered third down/pass catching backs? I feel like the rb room was solid last year? Can think of a few other holes id like to plug than rb? Maybe EB looking for something particular we don’t have now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1339644]160 mill for Daniel Jones?[/quote]

Breaks down to 37.5 for 3 years each, 112.5. He earned it.

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Tom Pelissero on Twitter

Cole Holcomb passed his physical and is signing a three-year, $18 million deal with the #Steelers today, per source. The new middle linebacker and signal-caller for Pittsburgh’s defense.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339652]Tom Pelissero on Twitter

Cole Holcomb passed his physical and is signing a three-year, $18 million deal with the #Steelers today, per source. The new middle linebacker and signal-caller for Pittsburgh’s defense.[/quote]

Based on usual cap economics that is a $3m cap hit this year, less than they guaranteed to the new guy. [Edit] $18m is the max value of the contract.

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JP Finlay on Twitter

Talking w @Joe_Fann about new Commanders LB Cody Barton: "He's serviceable if unspectacular...The development never popped for a 3rd rounder...He's fine, he's not going to lose you games, but he's not going to make those game wrecker plays either"

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1339634]Passer rating doesn't take into account the impact the WR has on a play while QBR focuses exclusively on the QBs impact on any given play. Regardless if you think they are relatively comparable or even if TH is slightly better is he worth 20 mil for 2 yrs? I'd prefer the 8 mil for one player. Let's hope he is there to provide insight and a guiding veteran force to Sam and nothing more. [B]He has experience that TH cannot provide Sam[/B] and I think that plus cost is the most important factor.[/quote]

experience at being 18-30 as a starter, sure.

Its my opinion, yall dont have to agree, try suffering through watching every game he played last year. The dude is a bum, period. Nothing to see here. If he sniffs qb1, like i said, we're screwed, see ya next year.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339652]Tom Pelissero on Twitter

Cole Holcomb passed his physical and is signing a three-year, $18 million deal with the #Steelers today, per source. The new middle linebacker and signal-caller for Pittsburgh’s defense.[/quote]

I'm kinda surprised we wouldn't sign Holcomb for the deal he got with Steelers. $6 million per year isn't that significant. I know the guarantee is the issue but I wouldn't oppose giving him a few millions extra guaranteed to have a real competition in the LB corp.

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[quote=Meks;1339655]experience at being 18-30 as a starter, sure.

Its my opinion, yall dont have to agree, try suffering through watching every game he played last year. The dude is a bum, period. Nothing to see here. If he sniffs qb1, like i said, we're screwed, see ya next year.[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone but I don't expect or want him to start. Who would you prefer to sign as a FA back up?

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[quote=Meks;1339655]experience at being 18-30 as a starter, sure.

Its my opinion, yall dont have to agree, try suffering through watching every game he played last year. The dude is a bum, period. Nothing to see here. If he sniffs qb1, like i said, we're screwed, see ya next year.[/quote]

Did you watch all the Commanders games?

I'm surprised how split we all are on if Brissett is an improvement or not. I'm in the definitely improved camp.

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[quote=punch it in;1339647]Why a RB? Are Patterson or Williams considered third down/pass catching backs? I feel like the rb room was solid last year? Can think of a few other holes id like to plug than rb? Maybe EB looking for something particular we don’t have now.[/quote]

I think JD was the 3rd down/pass catching back, but he was injured and now he's gone. I heard somewhere that McKinnon could be in the mix. You got the Robinson/Gibson as main backs, McKinnon as the 3rd down. So either Patterson or Williams may not be around.

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[quote=punch it in;1339647]Why a RB? Are Patterson or Williams considered third down/pass catching backs? I feel like the rb room was solid last year? Can think of a few other holes id like to plug than rb? Maybe EB looking for something particular we don’t have now.[/quote]

McKinnon in EB screen game is deadly. I’d say get him here

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Can’t have enough good backs especially to help support a young QB

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I don't think we need McKinnon at all. Gibson is more than fine handling 3rd down and splitting carries w/ BR.

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Do they have something against Patterson? Everytime he gets carries he gets tough yards.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1339667]Do they have something against Patterson? Everytime he gets carries he gets tough yards.[/quote]

I thought he looked great against Dallas, but what do I know.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1339667]Do they have something against Patterson? Everytime he gets carries he gets tough yards.[/quote]

I thought they let JD go because they liked at least either Patterson or Williams.

But Bieniemy could just want 1 of his guys here.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1339669]I thought they let JD go because they liked at least either Patterson or Williams.

But Bieniemy could just want 1 of his guys here.[/quote]

JD had neck issues and he was released due to a failed physical, not much money saved on the cap

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1339669]I thought they let JD go because they liked at least either Patterson or Williams.

But Bieniemy could just want 1 of his guys here.[/quote]

I think the mindset is to have two lead backs and to have back ups for each of them.

I think both Patterson and Williams are more in the B-Rob mold, a tough/in-between the tackles RB. We really don't have a back up in the Gibson mold, so maybe that's what they would also want.

Also, I do agree that it could also be EB wanting one of his guys in the RB room.

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I feel bad for McKissic. He was extremely valuable to our check-down centric offense. I hope he can play somewhere next year.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339670]JD had neck issues and he was released due to a failed physical, not much money saved on the cap[/quote]

I wasn't aware he failed his physical. Best of luck to him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1339659]Did you watch all the Commanders games?

I'm surprised how split we all are on if Brissett is an improvement or not. I'm in the definitely improved camp.[/quote]

Yes we go to the bar and have wsh/cle/phi/bal on all the tvs next to eachother

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[quote=MTK;1339665]Can’t have enough good backs especially to help support a young QB[/quote]

Keyword backup. I will be distraught if this dude is even talked about as a potential starter. Hence this current 2 day freak out here lol

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[quote=Meks;1339676]Yes we go to the bar and have wsh/cle/phi/bal on all the tvs next to eachother[/quote]

That was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I apologize if that post came off a bit dickish.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Brissett. I think he's better than Heinicke.

I think we all agree, HOWELL WIN THE JOB BABY!!!

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can a team win a championship with a average QB with these ingredients??
*strong O line ( given time a average QB can be effective)
*solid Running game ( takes pressure off passing)
* solid WR/TE
*Very Good D ( top 10 D?)
We don’t have a Top level QB .. probably won’t get one this year so what are realistic expectations?

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1339679]can a team win a championship with a average QB with these ingredients??
*strong O line ( given time a average QB can be effective)
*solid Running game ( takes pressure off passing)
* solid WR/TE
*Very Good D ( top 10 D?)
We don’t have a Top level QB .. probably won’t get one this year so what are realistic expectations?[/QUOTE]


Yes and they have. But obviously a strong quarterback helps. Howell may be one btw. He has never lost a game in the NFL!

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1339660]I think JD was the 3rd down/pass catching back, but he was injured and now he's gone. I heard somewhere that McKinnon could be in the mix. You got the Robinson/Gibson as main backs, McKinnon as the 3rd down. So either Patterson or Williams may not be around.[/QUOTE]


Yeah he definitely was. And a damn good one. Was referring to last year with Patterson and Williams. Didn’t know McKinnon was an option- agree with you and Chico though. If that’s the case yeah get him. Keep Williams too. I like him better than Patterson.

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[quote=punch it in;1339680]Yes and they have. But obviously a strong quarterback helps. Howell may be one btw. He has never lost a game in the NFL![/quote]

1-0. If I was him I'd retire with being no worse than tied for the greatest winning % of all times.

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[quote=rocnrik;1339679]can a team win a championship with a average QB with these ingredients??
*strong O line ( given time a average QB can be effective)
*solid Running game ( takes pressure off passing)
* solid WR/TE
*Very Good D ( top 10 D?)
We don’t have a Top level QB .. probably won’t get one this year so what are realistic expectations?[/quote]

2000 Ravens with Trent Dilfer.

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[quote=rocnrik;1339679]can a team win a championship with a average QB with these ingredients??
*strong O line ( given time a average QB can be effective)
*solid Running game ( takes pressure off passing)
* solid WR/TE
*Very Good D ( top 10 D?)
We don’t have a Top level QB .. probably won’t get one this year so what are realistic expectations?[/quote]

I am going to say not really. The only QB to win that was not playing top level in the last decade is Nick Foles and even then. The team was 11-2 with Carson Wentz having a near MVP season. After that you have to go all the way back to 2006 when Rex Grossman was the losing QB with the Bears and that is a moot point. The game has changed so much since 2006.



I think you can make the playoffs. Win the division. Maybe win a playoff game but that is about the ceiling.

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PFF list of best remaining available FA's:

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-100-best-available-2023-free-agents[/url]

Cut Chase R. and Thomas and go get Bobby Wagner.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1339711]PFF list of best remaining available FA's:

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-100-best-available-2023-free-agents[/url]

Cut Chase R. and Thomas and go get Bobby Wagner.[/quote]

Too expensive, no need, draft a LB instead. Rather use that money on Curl, Sweat, Young. If anything, trade Samuel, Dyami Brown has good chemistry with Howell.

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try to sign dru tranquill can be used in buffalo nickle package very good outsidelinebacker that can cover and rush or play next to line of scrimimage

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barton is going to be are startling MLB. weather we like it or not

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[quote=njant;1339718]barton is going to be are startling MLB. weather we like it or not[/quote]

Yes, and I dont l Iike it. If he is good enough to be our starting MLB, why sign him to a 1 year deal? Makes me wonder whether they have an eye on taking a guy high in the draft... we shall see

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[quote=njant;1339718]barton is going to be are startling MLB. weather we like it or not[/quote]

Barton is all over the field, he caught my eye last year while watching a few Seahawks game.

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Ben Standig on Twitter

The Commanders are expected to sign Falcons free agent DT Abdullah Anderson, source confirms (@PLeonardNYDN
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