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[quote=Ruhskins;541534]Huh?[/quote]

Bill Lazor

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[quote=Skinny Tee;541535]I'm starting to think that Dan Snyder is a longtime business partner of Jerry Jones and has been sabotaging the Skins from the inside since he was assigned owner of the Redskins.

Other than that I can't come up with any other reasons why we do the most obnoxiously dense moves with our front office.[/quote]

Well we haven't actually done anything here in this case, so no need to panic

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Jason Reid on Comcast just said the Broncos like Campbell and they want to move cutler out of the AFC...for what its worth.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;540977]wow so he's a punk because he was upset of being traded!! This guy is a superstar in the making and i would take him anyday over campbell![/quote]

John Elway was a crybaby too and threatened to play baseball if he didn't get drafted by the right team. Same stunt Eli pulled. Cutler's a baller. He was one of 3 QBs to throw for 4500 yards and more than 25 TDs last year and the Broncos wanted to trade him for Tom Brady's backup. Hell yeah he's pissed.

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Why is this reminding of the whole fiasco with Gregg Williams' interview...

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-%27I-didn%27t-want-to-get-traded%27]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Cutler speaks: 'I didn't want to get traded'[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;541510]McDaniels has the opportunity to pull the Herschel Walker trade and get a ton of picks from the Jets, Browns, and/or the Bucs. Yet he's going to send Cutler to Washington for lesser compensation (lesser to the Broncos compared with what they could get from these other teams; yet this compensation will be a big price to pay for Washington), just so he is out of the AFC.[/quote]

Da Bears, in the NFC, could get him, too, although only if the Broncos did not demand a good qb in return.

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I don't know if any of you follow hockey, but this reminds me of when Patrick Roy was traded from Montreal to Colorado. Sure worked out for the Avalanche.

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[quote=44Deezel;541555]John Elway was a crybaby too and threatened to play baseball if he didn't get drafted by the right team. Same stunt Eli pulled. Cutler's a baller. He was one of 3 QBs to throw for 4500 yards and more than 25 TDs last year and the Broncos wanted to trade him for Tom Brady's backup. Hell yeah he's pissed.[/quote]
Exactly, I would feel the same way if I went too work tomorrow and found out they tried to send me two thousand miles away. Also, every Campbell supporter takes it so personally that some fans want Cutler. Hey Campbell is a stand up guy, great in every intangible, but he just cant get the ball to his receivers and thats probably not going to change.

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Why aren't the Vikings bending over backwards to get Cutler?

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Imagine if we had a GM with Balls.
He'd tell Snyder to stop smoking crack and making PR mistakes that cause retention and coaching problems with all this garbage....who is Cutler's agent?
Is Snyder trying to get the guy a big payoff or something?
It is something he has be accused of before.

It doesn't matter what happens in this deal...it is just like Cincy last year and Williams the year before...all post Gibbs...Its not just the FA and drafts that measure a quality FO...it is the intangibles...like this sorta crap.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;541560]Exactly, [B]I would feel the same way if I went too work tomorrow and found out they tried to send me two thousand miles away.[/B] Also, every Campbell supporter takes it so personally that some fans want Cutler. Hey Campbell is a stand up guy, great in every intangible, but he just cant get the ball to his receivers and thats probably not going to change.[/quote]

Again with the real world comparisons. Maybe I'll go to my boss tomorrow and demand a trade. :doh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;541557]Why is this reminding of the whole fiasco with Gregg Williams' interview...

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-%27I-didn%27t-want-to-get-traded%27"]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Cutler speaks: 'I didn't want to get traded'[/URL][/quote]
It's really ridiculous.. if they didn't meet up I'd say somebody wasn't contacting someone or returning calls, I think that Cutler and Cook are saying they weren't contacted to keep his stock higher, just doesn't sound right

puts his house on the market, demands a trade, then acts shocked when they go through with it.. so much drama.. I mean good player, but damn

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[quote=tryfuhl;541567]It's really ridiculous.. if they didn't meet up I'd say somebody wasn't contacting someone or returning calls, I think that Cutler and Cook are saying they weren't contacted to keep his stock higher, just doesn't sound right

puts his house on the market, demands a trade, then acts shocked when they go through with it.. so much drama.. I mean good player, but damn[/quote]

I must say, as much as I am slamming on Cutler's character, the Broncos have f'ed up themselves, so I'm giving Cutler the benefit of the doubt. I still don't agree with his reaction, but I do think McDaniels is f'ing up too. My friend who's a Broncos fan is hating every second of this saga.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541551]Well we haven't actually done anything here in this case, so no need to panic[/quote]

Just the fact that they are pent up all day in Snyders office really effin irks me for the following reasons.

1. Why the hell is Snyder involved in this crap...Don't say because of money because as of now there should be no contract talks being spoken of. It shows me that he's WAY TOO involved with the personnel process.

2. The FO is still focusing on trying to improve skill positions instead of our real issue, which is OL. They won't have a way of improving the OL this year if they trade our goods for Cutler.

3. The FO has already said that they are not making any move that involves Cutler and this is obviously contradicts every thing they've said. If you don't want people to know your business, just CLOSE YOUR MOUTH!...the FO just seems really inept with how they handle these high profile situations.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541528]We've been trying to get a 2nd rounder (damn you Jason Taylor!!) for a while now. I know for sure we've dangled Santana Moss out there, and I'm almost positive we dangled Rogers out there as well.

I'm not as down on Cutler as others are, so under the right circumstances, I'm not going to flip a lid if he came here. That said, I still don't think this is where he ultimately ends up (that's just my opinion though). But either way, I don't think Campbell is the future here. I don't agree with it, I think it will be a mistake to let him go. But, as much as Redskins coaches and execs may sing his praises in public, [B]the truth is he has limited support (even from teammates) since even before he got hurt two seasons ago[/B]. His biggest supporter is now...the QB coach in Seattle.[/quote]

So how do you know this is? Are you hearing this from reliable sources?

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[quote=Lotus;541558]Da Bears, in the NFC, could get him, too, although only if the Broncos did not demand a good qb in return.[/quote]

Bears would love to get him, but they probably have less to offer than we do.

The top trade rumor out there is a 3-way that gets Cutler to Detroit, Quinn to Denver, and picks to Cleveland (and picks to Denver and Detroit as well)

It should be noted that contrary to popular belief, Cutler would actually kind of like the idea of playing in Detroit (he and Calvin Johnson are rumored to be pretty close, I think they share the same agent)

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[quote=Ruhskins;541570]I must say, as much as I am slamming on Cutler's character, the Broncos have f'ed up themselves, so I'm giving Cutler the benefit of the doubt. I still don't agree with his reaction, but I do think McDaniels is f'ing up too. My friend who's a Broncos fan is hating every second of this saga.[/quote]

Yeah, unfortunate situation for them no doubt. You hire in a hotshot young coordinator to be a head coach, look forward to your pro bowl qb maybe carrying you to the playoffs after some defensive moves, and bam.. here you are questioning all 3 of those..

I think that both are looking like cocky douchebags that refuse to budge

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[quote=SmootSmack;541576]Bears would love to get him, but they probably have less to offer than we do.

[B]The top trade rumor out there is a 3-way that gets Cutler to Detroit, Quinn to Denver, and picks to Cleveland (and picks to Denver and Detroit as well)[/B]

It should be noted that contrary to popular belief, Cutler would actually kind of like the idea of playing in Detroit (he and Calvin Johnson are rumored to be pretty close, I think they share the same agent)[/quote]

I know I am biased, but man this would make so much more sense.

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Meh. I hope someone is pulling LaCanfora's chain. This is rigoddamndiculous is what this is.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;541571]Just the fact that they are pent up all day in Snyders office really effin irks me for the following reasons.

1. Why the hell is Snyder involved in this crap...Don't say because of money because as of now there should be no contract talks being spoken of. It shows me that he's WAY TOO involved with the personnel process.[/quote]

Fair point

[quote]2. The FO is still focusing on trying to improve skill positions instead of our real issue, which is OL. They won't have a way of improving the OL this year if they trade our goods for Cutler.[/quote]

With or without Cutler, I think the likelihood of them holding on to the 13th overall pick is kinda shaky. It's a shame, because I think Oher would be there and would be an outstanding selection

[quote]3. The FO has already said that they are not making any move that involves Cutler and this is obviously contradicts every thing they've said. If you don't want people to know your business, just CLOSE YOUR MOUTH!...the FO just seems really inept with how they handle these high profile situations.[/quote]

I can't recall what exactly they've said in the past about Cutler. But I don't think we've heard anything from today. But by the same token, how do you feel about the Broncos saying he's available for a trade (assume you were a Broncos fan for a moment)

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[quote=Skinny Tee;541571]Just the fact that they are pent up all day in Snyders office really effin irks me for the following reasons.

1. Why the hell is Snyder involved in this crap...Don't say because of money because as of now there should be no contract talks being spoken of. It shows me that he's WAY TOO involved with the personnel process.

2. The FO is still focusing on trying to improve skill positions instead of our real issue, which is OL. They won't have a way of improving the OL this year if they trade our goods for Cutler.

3. The FO has already said that they are not making any move that involves Cutler and this is obviously contradicts every thing they've said. If you don't want people to know your business, just CLOSE YOUR MOUTH!...the FO just seems really inept with how they handle these high profile situations.[/quote]

saying you're not interested stops the overinflation of value before you're ready for a move

did we ever say we weren't interested.. or just that we weren't actively pursuing?

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[quote=skinsfan69;541573]So how do you know this is? Are you hearing this from reliable sources?[/quote]

Yeah, I'd like to think they're pretty reliable. I'm not saying his teammates dislike him, or even that it's all his teammates. Just that the organization hasn't rallied around him the way you'd like to see. Some think it's Campbell's fault to an extent, because of the way he is. He's not the rah-rah, follow me to freedom kind of guy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541528]We've been trying to get a 2nd rounder (damn you Jason Taylor!!) for a while now. I know for sure we've dangled Santana Moss out there, and I'm almost positive we dangled Rogers out there as well.

[B]I'm not as down on Cutler as others are, so under the right circumstances, [/B]I'm not going to flip a lid if he came here. That said, I still don't think this is where he ultimately ends up (that's just my opinion though). But either way, I don't think Campbell is the future here. I don't agree with it, I think it will be a mistake to let him go. But, as much as Redskins coaches and execs may sing his praises in public, the truth is he has limited support (even from teammates) since even before he got hurt two seasons ago. His biggest supporter is now...the QB coach in Seattle.[/quote]

That's the key to whole thing right there. I've been saying it since day one of this fiasco. Cutler for Campbell straight up is a no brainer. But that's obviously never happening. It's all about how much we give up. In this case upgrading the QB position doesn't necessarily equate to upgrading the Redskins as a whole. And improving the TEAM (not wearing blinders and pigeon-holing all kinds of needs for one guy), should be the overall focus at all times.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541587]Yeah, I'd like to think they're pretty reliable. I'm not saying his teammates dislike him, or even that it's all his teammates. Just that the organization hasn't rallied around him the way you'd like to see. Some think it's Campbell's fault to an extent, because of the way he is. He's not the rah-rah, follow me to freedom kind of guy.[/quote]
He has his little quips about I know what I have, I know what I can do, just wait type things, but he's still soft-spoken so it doesn't come out Gladiator style.. more waiting in the wings style

I think that it plays more to his character and playing style to be how he is, because if he tried to come out as a hotshot he knows he'd be fooling himself and misleading the rest of us

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What's the latest? There are 10 pages of posts in the last three hours. I'm not reading all that. Someone summarize it for me.

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What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?

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[quote=SmootSmack;541587]Yeah, I'd like to think they're pretty reliable. I'm not saying his teammates dislike him, or even that it's all his teammates. Just that the organization hasn't rallied around him the way you'd like to see. Some think it's Campbell's fault to an extent, because of the way he is. [B]He's not the rah-rah, follow me to freedom kind of guy.[/B][/quote]

Well, Eli Manning isn't a rah-rah guy either.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541576]Bears would love to get him, but they probably have less to offer than we do.
[B]
The top trade rumor out there is a 3-way that gets Cutler to Detroit, Quinn to Denver, and picks to Cleveland (and picks to Denver and Detroit as well)[/B]

It should be noted that contrary to popular belief, Cutler would actually kind of like the idea of playing in Detroit (he and Calvin Johnson are rumored to be pretty close, I think they share the same agent)[/quote]

And that's what it should be. It makes great sense for all teams involved. I mean, what would make the most sense would be for Cutler and McDaniels to kiss and make up, but we all know that's not possible. So given the current situation, this is a great move.

Quinn is a far better prospect that Cassell ever was. McDaniels could potentially make him damn good.

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[quote=tryfuhl;541591]He has his little quips about I know what I have, I know what I can do, just wait type things, but he's still soft-spoken so it doesn't come out Gladiator style.. more waiting in the wings style

I think that it plays more to his character and playing style to be how he is, because if he tried to come out as a hotshot he knows he'd be fooling himself and misleading the rest of us[/quote]

Agreed...Campbell's leadership is exemplified when he stands tall in the pocket to deliver a strike even though a LB is inches away from crushing him cuz the line evaporated into thin air w/ "hut" and afterward Jason just picks himself up w/o complaining. I'll take his kind of leadership over the loudmouth any day of the week and twice on Sunday...but of course the quiet, non-flashy types don't create as much dollar value for the franchise as the other kind :rant:

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[quote=GMScud;541590]That's the key to whole thing right there. I've been saying it since day one of this fiasco. Cutler for Campbell straight up is a no brainer. But that's obviously never happening. It's all about how much we give up. In this case upgrading the QB position doesn't necessarily equate to upgrading the Redskins as a whole. And improving the TEAM (not wearing blinders and pigeon-holing all kinds of needs for one guy), should be the overall focus at all times.[/quote]

Well, as I understand it, if Campbell does end up in Denver it won't be because they wanted him but because we forced him on them

What the Redskins are reportedly proposing is not earth shattering though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541594]What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?[/quote]


It's the idea that Snyder can't let someone else run the show. He get's bored and amuses himself with this sort of shit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541594]What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?[/quote]

Yep...

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[quote=SmootSmack;541594]What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?[/quote]

For me, its Cutlers alleged alcohol abuse. A diabetic has no business drinking alcohol AT ALL, let alone in the amounts Cutler is reported of as drinking. It also shows a pattern of self-destructive behavior. Cutler is too risky of a move.

That said, if we did trade a plethora of picks for Cutler, the Skins could make up for it by trading Campbell to Chicago for Briggs, straight up... oh wait, thats impossible, nevermind.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541594]What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?[/quote]

No OL help in the draft and the loss of stability.

Stability is something that Joe Gibbs put a lot of effort into when he came here. I don't want us go back to major wholesale personnel changes on a yearly basis because no one has the balls to stand up to Dan's wonderlust.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541594]What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?[/quote]

I won't cry a river if JC leaves. For me it's what we'd have to give up. We need starting caliber talent at tackle and OLB right now. Like yesterday. Giving up our top pick(s) craps on our chances at a guy like Oher, who we can agree we'd both love in B&G.

I don't know what Cutler would do to our '09 cap, but it I'm sure it would hinder our ability for more FA O-lineman or OLBs to go with the picks we'd have to shed to pick him up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541598]Well, as I understand it, if Campbell does end up in Denver it won't be because they wanted him but because we forced him on them

What the Redskins are [B]reportedly proposing[/B] is not earth shattering though.[/quote]

Which is...???

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Lets Take Cutler, I love Campbell (great guy) but hes not a franchise QB. Hes a solid good quarterback that i hope has a great career. But his contract is ending and id much rather go with a kid who has some growing up to do but can carry this team for years to come. If we have the right veteran leadership and core guys (which i think we do)they can groom cutler into the elway we didnt get

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[quote=Ruhskins;541604]Which is...???[/quote]

thats what im wondering. i havent heard any semi-verifiable reports of what were offering.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541598]Well, as I understand it, if Campbell does end up in Denver it won't be because they wanted him but because we forced him on them

What the Redskins are reportedly proposing is not earth shattering though.[/quote]
you're so vaaaague

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[quote=SmootSmack;541598]

What the Redskins are reportedly proposing is not earth shattering though.[/quote]

So what the word on what were offering? JC and the 13th? I wouldn't mind JC and Betts for Cutler.