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[quote=Giantone;465513]Becuase they(the Cowboys) think that only they can,ask the Giants if they care about the Cowboys 13 pro bowl players or who [b]won[/b] the East?Anyone that doesn't believe that the East is wide open is a fool !:twocents:[/quote]
Not talking about who WON the east, I believe the thread was looking for who will WIN the East THIS YEAR.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;465656]God forbid me go out of my way to defend the Eagles, and I'm only really responding because I [B]agree[/B] with you that McNabb isn't leading anyone anywhere. I do think to say that they don't have a chance to compete because of their QB is ignoring all the talent that has developed in the last two years since I started the "Is it me, or do the Eagles have no talent" thread back in the Summer of '06.

Top to bottom, they are the deepest team in the NFC this side of Green Bay. They have the best offensive weapon in the conference, and have really, really invested heavily in both of their lines. For the first time since 2003, they go three deep with competent corners, and when they do add free agents, they make it someone like Chris Clemons, who we Redskins fans [I]know [/I]can produce at DE.

Even at the Quarterback position, they are in better position now to deal with a McNabb injury than at any point last year, with Kolb having spent his rookie year under the tutilage of Reid and Morninweg.

I think it's fallacious to act like they are McNabb's team, because they are a very good team, QB aside. If McNabb plays decent football, they probably win the East, but again, I'm not totally confident that he will play his best this year.[/QUOTE]

yeah the eagles kinda scare me for all the reasons you stated except i think mcnabb (if healthy) could really play well. he has all the motivation in the world to want to come out and let his play do some of the talkin and it seemed he was doing just that last year until he got injured and slowed down. if mcnabb goes down before the halfway mark of the season i dont think they have a chance at first in the nfc east.

either way the nfc east is stacked. again. its a blessing and curse to be in the best division in football. nice use of the word "fallacious" to gtrip.

go skins!

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;465656]God forbid me go out of my way to defend the Eagles, and I'm only really responding because I [B]agree[/B] with you that McNabb isn't leading anyone anywhere. I do think to say that they don't have a chance to compete because of their QB is ignoring all the talent that has developed in the last two years since I started the "Is it me, or do the Eagles have no talent" thread back in the Summer of '06.

Top to bottom, they are the deepest team in the NFC this side of Green Bay. They have the best offensive weapon in the conference, and have really, really invested heavily in both of their lines. For the first time since 2003, they go three deep with competent corners, and when they do add free agents, they make it someone like Chris Clemons, who we Redskins fans [I]know [/I]can produce at DE.

Even at the Quarterback position, they are in better position now to deal with a McNabb injury than at any point last year, with Kolb having spent his rookie year under the tutilage of Reid and Morninweg.

I think it's fallacious to act like they are McNabb's team, because they are a very good team, QB aside. If McNabb plays decent football, they probably win the East, but again, I'm not totally confident that he will play his best this year.[/QUOTE]

Not to take this off-topic, but Clemons isn't exactly setting the world on fire in Philly

[url=http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20081926&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=662736&rfi=6]The Times Herald - Clemons hasn't exactly stepped up[/url]

In fact, there are some rumors (don't know how serious) that the Eagles are tempted to just work out some sort of injury settlement with him and send him packing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;465763]Not to take this off-topic, but Clemons isn't exactly setting the world on fire in Philly

[URL="http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20081926&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=662736&rfi=6"]The Times Herald - Clemons hasn't exactly stepped up[/URL]

In fact, there are some rumors (don't know how serious) that the Eagles are tempted to just work out some sort of injury settlement with him and send him packing.[/quote]Which, of course, is the other side of the coin when you sign strong contributors for not a lot of cash, is that it's easy to get away from if they disappoint, and move on with the rest of the team.

I think the Clemons signing was a good one, both by Oakland last year off the scrap heap, and Philly this year, but the ability to get away from a player who was thought to make a contribution, but appears unable to do so, is a trait found in winning football teams.

Last year we had to make a similar decision (though not due to injury) with Lemar Marshall and Randall Godfrey, and simply, we likely would have missed the playoffs without Randall Godfrey. Our FO made a good call, one that probably put our defense over the top.

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11-5 skins
9-7 cowpokes
8-8 giants
7-9 igges

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[quote=sandtrapjack;465700]Not talking about who WON the east, I believe the thread was looking for who will WIN the East THIS YEAR.[/quote]

Yup ,and it was an example of why the East is wide open and the Cowboys are not a lock ................no matter how many pro bowlers are on it,like last year.:)

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WOW!!! i stirred the hornet's nest! i really didn't mean to. yes, in my OPINION getting rid of jason campbell is the difference in the redskins being a sub .500 team and a super bowl contender. for those who respectfully disagreed thank you. for those who chose the low road and attack me with words like "retarded post" or "straight jacket" this site is supposed to be "discussion for the knowledgeable fan" do the research for yourself, put it in my face with FACTS, prove me wrong in front of everyone.post it for everyone to see. i'll make it easy. show me jason campbell has more wins than loses as the REDSKINS starting quarterback prior to 9/4/08 and i'll eat all the humble pie you can serve...the challange has been laid out, any takers?

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[quote=troy;465921]WOW!!! i stirred the hornet's nest! i really didn't mean to. yes, in my OPINION getting rid of jason campbell is the difference in the redskins being a sub .500 team and a super bowl contender. for those who respectfully disagreed thank you. for those who chose the low road and attack me with words like "retarded post" or "straight jacket" this site is supposed to be "discussion for the knowledgeable fan" do the research for yourself, put it in my face with FACTS, prove me wrong in front of everyone.post it for everyone to see. i'll make it easy. show me jason campbell has more wins than loses as the REDSKINS starting quarterback prior to 9/4/08 and i'll eat all the humble pie you can serve...the challange has been laid out, any takers?[/quote]Um, yeah, we pretty much did that already.

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I think we need to be clear on what part of your post is the insane part. Implied, strongly, in your post was your opinion that Jason Campbell is not the best quarterback on the Redskins' roster. Fine, that's your opinion, and you are totally entitled to it. There's mounds and mounds of objective evidence we could bring and ask you to defend why you believe Todd Collins and/or Colt Brennan is a better QB then Jason Campbell, but you aren't the only person on this fourm who is of that opinion. I disagree, but that's my prerogative.

[U]No one is attacking you for being of that opinion.

[/U]Your post implied that the Redskins are so strong a team, that when Quarterbacked by Todd Collins (or Brennan), they are a 12 win team. 12 wins. As you said, a super bowl contender. Again, that's your opinion of this team, and no one is calling you out on that.

But then you said that they are a 6-10 team with Jason Campbell. And if you were basing your 12-4 prediction off talent, and not some total cosmic fluke, then you are [B]100% factually inaccurate[/B] in your assessment of the effect that one player can have on a team. It, very literally, is not possible for one player to take a SUPER BOWL CONTENDER, and tank them to the point of 6-10.

Maybe you really think the Redskins are somewhere in the middle talent-wise (say, 9 wins), and that if they make a QB change, they could be a little bit better. I would respect that opinion/argument. But you said the Redskins were a 12 win team (which is three more than last year, if you are counting), and that with Jason Campbell, they are all of a sudden a totally talentless team. None of this even considers that maybe, just maybe (as jdlea pointed out), that Todd Collins and Colt Brennan would be among the worst starting QBs in the league if they had to play a full season, and yet...you would still expect the Redskins to go 12-4 without a passing game.

If you were expecting for people not to call BS on that, you clearly don't lurk here often enough.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;465922]Um, yeah, we pretty much did that already.

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I think we need to be clear on what part of your post is the insane part. Implied, strongly, in your post was your opinion that Jason Campbell is not the best quarterback on the Redskins' roster. Fine, that's your opinion, and you are totally entitled to it. There's mounds and mounds of objective evidence we could bring and ask you to defend why you believe Todd Collins and/or Colt Brennan is a better QB then Jason Campbell, but you aren't the only person on this fourm who is of that opinion. I disagree, but that's my prerogative.

[U]No one is attacking you for being of that opinion.

[/U]Your post implied that the Redskins are so strong a team, that when Quarterbacked by Todd Collins (or Brennan), they are a 12 win team. 12 wins. As you said, a super bowl contender. Again, that's your opinion of this team, and no one is calling you out on that.

But then you said that they are a 6-10 team with Jason Campbell. And if you were basing your 12-4 prediction off talent, and not some total cosmic fluke, then you are [B]100% factually inaccurate[/B] in your assessment of the effect that one player can have on a team. It, very literally, is not possible for one player to take a SUPER BOWL CONTENDER, and tank them to the point of 6-10.

Maybe you really think the Redskins are somewhere in the middle talent-wise (say, 9 wins), and that if they make a QB change, they could be a little bit better. I would respect that opinion/argument. But you said the Redskins were a 12 win team (which is three more than last year, if you are counting), and that with Jason Campbell, they are all of a sudden a totally talentless team. None of this even considers that maybe, just maybe (as jdlea pointed out), that Todd Collins and Colt Brennan would be among the worst starting QBs in the league if they had to play a full season, and yet...you would still expect the Redskins to go 12-4 without a passing game.

If you were expecting for people not to call BS on that, you clearly don't lurk here often enough.[/QUOTE]

Great response. The defense rests, your Honor.

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[quote=Giantone;465840]Yup ,and it was an example of why the East is wide open and the Cowboys are not a lock ................no matter how many pro bowlers are on it,like last year.:)[/quote]
Concur no one is a "lock" in any division or wither conference. Call me kooky, but that is why they play 16 games.

Regardless, even your picks have Dallas winning the division.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;465945]Concur no one is a "lock" in any division or wither conference. Call me kooky, but that is why they play 16 games.

Regardless, even your picks have Dallas winning the division.[/quote]

Yup ,I go with what should be ,put as we all know the NFL is always full of surprises.Injuries and such .............one never knows for sure.

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[QUOTE=Angry;464403]Redskins 13-3
Cowboys 13-3
Eagles 13-3
Giants 13-3

After this season the NFC East will have to go to a BCS system of ranking teams.[/QUOTE]

then it will become strength of schedule to determine the tiebreaker,:)
my picks for the nfc east.

cowboys-12-4
redskins-9-7 (maybe looking a bit better ,crossing fingers)wildcard playoff birth.
eagles-9-7 (skins win tiebreaker with better division record)
giants -7-9 and miss playoffs with key injuries at key positions.

should be the typical head banging matchups as always in this division..
we split with the boys and sweep the giants and split with the eagles..

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[QUOTE=troy;465921]WOW!!! i stirred the hornet's nest! i really didn't mean to. yes, in my OPINION getting rid of jason campbell is the difference in the redskins being a sub .500 team and a super bowl contender. for those who respectfully disagreed thank you. for those who chose the low road and attack me with words like "retarded post" or "straight jacket" this site is supposed to be "discussion for the knowledgeable fan" do the research for yourself, put it in my face with FACTS, prove me wrong in front of everyone.post it for everyone to see. i'll make it easy. show me jason campbell has more wins than loses as the REDSKINS starting quarterback prior to 9/4/08 and i'll eat all the humble pie you can serve...the challange has been laid out, any takers?[/QUOTE]

First, I need to say, you need to read GTripp's post. It was a great response.

Second, it is not us that needs to prove anything to you. You are the one that spewed a bunch of BS and did [b]NOTHING[/b] to back it up. We have made a few comments to counteract you (see gtripps post), but you have done nothing to prove to us that you are correct.

You mention the win/loss record. Well, in case you haven't noticed, Collins is 10-10 in his [b]10 year CAREER[/b]. Campbell is 8-12. That's only a 2 game difference at best over the course of a season assuming you are going 100% by the numbers. So that 6 game swing is a bit overzealous by the numbers.
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CollTo00.htm]Todd Collins Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm]Jason Campbell Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

As several of us have mentioned, Collins is without his god Saunders...this is Collins first season away from him in a long long time. He's starting from scratch at an old age.
ps- weeks 1-4, Campbell went 3-1.
weeks 15-18, Collins went 3-1.

Also, Collins was 8-25 vs the Giants in a WIN. He had 166 yards passing and 0 tds while the team ran for 153 yards and 2 tds. Obviously, the win was not his, it was due to our rushing and defense.
In the playoff loss to Seattle, a lot of people here blamed Suisham...while it did start the decline, we seem to forget that Collins threw 2 key interceptions when it mattered most. This means that Collins is winless in the playoffs.
Keep in mind, he did win a meaningless game vs Dallas (meaningless to them anyway). But even in that game, we had 131 yards and 2 tds rushing. While Collins threw only 1 td.
So it appears that Collins only lead us to 1 solid win.
You probably shouldn't look so hard into those 3 wins.

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[quote=jsarno;466027]First, I need to say, you need to read GTripp's post. It was a great response.

Second, it is not us that needs to prove anything to you. You are the one that spewed a bunch of BS and did [B]NOTHING[/B] to back it up. We have made a few comments to counteract you (see gtripps post), but you have done nothing to prove to us that you are correct.

You mention the win/loss record. Well, in case you haven't noticed, Collins is 10-10 in his [B]10 year CAREER[/B]. Campbell is 8-12. That's only a 2 game difference at best over the course of a season assuming you are going 100% by the numbers. So that 6 game swing is a bit overzealous by the numbers.
[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CollTo00.htm"]Todd Collins Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]
[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm"]Jason Campbell Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

As several of us have mentioned, Collins is without his god Saunders...this is Collins first season away from him in a long long time. He's starting from scratch at an old age.
ps- weeks 1-4, Campbell went 3-1.
weeks 15-18, Collins went 3-1.

Also, Collins was 8-25 vs the Giants in a WIN. He had 166 yards passing and 0 tds while the team ran for 153 yards and 2 tds. Obviously, the win was not his, it was due to our rushing and defense.
In the playoff loss to Seattle, a lot of people here blamed Suisham...while it did start the decline, we seem to forget that Collins threw 2 key interceptions when it mattered most. This means that Collins is winless in the playoffs.
Keep in mind, he did win a meaningless game vs Dallas (meaningless to them anyway). But even in that game, we had 131 yards and 2 tds rushing. While Collins threw only 1 td.
So it appears that Collins only lead us to 1 solid win.
You probably shouldn't look so hard into those 3 wins.[/quote]

I was going to respond but you covered it, thanks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;465922]Um, yeah, we pretty much did that already.

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I think we need to be clear on what part of your post is the insane part. Implied, strongly, in your post was your opinion that Jason Campbell is not the best quarterback on the Redskins' roster. Fine, that's your opinion, and you are totally entitled to it. There's mounds and mounds of objective evidence we could bring and ask you to defend why you believe Todd Collins and/or Colt Brennan is a better QB then Jason Campbell, but you aren't the only person on this fourm who is of that opinion. I disagree, but that's my prerogative.

[U]No one is attacking you for being of that opinion.[/U]

Your post implied that the Redskins are so strong a team, that when Quarterbacked by Todd Collins (or Brennan), they are a 12 win team. 12 wins. As you said, a super bowl contender. Again, that's your opinion of this team, and no one is calling you out on that.

But then you said that they are a 6-10 team with Jason Campbell. And if you were basing your 12-4 prediction off talent, and not some total cosmic fluke, then you are [B]100% factually inaccurate[/B] in your assessment of the effect that one player can have on a team. It, very literally, is not possible for one player to take a SUPER BOWL CONTENDER, and tank them to the point of 6-10.

Maybe you really think the Redskins are somewhere in the middle talent-wise (say, 9 wins), and that if they make a QB change, they could be a little bit better. I would respect that opinion/argument. But you said the Redskins were a 12 win team (which is three more than last year, if you are counting), and that with Jason Campbell, they are all of a sudden a totally talentless team. None of this even considers that maybe, just maybe (as jdlea pointed out), that Todd Collins and Colt Brennan would be among the worst starting QBs in the league if they had to play a full season, and yet...you would still expect the Redskins to go 12-4 without a passing game.

If you were expecting for people not to call BS on that, you clearly don't lurk here often enough.[/quote]

well stated