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[quote=SmootSmack;632366]He was only joking about every play he called being a failure...but he did call the plays at the end of the game
[/quote]

Kevin actually asked Zorn about this on the Jim Zorn show today. Zorn said he called all the plays in the final drives of both halves.

[B][U]From NFL.com - First Half[/U][/B]

Washington Redskins at 00:49
1-10-WAS 35 (:42) (Shotgun) PENALTY on WAS-76-L.Jones, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 35 - No Play. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

1-15-WAS 30 (:41) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short left to 31-R.Cartwright pushed ob at WAS 40 for 10 yards (52-T.White). [COLOR="Green"][B] PARTIAL SUCCESS[/B][/COLOR]

2-5-WAS 40 (:35) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short left to 11-D.Thomas to WAS 37 for -3 yards (24-S.Brown). [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

Timeout #2 by WAS at 00:28.
3-8-WAS 37 (:28) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short right intended for 11-D.Thomas INTERCEPTED by 22-A.Samuel [58-T.Cole] at WAS 45. 22-A.Samuel to WAS 28 for 17 yards (11-D.Thomas). [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]


[B][U]From NFL.com - Second Half[/U][/B]

1-10-WAS 16 (1:44) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short left to 11-D.Thomas [58-T.Cole]. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

2-10-WAS 16 (1:39) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep middle to 86-F.Davis. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

3-10-WAS 16 (1:33) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 82-A.Randle El to WAS 25 for 9 yards (35-V.Harris). [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

4-1-WAS 25 (1:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short right to 89-S.Moss [75-J.Parker]. WAS-17-J.Campbell was injured during the play. His return is Doubtful. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

So of the 8 plays that Zorn admitted to calling, 7 of them were complete failures. When you consider the goal of both drives was to score before the half expired, all 8 plays can be considered failures as they did not result in the redskins putting points on the board. Granted, Zorn only calls the plays - he doesn't execute them, but the fact remains that, for whatever reason, the team executed better when Zorn wasn't calling plays.

I would be interested in knowing how many of the plays/drives that have succeeded since Sherm took over the majority of the playcalling duties (and our offense started gelling) can be attributed to Zorn. I certainly doubt very many.

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That makes sense since Zorn calls the two-minute drills. A two-minute/4th down (Zorn) vs. passing plays (Sherman Lewis) vs. running plays (Sherman Smith) break-down would be interesting but would have so many caveats it'd be tough to pull off. Plus Lewis would have to factor into the running plays also because he tells Smith when to call a running play.

And a lot of people seem to be saying Chris Meidt is playing as critical a role as anyone in calling the offense.

This clearly tells me that our next head coach should be Jermis Zolesmidt

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;632838]Kevin actually asked Zorn about this on the Jim Zorn show today. Zorn said he called all the plays in the final drives of both halves.

[B][U]From NFL.com - First Half[/U][/B]

Washington Redskins at 00:49
1-10-WAS 35 (:42) (Shotgun) PENALTY on WAS-76-L.Jones, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 35 - No Play. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

1-15-WAS 30 (:41) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short left to 31-R.Cartwright pushed ob at WAS 40 for 10 yards (52-T.White). [COLOR="Green"][B] PARTIAL SUCCESS[/B][/COLOR]

2-5-WAS 40 (:35) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short left to 11-D.Thomas to WAS 37 for -3 yards (24-S.Brown). [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

Timeout #2 by WAS at 00:28.
3-8-WAS 37 (:28) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short right intended for 11-D.Thomas INTERCEPTED by 22-A.Samuel [58-T.Cole] at WAS 45. 22-A.Samuel to WAS 28 for 17 yards (11-D.Thomas). [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]


[B][U]From NFL.com - Second Half[/U][/B]

1-10-WAS 16 (1:44) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short left to 11-D.Thomas [58-T.Cole]. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

2-10-WAS 16 (1:39) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep middle to 86-F.Davis. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

3-10-WAS 16 (1:33) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 82-A.Randle El to WAS 25 for 9 yards (35-V.Harris). [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

4-1-WAS 25 (1:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short right to 89-S.Moss [75-J.Parker]. WAS-17-J.Campbell was injured during the play. His return is Doubtful. [COLOR="Red"][B]FAIL[/B][/COLOR]

So of the 8 plays that Zorn admitted to calling, 7 of them were complete failures. When you consider the goal of both drives was to score before the half expired, all 8 plays can be considered failures as they did not result in the redskins putting points on the board. Granted, Zorn only calls the plays - he doesn't execute them, but the fact remains that, for whatever reason, the team executed better when Zorn wasn't calling plays.

I would be interested in knowing how many of the plays/drives that have succeeded since Sherm took over the majority of the playcalling duties (and our offense started gelling) can be attributed to Zorn. I certainly doubt very many.[/quote]

But this doesn't explain why those plays failed. My recollection is that most of them failed because there was little protection from the O-line. At some point, a coach has to rely on the line to provide adequate protection -- especially when it is a final drive with little time remaining and you're behind. I am not sure I would blame these failures on playcalling.

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[quote=SmootSmack;632841]That makes sense since Zorn calls the two-minute drills. A two-minute/4th down (Zorn) vs. passing plays (Sherman Lewis) vs. running plays (Sherman Smith) break-down would be interesting but would have so many caveats it'd be tough to pull off. Plus Lewis would have to factor into the running plays also because he tells Smith when to call a running play.

And a lot of people seem to be saying Chris Meidt is playing as critical a role as anyone in calling the offense.

This clearly tells me that our next head coach should be [B]Jermis Zolesmidt[/B][/quote]

Who?

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[quote=SmootSmack;632841]That makes sense since Zorn calls the two-minute drills. A two-minute/4th down (Zorn) vs. passing plays (Sherman Lewis) vs. running plays (Sherman Smith) break-down would be interesting but would have so many caveats it'd be tough to pull off. Plus Lewis would have to factor into the running plays also because he tells Smith when to call a running play.

And a lot of people seem to be saying Chris Meidt is playing as critical a role as anyone in calling the offense.

This clearly tells me that our next head coach should be Jermis Zolesmidt[/quote]

Hearing Cooley explain the process today he was almost laughing at one point.

I'm actually surprised that the process has gone as smoothly as it has, but honestly the fact that Sherman Lewis has little to no communication with Campbell is amazing to me.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632846]Hearing Cooley explain the process today he was almost laughing at one point.

I'm actually surprised that the process has gone as smoothly as it has, but honestly the fact that Sherman Lewis has little to no communication with Campbell is amazing to me.[/quote]

I think in a way it's good. You'd see and hear Zorn on the sidelines and it was like he spent most of his time coaching Campbell during the game. That's not what he should be doing as the head coach. Come game time let Campbell play the game, that's not the time to be working on technique and fundamentals, in my opinion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;632847]I think in a way it's good. You'd see and hear Zorn on the sidelines and it was like he spent most of his time coaching Campbell during the game. That's not what he should be doing as the head coach. Come game time let Campbell play the game, that's not the time to be working on technique and fundamentals, in my opinion.[/quote]

Yeah I see that point. My take is you would think that in order for everyone to be on the same page, there would be some level of face to face communication going on between the guy calling the plays, and the person who ultimately runs them.

I'm not saying it's necessary for Lewis to talk with JC during the game, but the fact they don't talk at all during the week during the installation of the game plan is just very odd to me.

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[quote=SmootSmack;632841]That makes sense since Zorn calls the two-minute drills. A two-minute/4th down (Zorn) vs. passing plays (Sherman Lewis) vs. running plays (Sherman Smith) break-down would be interesting but would have so many caveats it'd be tough to pull off. Plus Lewis would have to factor into the running plays also because he tells Smith when to call a running play.

And a lot of people seem to be saying Chris Meidt is playing as critical a role as anyone in calling the offense.

This clearly tells me that our next head coach should be Jermis Zolesmidt[/quote]

lol! ive heard thet same thing about Chris. If we keep a WCO and don't hire Shanahan, perhaps the new coach would consider keeping chris around. If not, i'm sure he'll find work elsewhere. he plays a crucial role in managing a chaotic playcalling setup...

my main feeling is that there are too many people involved in the process. I understand that Zorn likes to call plays and this is probably the last chance he'll ever have to do it, but i'd bet we'd have better success (and perhaps even won the past 2 games... keeping us alive in the wildcard hunt) if Zorn didn't interject himself in the process. It no doubt breaks whatever flow the other playcallers have going.

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what if chris meidt is being groomed to be the next OC/play caller? I think Zorn could be a HC, he has kept this team performing, but his playcalling skills seem inadequate. I like Sherm Lewis, but he most certainly is a stop gap solution, so if we end up not blowing it up, but instead giving one more year with a pledge of really fixing the OL through draft/FA, maybe Meidt becomes OC/ and the Sherms are the sacrificial lambs on the offensive side of the ball. With Blache retiring our staff would look like this:
HC - Zorn
OC - Meidt - Full play calling duties
DC - Gray
ST - Smith

With a FO where VC is reduced and Marty or Holmgren are brought in as GM.

I am not sure how this would work, but I think I would see this positively.

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I can't think of many GM/President candidates who would be willing to come in and generally keep the status quo. You're probably talking about reaching for someone like Steve Mariucci (but that's a big reach). Or promoting someone from within.

Meidt might stay but overall I think if Zorn goes (and Vinny goes) there will be some serious housecleaning

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;632855]what if chris meidt is being groomed to be the next OC/play caller? I think Zorn could be a HC, he has kept this team performing, but his playcalling skills seem inadequate. I like Sherm Lewis, but he most certainly is a stop gap solution, so if we end up not blowing it up, but instead giving one more year with a pledge of really fixing the OL through draft/FA, maybe Meidt becomes OC/ and the Sherms are the sacrificial lambs on the offensive side of the ball. With Blache retiring our staff would look like this:
HC - Zorn
OC - Meidt - Full play calling duties
DC - Gray
ST - Smith

With a FO where VC is reduced and Marty or Holmgren are brought in as GM.

I am not sure how this would work, but I think I would see this positively.[/quote]

IF - and only IF - all the big names rebuff Snyder, I can see something like this happening, especially if the offense continues to show improvement as the season winds down. However, I think equally as likely in that scenario would be:

HC - Gray
OC/QB coach - Meidt - Full play calling duties
DC - Blache (or, if he retires Kirk Olivadotti or John Palemro)
ST - Smith

I also think its possible that if Snyder can't land a big name coach, Gregg Williams would be one of the candidates he interviews and seriously considers hiring.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632848]Yeah I see that point. My take is you would think that in order for everyone to be on the same page, there would be some level of face to face communication going on between the guy calling the plays, and the person who ultimately runs them.

I'm not saying it's necessary for Lewis to talk with JC during the game, but the fact they don't talk at all during the week during the installation of the game plan is just very odd to me.[/quote]

Yeah it's peculiar

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Cooley-describes-play-calling-process-78239367.html]Cooley describes play-calling process | Washington Examiner[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;632865]Yeah it's peculiar

[URL="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Cooley-describes-play-calling-process-78239367.html"]Cooley describes play-calling process | Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]

It's a hot mess if you ask me.

I really don't know how the offense has managed to improve under these circumstances, and with all the injuries to boot.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632867]It's a hot mess if you ask me.

[B]I really don't know how the offense has managed to improve under these circumstances, and with all the injuries to boot[/B].[/quote]

:laughing- Maybe the young guys don't realize just how bad it is. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;632865]Yeah it's peculiar

[URL="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Cooley-describes-play-calling-process-78239367.html"]Cooley describes play-calling process | Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]

I'm so tired of this child ass bullshit set up that this team is running. I mean I can't believe one of the most storied teams in the NFL has this type of crap going on. I'd expect this non sense from a high school team. I'm kind of hoping that we really take a look at Charlie Weis and if he's hired bring in Romeo Crennel as DC. He would at least stop this throwing the ball 4 yards when it's 3-8 and push the ball downfield some more. I also think we need to go to a 3-4 with Orakpo and Carter coming off the edges.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632867]It's a hot mess if you ask me.

I really don't know how the offense has managed to improve under these circumstances, and with all the injuries to boot.[/quote]

Well it has improved a litte bit but still way too many short passes. Also we still only scored 6 points last week. The offense had no where to go but up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;632896]Well it has improved a litte bit but still way too many short passes. Also we still only scored 6 points last week. The offense had no where to go but up.[/quote]

The west coast offense is based on quick short passes

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[quote=RedskinMike;632915]The west coast offense is based on quick short passes[/quote]

i hope to god we get rid of the failed conversion to the wco next year

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[quote=mlmdub130;632916]i hope to god we get rid of the failed conversion to the wco next year[/quote]

We should go back to the Air Coryell type offense.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;632920]We should go back to the Air Coryell type offense.[/quote]

I can't stand the West Coast Offense, if that's what you call this system. Any system that says throw the ball for 5 yards, when you need 10 on 3rd down is stupid.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;632921]I can't stand the West Coast Offense, if that's what you call this system. Any system that says throw the ball for 5 yards, when you need 10 on 3rd down is stupid.[/quote]The West Coast coaching philosophy essentially says, "don't get yourself into 3rd and 10", but we're not very good at the west coast element of the offense.

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[quote=calia;632843]But this doesn't explain why those plays failed. My recollection is that most of them failed because there was little protection from the O-line. At some point, a coach has to rely on the line to provide adequate protection -- especially when it is a final drive with little time remaining and you're behind. I am not sure I would blame these failures on playcalling.[/quote]
There's a rush on the passer on the plays that work too.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632846]Hearing Cooley explain the process today he was almost laughing at one point.

I'm actually surprised that the process has gone as smoothly as it has, but honestly the fact that Sherman Lewis has little to no communication with Campbell is amazing to me.[/quote]
I wonder if he either trusts Meidt and Zorn (I guess Smith too to a lesser extent) and doesn't feel like he needs to have direct communication with JC to instill the plan or what.

The diagram yesterday showed Meidt and Zorn doing the gameplan.. so maybe he feels like that and his conferencing with Meidt and Zorn is enough and JC doesn't need a third guy in his ear

ooooooor

if he just has no interest in JC

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[quote=GTripp0012;632944]The West Coast coaching philosophy essentially says, "don't get yourself into 3rd and 10", but we're not very good at the west coast element of the offense.[/quote]
Our gameplan seems to be "get to 3rd and 6 or 7"

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[quote=tryfuhl;632954]Our gameplan seems to be "get to 3rd and 6 or 7"[/quote]The funny thing is, when we were at our very best last season and even in the first two games of this season, our offense would avoid third downs altogether. Just pick it up on first or second.

The last 9 games, we're in third down on basically every third play, and it's kind of funny, and kind of tragic. Thing is, we've actually gotten better on third downs in the process, and the points are coming.

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[quote=tryfuhl;632952]There's a rush on the passer on the plays that work too.[/quote]

exactly.

Also, when it was just Zorn calling the plays, I gave him a little nod, cuz D's "knew the book on him" and so they maybe could tee off some, but now, you would have to say that they can't really know which coach/advisor/other random space alien is going to be calling any specific play and yet the times where Zorn makes the call just seem to fail. It's a shame, you work your whole life and dream of being a playcaller, and then you get the opportunity, that's the kinda guy and scenario everyone roots for. To have it blow up like it has, well, it's just a bummer of a situation for him and for the team.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632867]It's a hot mess if you ask me.

I really don't know how the offense has managed to improve under these circumstances, and with all the injuries to boot.[/quote]
It might say that stripping Zorn was the right call.

I also agree on the earlier point about Zorn shouldn't be a QB Coach during the game.. unless something is grossly off you're just messing up the QB's flow/rhythm, he shouldn't (or shouldn't have to, pick one) do that

Zorn can't be QB coach and HC and do everything within 2 years.. that being said I'm kind of glad he wasn't the OC.. wonder how long he would've lasted though if he was only OC

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[quote=RedskinMike;632915]The west coast offense is based on quick short passes[/quote]
That's why you mold it to allow for vertical threats as well. It's more about quick than just short.. but often that's your most open guy that soon into the play.

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[quote=GTripp0012;632955]The funny thing is, when we were at our very best last season and even in the first two games of this season, our offense would avoid third downs altogether. Just pick it up on first or second.

The last 9 games, we're in third down on basically every third play, and it's kind of funny, and kind of tragic. Thing is, we've actually gotten better on third downs in the process, and the points are coming.[/quote]
Yeah, every problem that solves itself presents a new one and we just scratch our heads wondering where things went both right AND wrong.

It seems as if we set up the drives for 3rd downs though, I say if you can get it on first or second, do it, but I'm just a guy on the internet.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;632956]exactly.

Also, when it was just Zorn calling the plays, I gave him a little nod, cuz D's "knew the book on him" and so they maybe could tee off some, but now, you would have to say that they can't really know which coach/advisor/other random space alien is going to be calling any specific play and yet the times where Zorn makes the call just seem to fail. It's a shame, you work your whole life and dream of being a playcaller, and then you get the opportunity, that's the kinda guy and scenario everyone roots for. To have it blow up like it has, well, it's just a bummer of a situation for him and for the team.[/quote]

I agree.. maybe the carousel will catch on around the league haha

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;632921]I can't stand the West Coast Offense, if that's what you call this system. Any system that says throw the ball for 5 yards, when you need 10 on 3rd down is stupid.[/quote]

The Redskins identity and success has been through the air Coryell/Gibbs type offense and we should go back to our roots. Paul Brown/WCO is not what this team needs to run, most SB's have been won by the Coryell/Gibbs offense, the Cowboys won 3 SB's running it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;632895]I'm so tired of this child ass bullshit set up that this team is running. I mean I can't believe one of the most storied teams in the NFL has this type of crap going on. I'd expect this non sense from a high school team.[B] I'm kind of hoping that we really take a look at Charlie Weis and if he's hired bring in Romeo Crennel as DC. [/B]He would at least stop this throwing the ball 4 yards when it's 3-8 and push the ball downfield some more. I also think we need to go to a 3-4 with Orakpo and Carter coming off the edges.[/quote]

Yeah that sounds good, lets bring in Weis who couldn't cut it at the college level and bring in Crennel who couldn't cut it at the NFL level. Other wise they both would be holding jobs there now.

Especially Crennel....are you looking to simply have more beer commercial material to laugh at?

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[quote=SBXVII;633007]Yeah that sounds good, lets bring in Weis who couldn't cut it at the college level and bring in Crennel who couldn't cut it at the NFL level. Other wise they both would be holding jobs there now.

Especially Crennel....are you looking to simply have more beer commercial material to laugh at?[/quote]

Well both guys are well qualified NFL coaches. Crennel didn't do well in Clev cause he didn't have the players. Weis didn't have any defense at ND. But both guys were the coordinators on 3 SB winning NE teams. They know what it takes to win. Who would you rather have running your offense. Weis or Zorn? I rest my case.

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[quote=RedskinMike;632915]The west coast offense is based on quick short passes[/quote]

All of this west coast offense crap is just a freakin name cause no one runs a pure version of it anymore. No one runs it like SF did in the early/mid 80's. Or how GB ran it when Holgrem was there. You still see some of the same plays here and there but in todays NFL everyone is spreading the field, running empty sets, shotgun, 4 wr's and so on. Philly runs a west coast offense and all they do is throw it downfield. Same with GB. At this point the only difference between the west coast offense and the Gibbs/Coyell offense is terminology. Today everyone runs the same plays for the most part. It's just that some teams are much more aggressive than others. We run a "pee wee" offense, New Orleans runs a "we don't fuck around" offense. lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;633012]Well both guys are well qualified NFL coaches. Crennel didn't do well in Clev cause he didn't have the players. Weis didn't have any defense at ND. But both guys were the coordinators on 3 SB winning NE teams. They know what it takes to win. Who would you rather have running your offense. Weis or Zorn? I rest my case.[/quote]

I don't buy that, all of Belichick's assistants who have gone somewhere else have done horribly in the NFL.

Six of Belichick's assistant coaches have become NFL head coaches:
Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
Josh McDaniels, Denver Broncos (2009–present)
Eric Mangini, New York Jets (2006–2008), Cleveland Browns (2009–present)
Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions (2009–present)

The one that sticks out is Josh McDaniels, but he hasn't done anything yet. Let's face it, Shanahan built a pretty good team there, all of the pieces were in place for him (like it was for Zorn), something tells me that he is riding on Shanahan's coat-tails, the coaching will eventually catch up to them.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;632974]The Redskins identity and success has been through the air Coryell/Gibbs type offense and we should go back to our roots. Paul Brown/WCO is not what this team needs to run, most SB's have been won by the Coryell/Gibbs offense, the Cowboys won 3 SB's running it.[/quote]

It really has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the coach molding his offense around the players strengths. We all know Jason Campbell isn't a dink and dunk Qb so why the hell do we continue to throw short passes? Part of it is the line and part of it is coaching. Denver won back to back SB's running a version of the west coach offense but they had Elway to keep the defenses honest and Terrell Davis running for 2000+ yarrds.

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[quote=skinsfan69;633015]It really has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the coach molding his offense around the players strengths. We all know Jason Campbell isn't a dink and dunk Qb so why the hell do we continue to throw short passes? Part of it is the line and part of it is coaching. Denver won back to back SB's running a version of the west coach offense but they had Elway to keep the defenses honest and Terrell Davis running for 2000+ yarrds.[/quote]

The problem is JC is a dink & dunk qb. He doesn't take shots down the field with acuratecy. Teams aren't scared of the skins going deep at all. They also know that they can still win if Washington gets the lead because they won't be agressive and try to save a win. The way the redskins playcall games they won't win in today's NFL. It was the same reason Gibbs didn't win

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[quote=skinsfan69;633012]Well both guys are well qualified NFL coaches. Crennel didn't do well in Clev cause he didn't have the players. Weis didn't have any defense at ND. But both guys were the coordinators on 3 SB winning NE teams. They know what it takes to win. [B]Who would you rather have running your offense.[/B] Weis or Zorn? I rest my case.[/quote]

It's pretty damn bad I only get two choices. Maybe I'd prefer the OC for the Saints right now. He has them running like a fine oiled machine. Perhaps Clyde Christensen from the Colts. He has them winning and they have great clock management. Both more proven then the two choices you gave me.

Maybe Shanahan who has been a HC in this league and proven himself to win a SB. What have the two choices you gave me done as HC's?

I have some questions for you....

Do you think Gruden might have an easy out in his contract. Most do.

Do you think anyone could lure Schottenheimer out of retirement if they offered enough money and concessions?

Do you think Dungy would take the job if given the same as above?

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If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL. Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.

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[quote=atomicnixon;633014]I don't buy that, all of Belichick's assistants who have gone somewhere else have done horribly in the NFL.

Six of Belichick's assistant coaches have become NFL head coaches:
Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
Josh McDaniels, Denver Broncos (2009–present)
Eric Mangini, New York Jets (2006–2008), Cleveland Browns (2009–present)
Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions (2009–present)

The one that sticks out is Josh McDaniels, but he hasn't done anything yet. Let's face it, Shanahan built a pretty good team there, all of the pieces were in place for him (like it was for Zorn), something tells me that he is riding on Shanahan's coat-tails, the coaching will eventually catch up to them.[/quote]

I don't give a damn the records. All I care about is can I guy coach or not. Can these guys lead men and get them to play hard. Can they X and O. I think people around the NFL know Weis and Crennel and do both.