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The results will tell the story but this is not what i hoped for. It seems more like Rons fiefdom than creating a sustainable front office. If it works BEST THING EVER

but my spidey sense is tingling a bit.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1274976]Given that they were both hired at the same time and both report to Ron, I think they all know going into this exactly who is responsible for doing what. Hurney is 65 years old and likely wants to "stay in the game" without necessarily having a 60-80hr/week job that dominates his life.

As awkward as the arrangement seems, I think it can work fine as long as Hurney "stays in his lane" (whatever that lane is).

Some have said this is too many cooks in the kitchen, but given that Kyle Smith is reportedly not part of the go-forward plan, this is really just a net addition of one person. And given Ron was stretched very thin last year, we definitely needed to add atleast one person.[/quote]

Agree on the number of hands. But the rationalization over the structure seems like... well, rationalization.

It's not a smart organizational structure. Organizational structure exists because human nature is what it is. Mayhew and Hurney will no doubt start out with the best of intentions but if they begin to disagree, or the stress begins to accumulate, I don't like the setup.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1274976]Given that they were both hired at the same time and both report to Ron, I think they all know going into this exactly who is responsible for doing what. Hurney is 65 years old and likely wants to "stay in the game" without necessarily having a 60-80hr/week job that dominates his life.

As awkward as the arrangement seems, I think it can work fine as long as Hurney "stays in his lane" (whatever that lane is).

Some have said this is too many cooks in the kitchen, but given that Kyle Smith is reportedly not part of the go-forward plan, this is really just a net addition of one person. And given Ron was stretched very thin last year, we definitely needed to add atleast one person.[/quote]

Looks like there may be one less cook in the kitchen soon. Kyle isn’t long for the WFT.

“Update from @Russellmania621: #Rams, #49ers, #Packers, #Raiders have all shown interest in Kyle Smith.

Regarding San Francisco (which would be a lateral move): "I've heard Washington would not stand in their way."

Re: Marty Hurney Thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1274981]Agree on the number of hands. But the rationalization over the structure seems like... well, rationalization.

It's not a smart organizational structure. Organizational structure exists because human nature is what it is. Mayhew and Hurney will no doubt start out with the best of intentions but if they begin to disagree, or the stress begins to accumulate, I don't like the setup.[/quote]

Fucking stupid to let your best talent evaluator be replaced for mediocre ones. All Ron had to is bring in either Hurney or Mayhew and teach Smith, but no, instead we let talent walk out the door.

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This is a steaming pile of dogshit. Where does this team get off reinventing the wheel? Where in recent history has this team demonstrated they should think outside of the box? Learn how to operate in the box 1st.

This franchise can't handle simple arithmetic but have jumped straight to advanced calculus.

Rivera being in charge the 1st year was likely needed, but there has been more than enough time to get a tried and true system in place.

Is Hurney taking a Bruce Allen type position? Gonna lose Kyle Smith to bring in Hurney. Don't like that trade.

Would much rather have:

GM: Mayhew
Assistant GM: Smith
HC: Rivera

Even if Mayhew still reported to Rivera, this would be preferred.

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I guess since it's the offseason for us there's not much else to get fired up about, but I really don't get being upset about what's going on. Adding competent football people to the org is a bad thing? Ron doesn't know what he's doing apparently? Ok.

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[quote=MTK;1274994]I guess since it's the offseason for us there's not much else to get fired up about, but I really don't get being upset about what's going on. Adding competent football people to the org is a bad thing? Ron doesn't know what he's doing apparently? Ok.[/quote]

You can love the coach and still question certain decisions. I'm just not a fan or the HC being the de-facto GM in general. I'm old school I guess.

I like the Mayhew hire.

To me this is basically trading out Smith for Hurney. I'd rather have a young accomplished talent evaluator than an old retread. Mayhew could handle things Hurney will do, or hire guy(s) under him to handle the smaller duties outside of scouting, which Smith could lead.

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[quote=MTK;1274994]I guess since it's the offseason for us there's not much else to get fired up about, but I really don't get being upset about what's going on. Adding competent football people to the org is a bad thing? Ron doesn't know what he's doing apparently? Ok.[/quote]

Yeah I don't want to get it twisted, overall what happened here is still a good thing.

1) Ron is still in charge and I like him having full control, beats Bruce Allen any day, and Ron has demonstrated that he will do things Snyder may not love (cut Haskins)

2) He's hiring experienced football people to take stuff off his plate and help him with strategy and day to day

Overall this is good. I don't like the structure, I think it could result in some problems. But overall, the problems that may come from that sure beat the problems that could come with continuing to go along with just Ron and Kyle and calling that an adequate front office.

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[quote=Schneed10;1274975]Just saw it and you're right. Chief I owe you an apology, WFT really is dumb enough to structure it this way.

It's a bad idea, I think Ron's inviting trouble. Mayhew and Hurney need to be adults who don't stab each other in the back or Ron won't be well supported. Maybe they are, but a better structure would mitigate it.[/quote]

It's all good man. It's all a bit unconventional I suppose, but I think the most important takeaway here is there are three very competent football minds, who are all on the same page, with the same vision for the future of the team, with one goal in mind, and one man in charge - RR.

Five years from now we can all judge how great or stupid these decisions were, but not today.

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I'd much rather be wrong and look stupid in a few years than be right and starting over again. I'll start slow roasting that crow now.

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Keep in mind,

Hurney brought Newton to Carolina

Mayhew brought Stafford to Detroit.

That's probably a good sign that they understand about the importance of the qb position.

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Stafford Stafford Stafford!!

Stafford drops back, he surveys the field, he fires long, McLaurin has step, he has it, 70 yard TD for McLaurin.

This could be a legit thing for 4+ years (this is based on Stafford, I think he has at least 4 good years left). Extending McLaurin day 1 he can be extended, for the whole cookie jar isn't even a question. Get him a stud QB and let him eat.

A Stafford/McLaurin/Thomas/McKissic and Gibson offense is looking real nice. Not even including adding a weapon from Curtis Samuel on up.

If I'm over selling Stafford others are under selling him. If Detroit didn't have him they'd be a 4 or less win team annually.

Marty Hurney Thread
 

Stafford is the bomb, but will they trade for him? It’s going to take a RG3 monster-type trade to get him out of Detroit. Giving up two-three first round draft picks and a very good player like Allen of Payne is a huge price for Stafford. Worth it? I think so. But that’s the MINIMUM it will take to get him.

Except for the Cooper attempt, the WFT did not really go for any major players in FA. They went for medium players on 1-year cheap contracts. Some worked out and some did not. It was an OUTSTANDIBG strategy. Now they have to bid and go for the ones who worked out, like Thomas. I even think it’s POSSIBLE that Rivera just bid up Cooper, just so Dallas would overpay for him. It worked.


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I refuse to believe it will take two-three first round draft picks and a very good player like Allen of Payne to get Stafford. If that is the case, it's a hard pass for me.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275076]I refuse to believe it will take two-three first round draft picks and a very good player like Allen of Payne to get Stafford. If that is the case, it's a hard pass for me.[/quote]

As much as I'd love to have him, definitely agree. Our 1st and one of our 3rds would be the max imo. Hopefully you can hold out where it would only take the 1st. Then build out the roster with all the other picks.