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I think he'll be resigned, with the understanding that he will compete for the job with the Skins first round pick, and maybe even get an incumbent year so the pick can make a more traditional transition to the pro game.

I wonder what Campbells record is when AHEAD by one score with 6 minutes left...

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[quote=mlmdub130;637162]don't know how accurate this is but steinburg just tweeted it about an hour ago

Jason Campbell's history, less than 6 minutes left, tied or down by one score: 44-82, 584 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, 64.3 rating, 4-12 record.[/quote]

Not sure where he got those numbers, but looking at his stats for behind, tied and ahead...he seems to be far better when the team is trying to come back from a deficit, even better when tied. Of course, this doesn't take any clock considerations in, but...

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7201/situational;_ylt=AnZmjYrM7q6S5xgnaZPtVbv.uLYF?year=career]Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Is Jason Campbell Un-clutch?[/url]

heres the whole article, it would be nice to see someone like brady's or farves numbers to know what to compare it to

i know jc probably won't win us any games but he is the best option for our qb this year and next year, hopefully he will have a chance next year behind a line

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I love some of the comments in that blog, if JC was the Vikes QB he would be 10-2... Really? so... Favre makes no impact? Or... JC is as good as Favre? 'Splain that one to me...

Oh and the Tony Romo comment is laughable... I mean no doubt Skins fans aren't going to like him for obvious reasons, and I can hang with "I have an irrational dislike of Tony Romo due to team affiliation and media overexposure" Hell so do I.

But he's a significantly better QB than Jason Campbell is. Yeah I know that's going to bring some hate, hope the haters can back it up with something besides rude smileys LOL

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[quote=44 70 chip;637730]I love some of the comments in that blog, if JC was the Vikes QB he would be 10-2... Really? so... Favre makes no impact? Or... JC is as good as Favre? 'Splain that one to me...

Oh and the Tony Romo comment is laughable... I mean no doubt Skins fans aren't going to like him for obvious reasons, and I can hang with "I have an irrational dislike of Tony Romo due to team affiliation and media overexposure" Hell so do I.

But he's a significantly better QB than Jason Campbell is. Yeah I know that's going to bring some hate, hope the haters can back it up with something besides rude smileys LOL[/quote]

Turnovers. JC is no match for Tony Turnover in giving gifts to the other team.

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Romo 57 games played 53 Int's or 0.9 per game average
Campbell 48 games 35 Int's or 0.7 per game...

Not a very significant difference (far from "no match")... Want to see a significant difference? Care to guess what Romo's willingness to take a few more chances and suffer 0.2 more INT's per game gets him?
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101 TD's versus 50 TD's... That's more than DOUBLE the touchdowns...

51 more TD's for 18 more Int's...

about 2 TD's per game average versus about 1 TD per game average

A 95.1 QB rating versus an 82.2 QB rating...

This is an UNDRAFTED free agent versus a 1st round draft pick that the skins moved up to take...

Campbell's numbers don't lie indeed! Only the ones that are telling the story aren't the ones his supporters want to concentrate on.

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You can compare Romo and JC's numbers all day but unless they played with the same team mates, coaches, system and circumstances it really doesn't amount to much.

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[quote=44 70 chip;637780]Romo 57 games played 53 Int's or 0.9 per game average
Campbell 48 games 35 Int's or 0.7 per game...

Not a very significant difference (far from "no match")... Want to see a significant difference? Care to guess what Romo's willingness to take a few more chances and suffer 0.2 more INT's per game gets him?
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101 TD's versus 50 TD's... That's more than DOUBLE the touchdowns...

51 more TD's for 18 more Int's...

about 2 TD's per game average versus about 1 TD per game average

A 95.1 QB rating versus an 82.2 QB rating...

This is an UNDRAFTED free agent versus a 1st round draft pick that the skins moved up to take...

Campbell's numbers don't lie indeed! Only the ones that are telling the story aren't the ones his supporters want to concentrate on.[/quote]Don't change the scale dude. You don't need to in order to suggest that Romo is a statistically stronger passer than Campbell. But don't give interceptions as a rate stat and then raw TDs. That's spinning the evidence for no good reason.

Campbell has a career INT% of 2.3 to 3.1 % for Romo, which is a big difference.

Campbell has a career TD% of 3.3 to 5.9 % for Romo, which is also a big difference.

But the [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm"]net difference[/URL] in [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm"]adjustment to yards per attempt[/URL] for TDs and INTs is all of 0.1 yards for the above difference.

Romo is better only because he throws for more yards more frequently and gets sacked less than Campbell. It has nothing to do with the TD/INT ratio.

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Speaking of Romo...

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4731477]It was Tony Romo's idea to become the Dallas Cowboys' new holder - ESPN Dallas[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;637799]Speaking of Romo...

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4731477]It was Tony Romo's idea to become the Dallas Cowboys' new holder - ESPN Dallas[/url][/quote]

that takes some balls, can't wait til he screws em again, hopefully it will be here

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

[quote=44 70 chip;637780]Romo 57 games played 53 Int's or 0.9 per game average
Campbell 48 games 35 Int's or 0.7 per game...

Not a very significant difference (far from "no match")... Want to see a significant difference? Care to guess what Romo's willingness to take a few more chances and suffer 0.2 more INT's per game gets him?
spoiler follows:
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101 TD's versus 50 TD's... That's more than DOUBLE the touchdowns...

51 more TD's for 18 more Int's...

about 2 TD's per game average versus about 1 TD per game average

A 95.1 QB rating versus an 82.2 QB rating...

This is an UNDRAFTED free agent versus a 1st round draft pick that the skins moved up to take...

Campbell's numbers don't lie indeed! Only the ones that are telling the story aren't the ones his supporters want to concentrate on.[/quote]

Besides other comments mentioned above, I would add that you failed to mention fumbles.

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[quote=53Fan;637791]You can compare Romo and JC's numbers all day but unless they played with the same team mates, coaches, system and circumstances it really doesn't amount to much.[/quote]

Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...

The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

[quote=44 70 chip;637835]Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...

The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...[/quote]The bottom line though is he's done a pretty good job. That, in my mind, is indisputable.

But because we're 3-9, he's at least somewhat replaceable. If we can lose with him, we can certainly lose without him. So you've got to at least shop him in the offseason, I would think.

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[quote=44 70 chip;637835]Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...

[B]The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...[/B][/quote] Drinking and posting is never a good look.

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[quote=Lotus;637812]Besides other comments mentioned above, I would add that you failed to mention fumbles.[/quote]

I guess, it's not often used to compare QB's but here goes:
Campbell 28 in 48 games = 0.58 fumbles per game
Romo 35 in 57 = 0.61

Lost:
0.25
0.28

If Romo is a "fumbler" so is Campbell...