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[quote=HogHeaven;472824]All the more reason to know the offense and get rid of the ball. The first play of the damn game should've been an incomplete pass out of bounds. Chuck it, don't hold it for a sack.[/quote]That was 100% on Campbell, but if we are going to note that, we should point out that the pass rushing demons on the DL did not sack Campbell the rest of the game, which shows that JC improved, because the pass blocking did struggle all night.

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New poster here, just stumbled on a link to this forum. If you give up on JC now, you might as well cut him. Holding the ball too long, POOR clock management, etc, etc. It's going to take more than one game for me to put him on the bench. Bring in Colt? There goes the season.

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[quote=GTripp0012;472828]That was 100% on Campbell, but if we are going to note that, we should point out that the pass rushing demons on the DL did not sack Campbell the rest of the game, which shows that JC improved, because the pass blocking did struggle all night.[/quote]

Agreed, the game was just a forgettable one, I HOPE. Wash it and move on. Saints next, no rest for the secondary. At least we've got them at home.

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Show me a QB who didn't suck at first in the WCO. Brett Favre was a turnover machine at first. I don't expect Campbell to look smooth in the offense until next season. He has to trust that his 2nd and 3rd reads will be there, which was the problem on the first play. For him to become a great QB, we have to be willing to suffer through Campbell's growing pains.

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I dont give up on jason..not yet...i love colt...but i think the flaws are coaching ones right now.

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[quote=HogHeaven;472824]All the more reason to know the offense and get rid of the ball. The first play of the damn game should've been an incomplete pass out of bounds. Chuck it, don't hold it for a sack.[/quote]

I could be wrong but I think JC was inside the tackle box on that play so he couldn't have thrown it away without getting a penalty.

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[quote=Mattyk72;472838]I could be wrong but I think JC was inside the tackle box on that play so he couldn't have thrown it away without getting a penalty.[/quote]

Yep and as he and Zorn said after the game, that sack was 100% on him, he rolled into it when he should have stayed in the pocket.

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[quote=Paintrain;472791]One more thought on Campbell, for his first 4 years he was taught by Gibbs to be cautious, cautious, cautious and don't take chances to turn the ball over. What we've heard from Zorn is that JC has to trust himself and cut the ball loose. He's got to overcome 4 years of one way of thinking in 6 months. It's going to take time to not only get comfortable in the WCO but also take time trusting himself to take the chances that he was coached against taking before.

After the 4th down checkdown to Betts at the end of the game, you can see Zorn telling him 'I don't care, you have to throw it.' On the replay you can see that he was trying to get it to Randle-El who was somewhat covered but was beyond the first down sticks. Basically he's got to give his WR a chance to make a play in that situation, but his 'instincts' have been taught for him not to throw that ball. One thing about WCO QB, they have good stats, but also can have some high INT numbers. He's got to get over the fear of the turnover with the expectation that more good will come than harm.[/quote]

Very well said.

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I thought Campbell improved (realized he had nowhere to go but up really) quite a bit in the second half. We would singing a different tune I think if the WRs had converted some of those 3rd down completions.

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I gave up on Campbell being an elite QB during the Bears game last year. He just doesn't have what it takes. The transformation in the offence when Collins came in confirmed that.

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collins ONLY played well because saunders called the plays....and it was a system collins has been in since wwii....if you stuck collins in this system we wouldnt have even posted a td...so all you collins lovers and campbell haters get it out of your system and face the fact that an aging collins would not come in and lead this team to the superbowl..neither would colt.
What dissapoints me about jason..is that we have had since feb to learn and nurture him. It was apparent to see everyones frustration....did you see portis telling zonr what he was doing wasnt working n the sideline? That to me shows that these players are like...umm ok..this is lame...not working

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472579]Between politics and Brunell banter, I think I'm gonna lose my mind.

Where's Ramsey when you need him? (Fight fire with fire right? :))[/quote]

Seriously, what the fuck has this board become? This thread didn't start terribly, however, it somehow turns into Jason Campbell being called a bitch and people assigning political affiliations who are actually making decent points. STFU with your reactionary threads! This is quite possibly the worst thread I've ever seen on this site and it's got nothing to do with the idea behind the thread, just the manner in which it's being discussed.

A little advice to Matty: Just take knowledgeable out of the banner and make it a political site since that's the only thing you all talk about here anymore anyway.

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[quote=Beemnseven;472515]Here's the question you have to ask:

Are Campbell's problems related to learning a new offense, or is he [B]regressing in key facets of game play[/B] that would show up in any offensive scheme? According to the sideline reporter from NBC tonight (can't think of her name), Zorn said Campbell "has to read the defense." This is Campbell's fourth season in the league and Zorn has to remind him to do that?

It doesn't help that the same group of offensive linemen from last season apparently have all forgotten how to pass block.[/quote]

Thats what really has me scratching my head. Since his first year he still doesnt know how to read a defense, not stare down his primary receiver, still cant check down to any other receiver and generally doesnt make quick decisions getting guys the ball in stride the second they are open. Its alot to ask but a quality starting NFL quarterback needs to have this down pat.

Now throw in the WCO where a qb needs to read a D and make quick decisions and we are forcing a round peg into a square hole. I still want JC to excel and he has this year and next to step it up when his contract runs out.

go skins!!!

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Zorn is to blame for this game followed by the offensive line. What a pathetic display. I didn't like JC's play but then again when the play calling is shit you produce shit.

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seriously...lets give campbell a game where he has time and the run/pass ratio gives him a chance to win the game and play like hes capable before we all decide to burn him to a cross and send him to be romos backup. He is only doing what his coach told him to do.
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