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[quote=Giantone;1194419][url]https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/redskin[/url][/quote]

Per your cite: "The term originally had a neutral meaning and was used by North American Indians themselves, but it eventually acquired an unfavourable connotation."

If the natives used it to describe themselves, even today it is used by Native Americans as a team mascot, and there has been no poll (that I have seen) showing that a majority of Native Americans consider it a pejorative, then how did it "eventually acquir[e] an unfavorable connotation" except by those not of the group at issue?

Re: Breaking News on team name
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1194425]Per your cite: "The term originally had a neutral meaning and was used by North American Indians themselves, but it eventually acquired an unfavourable connotation."

If the natives used it to describe themselves, even today it is used by Native Americans as a team mascot, and there has been no poll (that I have seen) showing that a majority of Native Americans consider it a pejorative, then how did it "eventually acquir[e] an unfavorable connotation" except by those not of the group at issue?[/quote]

Highly liberal special interest groups looking for ways to make money off of lawsuits.

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[quote=Giantone;1194419][url]https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/redskin[/url][/quote]

[url]https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/fake-news[/url]

Re: Breaking News on team name
 

Think you need to check that definition of fake news, because it doesn't apply to a dictionary definition of a word

Re: Breaking News on team name
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1194425]Per your cite: "The term originally had a neutral meaning and was used by North American Indians themselves, but it eventually acquired an unfavourable connotation."

If the natives used it to describe themselves, even today it is used by Native Americans as a team mascot, and there has been no poll (that I have seen) showing that a majority of Native Americans consider it a pejorative, then how did it "eventually acquir[e] an unfavorable connotation" except by those not of the group at issue?[/quote]

At this point, I am just a bit done with even dealing with it. There are hundreds of acceptable ways to name the team while keeping a native american tradition alive. It's stupid to see certain sports news outlets referring to us as the "Washington Football team", and yes, it's giving in to PC/social crybabies, but it's a team name, not the Washington Monument, or other national memorials.

Just change the name a little, get the land by Oxon Hill farm, build a new stadium and bring home a Superbowl. Is that so hard?

Re: Breaking News on team name
 

[quote=MTK;1194429]Think you need to check that definition of fake news, because it doesn't apply to a dictionary definition of a word[/quote]

[url]https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/post-truth[/url]

"relating to circumstances in which people respond more to feelings and beliefs than to facts"

this might work as well.

Re: Breaking News on team name
 

Can we at least agree on a couple of things?

1) The term is clearly outdated, a new pro sports team today simply wouldn't take on that name.

2) Nothing wrong with having a healthy debate of what's appropriate vs what's not. Words often change meaning over time. To just stick your head in the sand and refuse to believe there's nothing at all offensive about it, is pretty short sighted.

And to those that think its absolutely offensive, why is there not more of an uproar about it from those who's opinions really matter in all this... Native Americans themselves? If 9 out of 10 are ok with it, can't we move on to more important things?

If only there was some middle ground instead of both sides dismissing the other.

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[quote]
[B]Giantone's[/B] [B]Post[/B]
[url]https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/redskin[/url]

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Chico:
[url]https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...lish/fake-news[/url]
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add this to list

[url]https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/douchebag[/url]

Re: Breaking News on team name
 

[quote=MTK;1194433]Can we at least agree on a couple of things?

1) The term is clearly outdated, a new pro sports team today simply wouldn't take on that name.

2) Nothing wrong with having a healthy debate of what's appropriate vs what's not. Words often change meaning over time. To just stick your head in the sand and refuse to believe there's nothing at all offensive about it, is pretty short sighted.

And to those that think its absolutely offensive, why is there not more of an uproar about it from those who's opinions really matter in all this... Native Americans themselves? If 9 out of 10 are ok with it, can't we move on to more important things?

If only there was some middle ground instead of both sides dismissing the other.[/quote]


1) Packers, 49ers, etc. Yes many outdated terms that have now become a strong brand.
2) The word Redskins exclusive refers the football team. When has it meant something else? Are people out in these streets using the term another way?

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[quote=Chico23231;1194435]1) Packers, 49ers, etc. Yes many outdated terms that have now become a strong brand.
2) The word Redskins exclusive refers the football team. When has it meant something else? Are people out in these streets using the term another way?[/quote]

whattup my Redskin?

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[quote=Meks;1194436]whattup my Redskin?[/quote]

Im sunburnt a lil...and now im offended. :D

Re: Breaking News on team name
 

[quote=Chico23231;1194435]1) Packers, 49ers, etc. Yes many outdated terms that have now become a strong brand.
2) The word Redskins exclusive refers the football team. When has it meant something else? Are people out in these streets using the term another way?[/quote]

It's only an issue because people today bitch about every little thing..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194438]It's only an issue because people today bitch about every little thing..[/quote]

"I think it's a time in our culture where people love to pretend they're offended," Matt Groening

nailed it.

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And every single person is a Slim Shady lurkin', he could be workin' at Burger King spittin' on your onion rings. Or in the parking lot circling, screaming I don't give a fuck with his windows down and his system up.

Because I don't give a fuck about the name issue. So put one of those fingers on each hand up.

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but, who gives a f***

If the Skins became the Warriors, or and went with the Arrow helmet, would it end up affecting you in any way?

Just change it and be done.

It is also true that in this day and age, NO OTHER ethnic group would go for a team named after their skin color, regardless of the origin of the word.