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I see Hamas is now taking measures to ensure as many civilians are in the line fire as possible in Gaza (They told Gazans to remain in the area Israel warned them to evacuate).
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[quote=nonniey;1348621]I see Hamas is now taking measures to ensure as many civilians are in the line fire as possible in Gaza (They told Gazans to remain in the area Israel warned them to evacuate).[/quote]
If liberals and shit hole, bigoted organizations like BLM, Democratic Socialist, etc really wanted peace they would be calling for the immediate unconditional surrender of Hamas, and the return of all hostages But they don’t say that because they support a terrorist organization and the extermination of Jews and the State of Israel. They are the Nazis they claim others to be. This week has been and eye opener for some (Ackman, Larry Summers, Silverman, etc) but it’s really troubling that a majority of leftists are bigots who ignore the American killed, the babies killed, etc and chose to regurgitate Hamas propaganda in clear support of their killings of Jews. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1348622]If liberals and shit hole, bigoted organizations like BLM, Democratic Socialist, etc really wanted peace they would be calling for the immediate unconditional surrender of Hamas, and the return of all hostages
But they don’t say that because they support a terrorist organization and the extermination of Jews and the State of Israel. They are the Nazis they claim others to be. This week has been and eye opener for some (Ackman, Larry Summers, Silverman, etc) but it’s really troubling that a majority of leftists are bigots who ignore the American killed, the babies killed, etc and chose to regurgitate Hamas propaganda in clear support of their killings of Jews.[/quote] You're as ignorant as anyone I have ever known STFU. |
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[quote=nonniey;1348620]100 years? The results aren't all the same they are mixed. The Nazis and Japanese militarists aren't in power in Germany or Japan, the South Koreans are free, the Baath Party and ISIS aren't in power in Iraq and lots of innocent deaths were part of the cost we paid for that.[/quote]
When I said results are the same I was referring to civilian deaths as the cost of doing business. I would hope that we would have tried to reduce it at all cost possible at this point. Maybe this is the best we can do? I am pretty confident there is a 5 year old Palestinian kid that just lost his parents and in 20 years we will see the cycle continue. wash. rinse. repeat. |
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[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/top-secret-hamas-documents-show-terrorists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310[/url]
Top secret' Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center Maps and documents recovered from the bodies of Hamas attackers reveal a coordinated plan to target children and take hostages inside an Israeli village near Gaza. Who can defend this? Who is defending Hamas? |
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[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/top-secret-hamas-documents-show-terrorists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310[/url]
Top secret' Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center Maps and documents recovered from the bodies of Hamas attackers reveal a coordinated plan to target children and take hostages inside an Israeli village near Gaza. Who can defend this? Who is defending Hamas? This absolutely not the samething when Israel who is 1000% right to go into Gaza to hunt down terrorists and Hamas uses children as human shield hoping for high civilian body counts. This isn’t a bothsides or moral equivalency…it’s not. It’s never been. |
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Hopefully we can get this taken care off and get these Americans out of there:
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/14/world/middleeast/gaza-egypt-border-crossing-israel.html[/url] |
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[quote=Chico23231;1348622]If liberals and shit hole, bigoted organizations like BLM, Democratic Socialist, etc really wanted peace they would be calling for the immediate unconditional surrender of Hamas, and the return of all hostages
But they don’t say that because they support a terrorist organization and the extermination of Jews and the State of Israel. They are the Nazis they claim others to be. This week has been and eye opener for some (Ackman, Larry Summers, Silverman, etc) but it’s really troubling that a majority of leftists are bigots who ignore the American killed, the babies killed, etc and chose to regurgitate Hamas propaganda in clear support of their killings of Jews.[/quote] This is what you sound like: [url]https://youtu.be/K9agFtqFv_k?si=teQfkcm7s8QxqoRT[/url] I have better things to do, so for the record: Hamas = bad Hezbollah = bad Netanyahu = bad/corrupt Gov't of Israel = bad People of Israel who don't support killing innocent Palestinians = good People of Palestine who don't support killing innocent Israelis = good People who support war or murdering innocent civilians on either side = bad Iran = bad by proxy I'm sure I left somebody out or there's room for misinterpretation somewhere, so hop to it. |
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[quote=mooby;1349023]This is what you sound like:
[url]https://youtu.be/K9agFtqFv_k?si=teQfkcm7s8QxqoRT[/url] I have better things to do, so for the record: Hamas = bad Hezbollah = bad Netanyahu = bad/corrupt Gov't of Israel = bad People of Israel who don't support killing innocent Palestinians = good People of Palestine who don't support killing innocent Israelis = good People who support war or murdering innocent civilians on either side = bad Iran = bad by proxy I'm sure I left somebody out or there's room for misinterpretation somewhere, so hop to it.[/quote] How about Hamas bootlicking by leftist, rampant antisemitism which is mostly leftist, hate crimes on college campuses, and the Nazi like rallies in these cities and college campuses? Those bad Mooby? Antifa, BLM and democrat socialists with their modern day Klan like posters and propaganda? Is that bad? Pathetic |
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[quote=Chico23231;1349114]How about Hamas bootlicking by leftist, rampant antisemitism which is mostly leftist, hate crimes on college campuses, and the Nazi like rallies in these cities and college campuses? Those bad Mooby?
Antifa, BLM and democrat socialists with their modern day Klan like posters and propaganda? Is that bad? Pathetic[/quote] I speak for myself and nobody else. Quit white knighting on the message boards and go confront them if you care that deeply. |
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[quote=mooby;1349123]I speak for myself and nobody else. Quit white knighting on the message boards and go confront them if you care that deeply.[/quote]
It's useless, he is ignorant of what he speaks. It's really very sad. |
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The Middle East has done turned this thread into an episode of The Simpsons.
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........as usual you make no sense.
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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1349114]How about Hamas bootlicking by leftist, rampant antisemitism which is mostly leftist, hate crimes on college campuses, and the Nazi like rallies in these cities and college campuses? Those bad Mooby?
Antifa, BLM and democrat socialists with their modern day Klan like posters and propaganda? Is that bad? Pathetic[/QUOTE] Wait blm and dems are nazis and maga is good? Oh my. This is an all time brainwashed joke of a post. I know you believe this fox news crap but seeing it all in one post is still mind blowing. In MAGA’s America if you speak up against social inequality which is bad for the status quo you are now a Nazi. Mission accomplished Q. Bravo. You have officially confused and broken enough brains to make America white again. |
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Something you will never see Fox or CNN do
[url]https://www.wbur.org/inside/2023/10/16/an-update-from-on-point[/url] |
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1349156]Something you will never see Fox or CNN do
[url]https://www.wbur.org/inside/2023/10/16/an-update-from-on-point[/url][/quote] Bravo to them! |
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The crazy 8 are absolutely turning Congress into a clown show. Bravo MAGA Bravo!
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1349156]Something you will never see Fox or CNN do
[url]https://www.wbur.org/inside/2023/10/16/an-update-from-on-point[/url][/quote] Or about 90+% of the rest of the media as well. |
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Well, that $110b request isn't going anywhere until there is a speaker. GOP can't get their act together - will the Dems offer to support a GOP conservative, in order to get this bill and others passed? And no, don't suggest it - Jeffries or any Dem are not options. Options as I see it - GOP folds and a populist MAGA takes the speakership, Dems support the conservative option instead and a traditional conservative takes the Speakership or there is no speaker and nothing done at all for 2-4 months (Desperation and panic sets in for both parties after that especially the Dems - MAGA would love this option too).
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Well, that $110b request isn't going anywhere until there is a speaker. GOP can't get their act together - will the Dems offer to support a GOP conservative, in order to get this bill and others passed? And no, don't suggest it - Jeffries or any Dem are not options. Options as I see it - GOP folds and a populist MAGA takes the speakership, Dems support the conservative option instead and a traditional conservative takes the Speakership or there is no speaker and no spending at all for 2-4 months (After that not sure what will happen).
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IMO this type of stuff/wokeness is what is dragging Biden down more than anything even if he is not directly associated with it.
Time to Throw the Intersectional Left Under the Bus! [url]https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/time-to-throw-the-intersectional[/url] "The appalling terrorist attack by the appalling terrorist group Hamas, which slaughtered more than 1300 Israelis, 87 percent of whom were civilians, is the largest single day killing of Jews since the Holocaust. The response of America’s intersectional left has also been appalling. As Sohrab Ahmari accurately noted in a Compact magazine article titled “Woke Is Dying”: Many of those who spent the last few years promoting #Defund, “intersectionality,” and similar concepts refused to condemn Hamas’s butchery—that is, when they didn’t celebrate it. The Chicago chapter of Black Lives Matter tweeted, “I Stand With Palestine,” along with a picture of a paraglider, an allusion to how Hamas terrorists descended upon an outdoor party, murdering some 260 ravers. Yale American Studies professor Zareena Grewal declared: “Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard.” The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America promoted a Times Square rally at which murderers were hailed as liberators......" |
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two things can be true at once.
terrorism is bad. land theft/oppression is also bad. There's a lot of nuance and history related to how this whole thing has played out since WWII (that's sorta pointless to go into on a football board), but the short of it is that neither side has been seriously interested in peace for a while. If the underlying causes aren't addressed, this shit will just continue on some version of repeat every few years (spoiler, they probably won't be addressed). |
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[quote=That Guy;1349310]two things can be true at once.
terrorism is bad. land theft/oppression is also bad. There's a lot of nuance and history related to how this whole thing has played out since WWII (that's sorta pointless to go into on a football board), but the short of it is that neither side has been seriously interested in peace for a while. If the underlying causes aren't addressed, this shit will just continue on some version of repeat every few years (spoiler, they probably won't be addressed).[/quote] It probably will go on for the rest of this century and probably the next as well. That said I put this entirely on the Arabs. In 1948 there were 2 states and it was the Arabs that decided they wanted it all and chose war to get their way and never renounced the goal of Israels destruction. And they have been complaining ever since about the Israeli's being better at violence than them. You've seen the meme if the Israelis laid down their weapons they would be annihilated, if the Arabs did there would be peace. That actually is accurate. |
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[quote=nonniey;1349291]IMO this type of stuff/wokeness is what is dragging Biden down more than anything even if he is not directly associated with it.
Time to Throw the Intersectional Left Under the Bus! [url]https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/time-to-throw-the-intersectional[/url] "The appalling terrorist attack by the appalling terrorist group Hamas, which slaughtered more than 1300 Israelis, 87 percent of whom were civilians, is the largest single day killing of Jews since the Holocaust. The response of America’s intersectional left has also been appalling. As Sohrab Ahmari accurately noted in a Compact magazine article titled “Woke Is Dying”: Many of those who spent the last few years promoting #Defund, “intersectionality,” and similar concepts refused to condemn Hamas’s butchery—that is, when they didn’t celebrate it. The Chicago chapter of Black Lives Matter tweeted, “I Stand With Palestine,” along with a picture of a paraglider, an allusion to how Hamas terrorists descended upon an outdoor party, murdering some 260 ravers. Yale American Studies professor Zareena Grewal declared: “Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard.” The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America promoted a Times Square rally at which murderers were hailed as liberators......"[/quote] These people are bigoted pieces of shit. I can’t believe 31 Americans died in a terrorist attack and people in this country are either supporting the killing of fellow citizens or trying to both sides as apologists for terrorist killing Americans. There isn’t any nuance The people in Gaza overwhelmingly support Hamas through elections. When the news hit Palestine people of the terrorist attack, their reaction? Cheering and celebrating. Instead of condemning the attack, they celebrate it. Enough, the suffering in Gaza is due only to Hamas not Israel I’m tired of retard liberals telling me how to think about the killing of Americans abroad in a brutal terrorist attack. Grow the fuck up |
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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1349316]These people are bigoted pieces of shit. I can’t believe 31 Americans died in a terrorist attack and people in this country are either supporting the killing of fellow citizens or trying to both sides as apologists for terrorist killing Americans. There isn’t any nuance
The people in Gaza overwhelmingly support Hamas through elections. When the news hit Palestine people of the terrorist attack, their reaction? Cheering and celebrating. Instead of condemning the attack, they celebrate it. Enough, the suffering in Gaza is due only to Hamas not Israel I’m tired of retard liberals telling me how to think about the killing of Americans abroad in a brutal terrorist attack. Grow the fuck up[/QUOTE] But the cops that were killed by your maga klan don’t bother you. Go and tell me cops weren’t killed as a direct result i dare you? I WATCHED IT ON FUCKING TELEVISION! The countless hate crimes committed by your same maga klan in our own country don’t bother you either. AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ACTING LIKE THE PEOPLE IN GAZA SUPPORT HHAMAS! I suppose Russian people overwhelmingly support Putin through elections. My God you cannot be that ignorant that you believe their are fair elections in Gaza or Russia. I know you are a Trumper so you have problems understanding or wanting to understand how fair elections work. I hate that I ruined my Saturday reading your idiocy. |
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[quote=punch it in;1349317]But the cops that were killed by your maga klan don’t bother you. Go and tell me cops weren’t killed as a direct result i dare you? I WATCHED IT ON FUCKING TELEVISION! The countless hate crimes committed by your same maga klan in our own country don’t bother you either. AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ACTING LIKE THE PEOPLE IN GAZA SUPPORT HHAMAS! I suppose Russian people overwhelmingly support Putin through elections. My God you cannot be that ignorant that you believe their are fair elections in Gaza or Russia. I know you are a Trumper so you have problems understanding or wanting to understand how fair elections work. I hate that I ruined my Saturday reading your idiocy.[/quote]
Well, it is not a pleasant thought but the people in Gaza actually did pick Hamas and continue to support them. The Palestinians were raised to hate the Israelis, they just were. HAMAs manifests that hate which is why they are so popular in Gaza. Thing is an undefeated people (people who haven't surrendered/given up) who are at war will develop and nurture hate for their enemies (and the Palestinians think they are at war even when active fighting isn't occurring). As long as there is something that gives hope of eventual victory for the Palestinian cause they will not come to terms. The idea that no we're never getting all of Palestine back has to take root before this can be solved. I believe the solution would be to peel off all the supporting outside States but we are a long way from that. The Saudi's and other Arabian Peninsula states recognizing Israel would be a big step in that direction which I think preventing that was the main strategic target of the HAMAS attack. |
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[quote=punch it in;1349317]But the cops that were killed by your maga klan don’t bother you. Go and tell me cops weren’t killed as a direct result i dare you? I WATCHED IT ON FUCKING TELEVISION! The countless hate crimes committed by your same maga klan in our own country don’t bother you either. AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ACTING LIKE THE PEOPLE IN GAZA SUPPORT HHAMAS! I suppose Russian people overwhelmingly support Putin through elections. My God you cannot be that ignorant that you believe their are fair elections in Gaza or Russia. I know you are a Trumper so you have problems understanding or wanting to understand how fair elections work. I hate that I ruined my Saturday reading your idiocy.[/quote]
Punch, come on! You had to know chico is a low as they come, calling him ignorant is a compliment. |
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[QUOTE=nonniey;1349318]Well, it is not a pleasant thought but the people in Gaza actually did pick Hamas and continue to support them. The Palestinians were raised to hate the Israelis, they just were. HAMAs manifests that hate which is why they are so popular in Gaza. Thing is an undefeated people (people who haven't surrendered/given up) who are at war will develop and nurture hate for their enemies (and the Palestinians think they are at war even when active fighting isn't occurring). As long as there is something that gives hope of eventual victory for the Palestinian cause they will not come to terms. The idea that no we're never getting all of Palestine back has to take root before this can be solved.
I believe the solution would be to peel off all the supporting outside States but we are a long way from that. The Saudi's and other Arabian Peninsula states recognizing Israel would be a big step in that direction which I think preventing that was the main strategic target of the HAMAS attack.[/QUOTE] That is horseshit. Not all the people in Gaza chose to pick or support Hamas. There are, and have been huge swaths of people that do not support. Also as with any iron fisted government there are those who support them out if fear. For Chico or any other propagandist to say that every person living in Gaza is an anti semite or a terrorist is 110% horseshit. |
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[quote=punch it in;1349327]That is horseshit. Not all the people in Gaza chose to pick or support Hamas.
There are, and have been huge swaths of people that do not support. Also as with any iron fisted government there are those who support them out if fear. For Chico or any other propagandist to say that every person living in Gaza is an anti semite or a terrorist is 110% horseshit.[/quote] Not all but most. Hamas didn't steal the election that put them in power. It's not horseshit it is reality. The best way to address a situation is to accurately identify it and thinking the majority of Palestinians in Gaza don't support Hamas is misidentifying the reality on the ground. |
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[quote=nonniey;1349329]Not all but most.[B] Hamas didn't steal the election[/B] that put them in power. It's not horseshit it is reality. The best way to address a situation is to accurately identify it and thinking the majority of Palestinians in Gaza don't support Hamas is misidentifying the reality on the ground.[/quote]
LOL, speciously? You don't think Hamas pressured their way into power with fear? If you really think they were elected fairly, you're nuts. |
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[quote=punch it in;1349327]That is horseshit. Not all the people in Gaza chose to pick or support Hamas.
There are, and have been huge swaths of people that do not support. Also as with any iron fisted government there are those who support them out if fear. For Chico or any other propagandist to say that every person living in Gaza is an anti semite or a terrorist is 110% horseshit.[/quote] I think it was 72% percent last election which is an overwhelming landslide. Stop it. Stop apologizing for folks who support and celebrate a brutal massacre The folks of Gaza did not condemn the terrorist attack, they celebrated it. Stop apologizing for terrorist who killed Americans |
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[quote=Giantone;1349330]LOL, speciously? You don't think Hamas pressured their way into power with fear? If you really think they were elected fairly, you're nuts.[/quote]
Wow now you are sounding like MAGA. There was/is no evidence that HAMAs stole the election - heck no one even postulated that they had until I saw it on this board. |
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[quote=Giantone;1349330]LOL, speciously? You don't think Hamas pressured their way into power with fear? If you really think they were elected fairly, you're nuts.[/quote]
Shocking, G1 is a terrorist apologist who make excuses for folks who kill fellow Americans. Are you serious? |
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[quote=Chico23231;1349335]Shocking, G1 is a terrorist apologist who make excuses for folks who kill fellow Americans.
Are you serious?[/quote] LOL, you're a sad little person.. |
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[quote=nonniey;1349333]Wow now you are sounding like MAGA. There was/is no evidence that HAMAs stole the election - heck no one even postulated that they had until I saw it on this board.[/quote]
Now you're just spinning to save yourself. |
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lots of missing nuance. part of Hamas's rise was due to fatah (the previous ruling party) being super corrupt, and the main selling point was that they wouldn't be. A lot of the people there are also tired of living in something of a prison-state. Not saying there aren't concerns (Hamas has always been pretty okay with violence against civilians, not looking for coexistence, etc), but part of the reason they're in power is because of how disliked Israeli policies towards Palestinians are there and that no one seems to be doing much about it. (Also, egypt and jordan really DO NOT want palestinian refugees, and Iran likes using them, but doesn't actually care about them).
the cause/effect chain goes all the way back to the founding. it's interconnected and messy. |
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[quote=That Guy;1349341]lots of missing nuance. part of Hamas's rise was due to fatah (the previous ruling party) being super corrupt, and the main selling point was that they wouldn't be. A lot of the people there are also tired of living in something of a prison-state. Not saying there aren't concerns (Hamas has always been pretty okay with violence against civilians, not looking for coexistence, etc), but part of the reason they're in power is because of how disliked Israeli policies towards Palestinians are there and that no one seems to be doing much about it. (Also, egypt and jordan really DO NOT want palestinian refugees, and Iran likes using them, but doesn't actually care about them).
the cause/effect chain goes all the way back to the founding. it's interconnected and messy.[/quote] Thanks that is all true. I'm just pointing out that the belief (that a couple of posters here have) that HAMAS is not popular in Gaza, were not put into power by the Palestinians or seized power is denying reality. |
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Us sucking so bad makes me want to find something in regard to politics to be all pissed off about lol. But I'm in a pretty good place right now, so I got nothing.
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Joe Biden sucks.
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349897]Joe Biden sucks.[/quote]
Maybe but he ain't trump , thank God! |
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