Re: Obama Care
 

Naw, Newt is wicked smaat. No doubt. One minute he's tossing red meat the masses, the next he's saying something brilliant. Funny, I think he and Al Sharpton are working with the White House on education reform.

Talk about Oscar and Felix.

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=Schneed10;779237]Right, which is why they'd institute the new methodology. One payment to cover everything, and then it's up to the providers to figure out a way to share that payment.

Then there's a downward pressure on ordering extra tests to counterbalance the risk of getting sued. It makes them walk the line.[/quote]

Makes no sense without ourt reform. What will happen is doctors will still have to order the test but now he will start eating the cost. DR. tells Obama care to Fu^% Off because they can make more money doing something else.

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i don't disagree with the mans intelligence. he is much like every other politician. his words don't match his voting record. he learned a long time ago, which the president is learning right now, the the almighty dollar controls the vote. most politicians are not whom they seem to be

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[quote=dmek25;779269]i don't disagree with the mans intelligence. he is much like every other politician. his words don't match his voting record. he learned a long time ago, which the president is learning right now, the the almighty dollar controls the vote. most politicians are not whom they seem to be[/quote]

I would beg to differ. Newt pretty much says and votes along the same lines. That whhy the liberal press and the dems attacked him back in the 90's while he was speaker of the house.

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=firstdown;779272]I would beg to differ. Newt pretty much says and votes along the same lines. That whhy the liberal press and the dems attacked him back in the 90's while he was speaker of the house.[/quote]

Hold your horses. NG is smart. Ignoring political winds to stay principled is not smart (at least it doesn't achieve anything in our system). NG played the politics game as much as anyone if not more. See exhibit A: Monica Lewinski

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thanks frplg. you beat me to it

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Despite his lukewarm policy marks, Obama has an enormous advantage because of how people see him personally; a whopping 83 percent call him likable, and 59 percent view him favorably. Majorities also consider him empathetic (63 percent), a strong leader (62 percent), and in-touch with ordinary Americans (61 percent).

The numbers are similar to the ones President Ronald Reagan faced before winning a second term in 1984.

taken from an ap poll

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Speaking of the big O he was in my area today. I work near the airport so I got to see Air Force One take off. Very cool.

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[quote=Mattyk;779493]Speaking of the big O he was in my area today. I work near the airport so I got to see Air Force One take off. Very cool.[/quote]

At the GE Plant in Schenectady, home of the 12345 area code.

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[quote=dmek25;779488]Despite his lukewarm policy marks, Obama has an enormous advantage because of how people see him personally; a whopping 83 percent call him likable, and 59 percent view him favorably. Majorities also consider him empathetic (63 percent), a strong leader (62 percent), and in-touch with ordinary Americans (61 percent).

The numbers are similar to the ones President Ronald Reagan faced before winning a second term in 1984.

taken from an ap poll[/quote]

I thought his numbers would definitely cross the 50% threshold, but not this soon. I was thinking more like the Spring.

Republicans shouldn't be too concerned with the shift in sentiment as these things tend to ebb and flow. There is a lot of politics left between now and 2012 and President Obama is in a much stronger position than he was, say, three months ago. Republicans would do well not to underestimate the president right now, people still personally like him and I hope he hits out the park on Tuesday. The longer they drag out this repeal Obamacare BS, I think they'll only hurt themselves in the future.

Re: Obama Care
 

Independent analysis on Obamacare's financial effects and keeping your current doctor/provider.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/medicare-actuary-doubts-health-care-law-hold-costs/]Medicare Actuary Doubts Health Care Law Will Hold Down Costs - FoxNews.com[/url]

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=firstdown;779176]Lots of doctors order unnessary test so they don't get sued. A good portion of those test are done by specialist and the doctor ordering them makes nothing of them.[/quote]

Very good point... and when it comes to rationing care... who's going to sue the Federal Government? Back to the same old debate... allow marketing of healthcare plans across state lines.. crack down on frivilous lawsuits that jack up the rates of medical malpractice (also known as tort reform) cut out some of the costly Federal Regulations that also increase rates... there are a number of options available without a Government take over of healthcare.

Look prior to this whole healthcare problem was created by this administration... there were 275 Million people insured. How is there a crisis when 85% of the population was insured and "liked" their coverage? Infamous words of Rahm Emanuel... never let a good crisis go to waste.. in the words of Sal Aliniski.. the ends justify the means... in other words... since there wasnt any real crisis.... we make one up and then use it to our advantage.

How come there hadnt been a healthcare problem in this country since HillaryCare was blown up in 1993... until Obama was elected? The something for nothing crowd... screams again.

Now the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard is I can keep my dependent on my healthcare LOOOOONNNNGGGG after the Federal Government stops allowing me to claim them as a dependent for tax purposes. Do people realize this also includes "Married" dependents up to age 26? How can someone 25 years old.. married and maybe even with a child of their own... still legally able to be on their "Parents" policy?? makes absolutely no sense to me at all. I could understand if they were in grad school or something where their focus is supposed to be on their studies.. but damn this is more than ridiculous... and the Prez has the nerve to speak about self responsiblity during the State of the Union? I hate someone who talks out of both sides of their neck

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[quote=Tiggwin;780972]Very good point... and [B]when it comes to rationing care...[/B] who's going to sue the Federal Government? Back to the same old debate... allow marketing of healthcare plans across state lines.. crack down on frivilous lawsuits that jack up the rates of medical malpractice (also known as tort reform) cut out some of the costly Federal Regulations that also increase rates... there are a number of options available without a Government take over of healthcare.

Look prior to this whole healthcare problem was created by this administration... there were 275 Million people insured. How is there a crisis when 85% of the population was insured and "liked" their coverage? Infamous words of Rahm Emanuel... never let a good crisis go to waste.. in the words of Sal Aliniski.. the ends justify the means... in other words... since there wasnt any real crisis.... we make one up and then use it to our advantage.

How come there hadnt been a healthcare problem in this country since HillaryCare was blown up in 1993... until Obama was elected? The something for nothing crowd... screams again.

Now the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard is I can keep my dependent on my healthcare LOOOOONNNNGGGG after the Federal Government stops allowing me to claim them as a dependent for tax purposes. Do people realize this also includes "Married" dependents up to age 26? How can someone 25 years old.. married and maybe even with a child of their own... still legally able to be on their "Parents" policy?? makes absolutely no sense to me at all. I could understand if they were in grad school or something where their focus is supposed to be on their studies.. but damn this is more than ridiculous... and the Prez has the nerve to speak about self responsiblity during the State of the Union? I hate someone who talks out of both sides of their neck[/quote]


I think at some point to control cost we will have to ration care. We spend billions to keep people alive just a few days or weeks that could be spent on long healthy people and lower cost. I know that sounds cruel but we have to find away to say that it time to stop treatment on some people.

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=firstdown;781083]I think at some point to control cost we will have to ration care. We spend billions to keep people alive just a few days or weeks that could be spent on long healthy people and lower cost. I know that sounds cruel but we have to find away to say that it time to stop treatment on some people.[/quote]

Firstdown keep in mind Dr. Kavorkian (? sorry if I have brutalized his name) was tried and convicted of performing assisted suicides back in 1999... I didnt feel it was wrong then because it was a decision made between a patient and their Dr. If someone realizes they are terminal and they want to go out on their own terms I dont have an issue with that... but before I would agree to leave the rationing up to some bureaucrat in DC Id rather they create legislation to ration care to all of the 12,000,000 illegal aliens in this country.. Id rather they create legislation to limit care to people who choose to do nothing but game the system... People that arent even supposed to be here coming across the boarder to have their anchor babies.. They come here illegally and can get welfare and public assistance in times when our own citizens cant... that is where the majority of the spending is coming from. If Hospitals werent required to provide coverage to people who are in this country illegally (people who use the ER as their primary care physician) they would be able to charge less for services.. they have to make up for the loss somewhere. If we rationed their services we wouldnt have to ration services to a Senior Citizen who has most likely and most probably been a fairly productive member of our society.

And if costs were able to go down for services because of responsible rationing such as that... well then the services to Grandma might not be so expensive...

I aint saying.... Im just saying.... haha

Re: Obama Care
 

No bueno for Obamacare....

[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/31/us-usa-healthcare-ruling-idUSTRE70U6RY20110131?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews]Judge rules healthcare reform unconstitutional | Reuters[/url]