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[quote=Mechanix544;685479]Definitely not Flozell at LT, i can see RT, but not LT. Here is one possibility. Trade down with san fran for both of their 1st rounders for our 1st and 4th rounder, then, we use the 13th pick for Bulaga or Anthony Davis of Rutgers, or the USC LT Brown, and trade the 17 for marshall, strait up.

Could that work? If Suh drops, or Okung is there, would San Fran be interested in either of those guys? That would be a daggon good draft for us. Then, if we can scratch out a 2nd or 3rd for Campbell and some others, and go G or BPA, this could be one of the best offseasons ever for the skins.

I just keep envisioning this tho.

Carter Haynesworth Suh Orakpo

Best D Line in NFL History right off the bat. Ridiculous.[/quote]

Best D line in history?! It would be pretty damn good but what about the Fearsome Foursome or Purple People Eaters? And those are just two off the top of my head.

Couldn't you argue that the Manley, Butz, and Mann lines were right up there with that group?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;685483]I could care less about him being a former cowboy. He is a liability with penalties and we need to seriously address the o-line and stop trying to put a patchwork together.[/quote]


I don't know how they can fix the line this year without some FA patchwork. We only have 4 picks at the moment and it would be fairly presumptuous to assume we are going to find a starter with a 4th rounder or later.

Okung better be able to start if we take him 4th.

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To Schneed10 & MattyK, I understand that it's business & I know w/McNabb in at QB we have a former rival as our leader. I'm not a fan of that move btw, and I'm definitely not for signing Adams.

The guys that make these decisions are of course paid to put a winner on the field & they must be objective to the greatest extent they can be. But I'm just a fan & I grew up watching my team's players get old in the same uniform. Times have changed, I accept that, but it doesn't mean I have to like the idea of a dude like Flozell, a true cowboy, playing here.

From a more objective stance; Flozell's best days are behind him. I think he was one tough LT for a long time, probably still is. But his decline might be pretty sharp this year. The fact that he was a life long cowboy will make us all the more furious if he comes here, false starts in crucial situations & gets beat regularly. I know I hated having my team coached by Norvelle w/Alvin Harper & J. washington (only good for his name) on the field. Not to mention Deion, although he played well here, just wasn't a game breaker any more.

Even go back to calvin hill, we never get ex cowboys that pan out in b&g. If Flozell comes here, we'll all still hate him in the end.

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[quote=freddyg12;685493]To Schneed10 & MattyK, I understand that it's business & I know w/McNabb in at [B]QB we have a former rival as our leader.[/B] I'm not a fan of that move btw, and I'm definitely not for signing Adams.

[/quote]

Which reminds me, if you can't beat them, join em.

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Anotther over the hill lineman. ... Nah..... thnx

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[quote=internetcareer;685386]So all the cowboys are terrible. They only make pro bowls because everybody is a cowboy fan. And of course we lose all our games because the refs are against us.[/quote]
Well that's a wonderful case that you've made, congratulations. Perhaps you'd like to back up why Flozell Adams is good? I'll throw Roy in for free.

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Like it or not.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/07/redskins-show-interest-in-adams/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Redskins show interest in Adams «[/url]

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^ thats the same report that this whole thread is feeding off of.
Nothing new.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;685563]Like it or not.

[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/07/redskins-show-interest-in-adams/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Redskins show interest in Adams «[/URL][/quote]
you serious bro? haha

Re: Flozell Adams at right tackle?
 

[quote=Mattyk;684885]I wouldn't be against it. And no I don't care about him being an ex-Cowboy. If he can be a short term solution at RT I say go for it.

[url=http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/04/could-the-redskins-snag-anothe.html]Could the Redskins snag another former NFC East rival in Flozell Adams? | Dallas Cowboys Blog | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | The Dallas Morning News[/url][/quote]

I don't mind bringing in Flozell for [B][I][U]dirt[/U][/I][/B] cheap.

This is gonna be unpopular although the stats bear this out Edit: ([url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2008&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/url]) Heyer [B][I][U][COLOR="Olive"]44th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B] Adams [B][I][U][COLOR="DarkRed"]69th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]....a healthy Stephon Heyer in 2008 played near the same level if not better then Flozell.
And Stephon is 2 years [I][B]better[/B][/I] and Flozell is 2 years older.

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What stats bear that out?

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[quote=30gut;685710]I don't mind bringing in Flozell for [B][I][U]dirt[/U][/I][/B] cheap.

This is gonna be unpopular although the stats bear this out Edit: ([URL="http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2008&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1"]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/URL]) Heyer [B][I][U][COLOR=olive]44th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B] Adams [B][I][U][COLOR=darkred]69th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]....a healthy Stephon Heyer in 2008 played near the same level if not better then Flozell.
And Stephon is 2 years [I][B]better[/B][/I] and Flozell is 2 years older.[/quote]


Heyer is 2 years better? Define better, Heyer may have been the weakest link on the worst line in the league last year. Heyer is a turnstile, is always hurt and cannot figure out the snap count.

Flozell definitely has issues but I don't care what resource you are looking at, if they have concluded that Heyer is better than Adams they need to change careers.

Re: Flozell Adams at right tackle?
 

[quote=30gut;685710]I don't mind bringing in Flozell for [B][I][U]dirt[/U][/I][/B] cheap.

This is gonna be unpopular although the stats bear this out Edit: ([url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2008&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/url]) Heyer [B][I][U][COLOR="Olive"]44th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B] Adams [B][I][U][COLOR="DarkRed"]69th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]....a healthy Stephon Heyer in 2008 played near the same level if not better then Flozell.
And Stephon is 2 years [I][B]better[/B][/I] and Flozell is 2 years older.[/quote]

All I took from that is that Gaither is 11th.

[SIZE="1"]Gaither is 11th. [/SIZE]

If we are arguing for a LT, I'd prefer to get someone who was in the top 32 but I don't know any available.

[SIZE="1"]Gaither is 11th[/SIZE]

Wonder if any RFAs might be available for Cooley and Landry or some other player for player trade.

[SIZE="1"]Gaither is 11th[/SIZE]

Still prefer to get Okung/Williams and then see who gets cut once these 6+ stud rookie OL coming in. A lot of OL will be available after the draft, we just need to get a stud for the LT at #4.

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1 LT (11), RT (0) Kwame Harris OAK -16.0
2 LT (16), RT (0) Flozell Adams DAL -13.5
3 LT (0), RT (16) Willie Colon PIT -12.5

Penalty yards rating (not sure if it's averaged of snaps or games or how it is achieved.)

Re: Flozell Adams at right tackle?
 

[quote=30gut;685710]I don't mind bringing in Flozell for [B][I][U]dirt[/U][/I][/B] cheap.

This is gonna be unpopular although the stats bear this out Edit: ([URL="http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2008&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1"]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/URL]) Heyer [B][I][U][COLOR=olive]44th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B] Adams [B][I][U][COLOR=darkred]69th[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]....a healthy Stephon Heyer in 2008 played near the same level if not better then Flozell.
And Stephon is 2 years [I][B]better[/B][/I] and Flozell is 2 years older.[/quote]


Why would we focus on 2008 stats? 2009 stats seem to be more relevant to me.

Makes me wonder if having Randy Thomas and Kendall next to Heyer skewed things positively. Without veterans next to him, Heyer was garbage.