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[quote=saden1;955725]The moment you bet with me is the moment you lost. There is no recovering from your deficit without a saintly miracle.[/quote]The Pope did just cannonize 7 new Saints.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;955728]The Pope did just cannonize 7 new Saints.[/quote]

Good think [URL="http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/19/billy-graham-no-longer-thinks-mormonism-is-a-cult/"]you're fielding a cult[/URL]. :Smoker:

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[quote=firstdown;955654]So your saying that the US is incapable of defending itself from terroist attacks under Obama? OK[/quote]

No more than under Bush,OK.

Watching these two make me wish the Libertarian and Green Party candidates were included. These 2 might as well be saying the same thing, just shaded a tad. Let the libertarian candidate remind folks of the founding fathers warning of foreign entanglements. Let the Green candidate argue the point of less energy usage. In the end neither of these two aren't going to solve our problems or change the basic path this country is headed down.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;955829]Watching these two make me wish the Libertarian and Green Party candidates were included. These 2 might as well be saying the same thing, just shaded a tad. Let the libertarian candidate remind folks of the founding fathers warning of foreign entanglements. Let the Green candidate argue the point of less energy usage. In the end neither of these two aren't going to solve our problems or change the basic path this country is headed down.[/quote]

Heard Jill Stein was arrested trying to get into the last debate.

Seriously though, why don't they invite the Libertarian and Green party candidates?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;955829]Watching these two make me wish the Libertarian and Green Party candidates were included. These 2 might as well be saying the same thing, just shaded a tad. Let the libertarian candidate remind folks of the founding fathers warning of foreign entanglements. Let the Green candidate argue the point of less energy usage. In the end neither of these two aren't going to solve our problems or change the basic path this country is headed down.[/quote]



Truth.


Corporate America (or media) doesn't want that to happen, and as long as money resides in politics, it'll continue to be that way.

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One thing we can all agree on, is we can hardly wait for the political ads/etc to stop!

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;955829]Watching these two make me wish the Libertarian and Green Party candidates were included. These 2 might as well be saying the same thing, just shaded a tad. Let the libertarian candidate remind folks of the founding fathers warning of foreign entanglements. Let the Green candidate argue the point of less energy usage. In the end neither of these two aren't going to solve our problems or change the basic path this country is headed down.[/QUOTE]

The two party system, and the amount of money in politics is what really hurts this nation.

To be honest, I don't see that changing any time soon. Unless there is a huge popular movement/uprising.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;955836]Heard Jill Stein was arrested trying to get into the last debate.

Seriously though, why don't they invite the Libertarian and Green party candidates?[/quote]

While I agree it would be nice to see, those two parties do not have enough support to be invited to the debate. It they were allowed to attened then you have a long list of others wanting to attened the debates. There has to be a cut off at some point. I lean Libertarian but they are unorganized and have done a poor job getting their base motivated to grow the party. The green party will never make it with the wackos they have leading the party.

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[quote=hooskins;955867]The two party system, and the amount of money in politics is what really hurts this nation.

To be honest, I don't see that changing any time soon. Unless there is a huge popular movement/uprising.[/quote]


You make a good argument for reducing the federal gov. thus reducing their power over the states. What you have is a country fighting over the massive 3.7 trillion federl budget and how it is spent. Take most of that away and leave it up to the states and most of these federal issue disappear. The sze of the federal gov is what has made this all about the money.

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Why would [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates"]these guys[/URL] invite anyone that isn't an elephant or a donkey?

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[quote=Daseal;955848]One thing we can all agree on, is we can hardly wait for the political ads/etc to stop![/quote]

No doubt.

And if I get another flyer stuck in my door I'm gonna rage.

[QUOTE=firstdown;955912]While I agree it would be nice to see, those two parties do not have enough support to be invited to the debate. It they were allowed to attened then you have a long list of others wanting to attened the debates. There has to be a cut off at some point. I lean Libertarian but they are unorganized and have done a poor job getting their base motivated to grow the party. The green party will never make it with the wackos they have leading the party.[/QUOTE]
I specifically said Green and Libertarian because they are on the Md ballot. if you are on the ballot in more than half the states you get a seat at the big kids table. Who cares how many people are at a debate, if I remember right the republican primaries started with more than just the top two. It is not a hard line to draw since getting on multiple state ballots show some level of organized support.

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I almost wish we had no parties . People act as if one party is the home team , and the other is the enemy ..... like redskins vz dallas . (R ) = ( D ) ...... both parties need to get their heads out of their ^$%^$%%^%$'s

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[quote=budw38;956127]I almost wish we had no parties . People act as if one party is the home team , and the other is the enemy ..... like redskins vz dallas . (R ) = ( D ) ...... both parties need to get their heads out of their ^$%^$%%^%$'s[/quote]

Parties have been around a long time, but it's how they have entrenched the money, and media, to prevent other groups from really being heard. I would have hoped the internet would have helped, but the internet side just can't organize more than a flash mob here or a flash mob there. Not really good enough to get foundations for change.

2 parties aren't bad in and of themselves, but 2 monolithic, unchanging heavyweights that control the keys to the kingdom are.