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[quote=Redskin Rich;388675]Actually, I will disagree with you on Belichick.... He actually had the Browns in the play offs the year before.... but after I believe like 5 games, Modell announced the move... and everything fell apart.

Belichick also had alot of success before and AFTER as a coordinator... GW is hot and cold with us.[/quote]

I'm sure that Belichick has his ups and downs as a coordinator too.

GW can only be as good as his players. Other than last year he's had much more success than failure.

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[quote=Mattyk72;388681]I'm sure that Belichick has his ups and downs as a coordinator too.

GW can only be as good as his players. Other than last year he's had much more success than failure.[/quote]
Yes, Belichick has had ups and downs.... mostly ups... every success Parcells had, BB was by his side. Parcells NEVER won a play off game without BB on his staff.

GW has occasional success... with ALOT of downs. I believe the current staff should get 1 more year. If it doesn't get going by then... then it is time for something new. I think an up and comer like Grimm, or a proven winner like Cowher would do well.... Of course, I wouldn't mind seeing Marty come back either.

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I would take Marty back, but I really doubt that Snyder would.

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[quote=Mattyk72;388713]I would take Marty back, but I really doubt that Snyder would.[/quote]
You are 100% correct on that too.

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The skins need a hard nosed coach. We have had years and years of laid back coaches that assume players will take responsibility for thier own actions and are never held accountable.

"Heck, if you cant find the time in your schedule to come to redskins park for offseason practices/workouts, ill trust that you will be in peak condition and ready to go for the season."

We see how that one worked out

6 turnovers = they fought there guts out
5 of 6 losses= I'm really proud of this team
50(something)-7=they left it all on the field

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My point is it is left up to the players to motivate themselves, and apparently that just doesnt cut it. It has been the same under Norv, Spurrier, and Gibbs.

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Before anybody jumps on the I want a new coach wagon, please read this from JLC's column "Guest blog". Best common sense read I've had!!

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

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[quote=Stacks42;388723]The skins need a hard nosed coach. We have had years and years of laid back coaches that assume players will take responsibility for thier own actions and are never held accountable.

"Heck, if you cant find the time in your schedule to come to redskins park for offseason practices/workouts, ill trust that you will be in peak condition and ready to go for the season."

We see how that one worked out

6 turnovers = they fought there guts out
5 of 6 losses= I'm really proud of this team
50(something)-7=they left it all on the field[/quote]Yes, I'm sure screaming and yelling does wonders for motivating 23-35 year old men. What better way for a coach to inspire victory than to act like an immature baby in front of his team!

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[quote=GTripp0012;388745]Yes, I'm sure screaming and yelling does wonders for motivating 23-35 year old men. What better way for a coach to inspire victory than to act like an immature baby in front of his team![/quote]

I agree, I don't think a hardass works any better than a laid back kind of coach, the both have their strengths and weaknesses. Look at the Cowboys this year, it seems that Parcells leaving turned out to be a good thing for them.

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[quote=GTripp0012;388745]Yes, I'm sure [B]screaming and yelling does wonders for motivating 23-35 year old men[/B]. What better way for a coach to inspire victory than to act like an immature baby in front of his team![/quote]

Then why does the military have drill sergeants? They inspire, motivate the troops, and won't accept failure. The skins dont have motivators on the coaching staff or on the field? Where is the skins Ray Lewis?

Parcells had players follow him everywhere he went "Parcells guys". Granted gibbs took some time off, but do you think that if he went to another team anyone would follow him? No! Does anyone follow Norv, No!There is a need for a decisive leader starting at head coach, players will see that and follow that person, at this point this team mulls around with no direction. When there is a time to be decisive (end of games and quarters) there is no direction and it is directly reflected upon the team and how it carries itself. False starts, penalties, turnovers, and poor clock managment are a sign of a poorly coached team.

Some coaches (ie. Bellichek, Cohwer, Schottenheimer) have a fire inside that players see and want to follow. All i hear from the Skins players is "i dont want to let coach gibbs down" and "i feel so sorry for him".

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[quote=Stacks42;388806]Then why does the military have drill sergeants? They inspire, motivate the troops, and won't accept failure. The skins dont have motivators on the coaching staff or on the field? Where is the skins Ray Lewis?[/quote]

The military and the NFL are apples and oranges.

That tough guy stuff grows old pretty quick in the NFL and it's not long before players tune that stuff out.

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[quote=Stacks42;388806]Then why does the military have drill sergeants? They inspire, motivate the troops, and won't accept failure. The skins dont have motivators on the coaching staff or on the field? Where is the skins Ray Lewis?

Parcells had players follow him everywhere he went "Parcells guys". Granted gibbs took some time off, but do you think that if he went to another team anyone would follow him? No! Does anyone follow Norv, No!There is a need for a decisive leader starting at head coach, players will see that and follow that person, at this point this team mulls around with no direction. When there is a time to be decisive (end of games and quarters) there is no direction and it is directly reflected upon the team and how it carries itself. False starts, penalties, turnovers, and poor clock managment are a sign of a poorly coached team.

Some coaches (ie. Bellichek, Cohwer, Schottenheimer) have a fire inside that players see and want to follow. All i hear from the Skins players is "i dont want to let coach gibbs down" and "i feel so sorry for him".[/quote]
The military only uses drill sergeants in the begining of a military career. Their goal is to break down the civilian to then mold them into something different.... has nothing to do with the NFL.

But... some players respond to hard asses... and some want the "players coach".

It is just the right type of coach, with the right type of team. Last decent coach we had was Marty... took him a bit to get the team going in the right direction after Norv screwed us up... but he got it there... to bad we got rid of him for the wonderful head coach Spurrier.

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Okay how about this? Joe Gibb's teams have only won 43% of the time since he has been back, that is failing by far. Can anyone honestly say this team is getting better? The skins were on the 4 year superbowl plan, are the pieces, and leadership in place to make a run for the superbowl next year. That would assume that they re-due the O-line fix the secondary (replace springs and taylor) as well as the D-line and find some WRs in the offseason, and get on the same page, As well as fixing the myriad of coaching gaffs that have happened over the past 4 years.

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The whole cowher thing is a bad idea if you want to win over the next 3 years. It will take him 2 years to get the guys he drafts (for his system) up to speed. Compound that with the fact that it will stunt our offensive chemistry (with a young QB and shaky receiving corps) for at least a year or so til they learn a new system under cowher's guy...i'm assuming saunders wont wanna stay on unless he has control over the offense. On top of that we will be losing a lot of veterans because of an imminent cap nightmare over the next two years.

I think we are in this damned if u do damned if u don't situation with our coaching staff and players. The coaches (Cowher, GW, Saunders) are all dominant egos who want complete control. The players are either too young to change a system and pick it up quickly enuff to win immediately or too old to be able to stick around for a few years while we rebuild.

B/c of all that, GW is the best candidate IF Gibbs steps down which i think he won't. He will stick around for one more year...if we do well then he will move to FO duties and let GW take over or if we do poorly, we will look outside for his replacement.

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Just think how good the Colts could be if only Tony Dungy wasn't such a softie...