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[quote=Ruhskins;626977]Can we ban this guy? :doh:

Even the Cowboys or Giant fans on this board make more sense.[/quote]

I'm up for that. I'll be happy to see his racist comments gone.

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[quote=Ruhskins;626977]Can we ban this guy? :doh:

Even the Cowboys or Giant fans on this board make more sense.[/quote]

i never once mentioned that i watched the rams game did i? in fact.....i told you guys which games i did get to watch

no i didnt watch all of those games and no i had no idea i was going to be having this conversation....i dont watch the redskins like i watch the saints....i watch the redskins because its football......not to analyze them

you guys are clowns
[img]http://www.gweep.net/~shifty/video/badcompress/8800/clowns.jpg[/img]

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[quote=Lotus;626979]I'm up for that. I'll be happy to see his racist comments gone.[/quote]

I'm almost prone to seconding that. I'd really like the see empirically based studies which proves what he's saying as fact. :doh:

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[quote=CantonLegend;626980]i never once mentioned that i watched the rams game did i? in fact.....i told you guys which games i did get to watch

no i didnt watch all of those games and [B]no i had no idea i was going to be having this conversation[/B]....i dont watch the redskins like i watch the saints....i watch the redskins because its football......not to analyze them[/quote]

Well then you need to stop posting then, or stop making arguments you can't back up. Otherwise you're just basically spamming the board with your non-sense. I mean we don't expect everyone here to be a game analyst, but the whole pulling things out of your ass does get tiresome.

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[quote=Ruhskins;626982]Well then you need to stop posting then, or stop making arguments you can't back up. Otherwise you're just basically spamming the board with your non-sense. I mean we don't expect everyone here to be a game analyst, but the whole pulling things out of your ass does get tiresome.[/quote]

lol im just as welcome to post here as you are

just because you disagree with what i say doesnt mean im wrong

i havent seen a valid argument yet to tell me why portis should sit and betts should start over him other than a bunch of disgruntled fans complaining about the team and blaming a scapegoat for the team's failures

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betts is older than portis.....hes right at the age where production drops off right?

betts has less yardage than portis this season even tho betts is clearly better? i dont understand that either

betts was given his chance to be a starter but since portis' arrival in washington he has yet to relinquish his position

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The difference is that Betts workload has been considerably less that Portis' in his career. So although Betts may be older in age he's much younger in terms of wear and tear. Not arguing one way or the other, just saying.

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[quote=CantonLegend;626984]betts is older than portis.....hes right at the age where production drops off right?

betts has less yardage than portis this season even tho betts is clearly better? i dont understand that either

betts was given his chance to be a starter but since portis' arrival in washington he has yet to relinquish his position[/quote]

I always laugh when fans from one team start "telling" fans of another team what is going to happen with the other teams players.

Nevertheless in 2006,
when portis went down, Betts started 9 of the 16 games and had over 1100yds rushing. While it was a horrible year, could Betts have gone for 1800+yds rushing had he started the entire year and would it have made a difference in the season?

Who knows, but not bad for a backup and only starting half the season.

Just a little food for thought.......

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[quote=TheBigDaddy;626999]I always laugh when fans from one team start "telling" fans of another team what is going to happen with the other teams players.

Nevertheless in 2006,
when portis went down, Betts started 9 of the 16 games and had over 1100yds rushing. While it was a horrible year, could Betts have gone for 1800+yds rushing had he started the entire year and would it have made a difference in the season?

Who knows, but not bad for a backup and only starting half the season.

Just a little food for thought.......[/quote]

Isn't it hilarious?

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[quote=CantonLegend;626984]betts is older than portis.....hes right at the age where production drops off right?n[/quote]

The drop off in production for a RB is not just based on age, but age + number of carries. While Betts may be older than Portis, Betts has not had the same number of carries (and therefore the same amount of punishment) than Portis has. So in this particular fact that you are bringing up to "make your case" you are WRONG. Sadly, you'll just laugh it off and put more pictures of clowns or some other crap.

[quote=CantonLegend;626984]betts has less yardage than portis this season even tho betts is clearly better? i dont understand that either[/quote]

Well this is a naive simple-minded argument which I'll disprove, however I'm sure you'll laugh it off or something.

Many people are making the argument that Betts has made a more significant impact with his running this season than Portis has. While Portis (494 yds) may have more yards than Betts' 205 yds. (since he has played more games than Betts); Betts in two games has had a higher per game rushing yard average (4.1, 4.7) than Portis had in the first half of the season, and he has already doubled the number of TDs (2) that Portis scored (1).

[quote=CantonLegend;626984][B]betts was given his chance to be a starter[/B] but since portis' arrival in washington he has yet to relinquish his position[/quote]

Ok, this is where you have to do this moronic thing of being specific about your claims and mention facts that support your argument. So allow me to make the provide the following information:

- Betts was drafted in the Spurrier regime in the 2nd round of the 2002 draft. A RB by the name of Stephen Davis was still the RB during that season.
- In 2003, the team brought Trung Canidate to be the RB (if memory serves me right), Betts only played 9 games that season and ran for 255 yds, almost half of what Canidate produced (600 yds) in 11 games.
- By 2004, Joe Gibbs decided to bring Portis in the blockbuster trade, Betts was a leftover from the Spurrier era.

Now Betts did have the chance to become the starter in 2006 when Portis went down with injury, and had a 1,174 yds season. However, this is when Portis was in his prime, and of course the team would not get rid of Portis at that stage.

So given this information, I don't understand where you see a situation where Betts was even given the chance to be the starter...save for 2006, in a year that he actually gave the front office a reason for him to be the starter.

You keep saying that you have the right to post and express your opinion...this is the only part in which you are correct. It is my opinion that you do not bring any type of educated discussion to this forum. You keep making arguments without any type of facts or other information to back them up, you dismiss any counter arguments made by people, even when they prove you completely wrong.

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[quote=CantonLegend;626980]i never once mentioned that i watched the rams game did i? in fact.....[B]i told you guys which games i did get to watch[/B]

no i didnt watch all of those games and no i had no idea i was going to be having this conversation....i dont watch the redskins like i watch the saints....[B]i watch the redskins because its football......not to analyze them[/B]

you guys are clowns
[img]http://www.gweep.net/~shifty/video/badcompress/8800/clowns.jpg[/img][/quote]

1) a quick look back in the thread will reveal that you were repeatedly asked what games you had watched and you repeatedly dodged the question

2) if you do not watch the Redskins analytically, then why the heck are you wasting our time by sharing your analysis? Worse, why are you so arrogantly and inflexibly asserting the superiority of your analysis?

Please find another team site to plague.

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[quote=Lotus;627041]1) a quick look back in the thread will reveal that you were repeatedly asked what games you had watched and you repeatedly dodged the question

2) if you do not watch the Redskins analytically, then why the heck are you wasting our time by sharing your analysis? Worse, why are you so arrogantly and inflexibly asserting the superiority of your analysis?

Please find another team site to plague.[/quote]

that's funny, he has all the stats but can't --won't-- name one game that he's watched.

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[quote=CantonLegend;626973]lol......ur silly[/quote]

Wow after the Saints spectacular performance against the Rams i thought you would take a break from here. Please go on with your expert analysis.

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[quote=CantonLegend;626939]feel free........blackandgold.com

or i could just tell you that his fumbles are costing the team points, field position, and momentum

he is very talented but his fumbles are very costly......bush has an issue with running up the hole....he tends to try and hit homeruns on every touch rather than just take what he can get.....because of it, he strikes out a lot by getting negative yardage and fumbles[/quote]

In the few games that I've seen of New Orleans, Reggie Bush seemed fine to me. You are completely wrong. I mean he was drafted #2 overall in the 2006 draft. You're just being a Reggie Bush hater.

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[quote=Lotus;627041]1) a quick look back in the thread will reveal that you were repeatedly asked what games you had watched and you repeatedly dodged the question

2) if you do not watch the Redskins analytically, then why the heck are you wasting our time by sharing your analysis? Worse, why are you so arrogantly and inflexibly asserting the superiority of your analysis?

Please find another team site to plague.[/quote]
[quote=12thMan;627042]that's funny, he has all the stats but can't --won't-- name one game that he's watched.[/quote]

[quote=CantonLegend;626963]so really...you havent gotten to see many redskins games?

i dont live in saints TV area.....i do get to see the redskins because the browns cant manage to sell out their games and the redskins games have been against teams that do manage to sell out their games

[B]like new york, atlanta and carolina[/B][/quote]

did i not say which games i watched? sorry....normally i would just talk slow so people like you can understand what im saying

i guess i could try to type it slower.....i guess

nnnnnnneeeeewwwwwwww yyyyyooooooorrrrrrkkkkkk, aaatttllllanntttaaa, and ccaaaarrrrooooooolllllliiiiiinnnnaaaa

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[quote=CantonLegend;626980]i never once mentioned that i watched the rams game did i? in fact.....i told you guys which games i did get to watch

no i didnt watch all of those games and no i had no idea i was going to be having this conversation....i dont watch the redskins like i watch the saints....i watch the redskins because its football......not to analyze them

you guys are clowns
[IMG]http://www.gweep.net/%7Eshifty/video/badcompress/8800/clowns.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

$5 says someone on this site is deathly afraid of clowns and nearly shat themselves when they saw this.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627057]In the few games that I've seen of New Orleans, Reggie Bush seemed fine to me. You are completely wrong. I mean he was drafted #2 overall in the 2006 draft. You're just being a Reggie Bush hater.[/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=CantonLegend;627072]did i not say which games i watched? sorry....normally i would just talk slow so people like you can understand what im saying

i guess i could try to type it slower.....i guess

nnnnnnneeeeewwwwwwww yyyyyooooooorrrrrrkkkkkk, aaatttllllanntttaaa, and ccaaaarrrrooooooolllllliiiiiinnnnaaaa[/quote]

Well it takes slow person to know a slow person, I'm still waiting for your response to your last post about Betts.

Also, I still think you are wrong about Reggie Bush (no response on that either).

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[quote=DynamiteRave;627074]$5 says someone on this site is deathly afraid of clowns and nearly shat themselves when they saw this.[/quote]

I didn't even dare click on the link. Some kids were afraid of monsters under their bed and the bogeyman in their closet...me? I was afraid of Ronald McDonald

By the way, speaking of the Saints. They signed Chris McAlister today and cut...Chase Daniel.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627057]In the few games that I've seen of New Orleans, Reggie Bush seemed fine to me. You are completely wrong. I mean he was drafted #2 overall in the 2006 draft. You're just being a Reggie Bush hater.[/quote]

completely wrong? how so?

reggie has played pretty well with the exception of his fumbles.....tell me again why im wrong?

you're just trying to be facetious but you dont realize that i dont care how much you think you're making fun of me......your team is in shambles....the joke is on you

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[quote=CantonLegend;627082]completely wrong? how so?

reggie has played pretty well with the exception of his fumbles.....tell me again why im wrong?

you're just trying to be facetious but you dont realize that i dont care how much you think you're making fun of me......your team is in shambles....the joke is on you[/quote]

But I've seen a few games, how could that be wrong? You're just being a hater.


On a serious note, where's your response about my reply to your Betts post? I'm still waiting.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627035]The drop off in production for a RB is not just based on age, but age + number of carries. While Betts may be older than Portis, Betts has not had the same number of carries (and therefore the same amount of punishment) than Portis has. So in this particular fact that you are bringing up to "make your case" you are WRONG. Sadly, you'll just laugh it off and put more pictures of clowns or some other crap.[/quote]

lol that was a sarcastic statement based on what your peers are offering up as suggestions for why portis is done.....hes too old.....

portis isnt too old.....there isnt an age limit to be a good running back in the league.....different factors result in decreases in production....i was merely trying to point out how foolish that argument is.....and you responded exactly how i expected thereby proving my point even further

[quote]Well this is a naive simple-minded argument which I'll disprove, however I'm sure you'll laugh it off or something.

Many people are making the argument that Betts has made a more significant impact with his running this season than Portis has. While Portis (494 yds) may have more yards than Betts' 205 yds. (since he has played more games than Betts); Betts in two games has had a higher per game rushing yard average (4.1, 4.7) than Portis had in the first half of the season, and he has already doubled the number of TDs (2) that Portis scored (1).[/quote]

once again....a sarcastic statement....the entire post was sarcasm bro

however, you are using 2 games to prove betts is better than portis? :rofl:

[quote]Ok, this is where you have to do this moronic thing of being specific about your claims and mention facts that support your argument. So allow me to make the provide the following information:

- Betts was drafted in the Spurrier regime in the 2nd round of the 2002 draft. A RB by the name of Stephen Davis was still the RB during that season.
- In 2003, the team brought Trung Canidate to be the RB (if memory serves me right), Betts only played 9 games that season and ran for 255 yds, almost half of what Canidate produced (600 yds) in 11 games.
- By 2004, Joe Gibbs decided to bring Portis in the blockbuster trade, Betts was a leftover from the Spurrier era.

Now Betts did have the chance to become the starter in 2006 when Portis went down with injury, and had a 1,174 yds season. However, this is when Portis was in his prime, and of course the team would not get rid of Portis at that stage.

So given this information, I don't understand where you see a situation where Betts was even given the chance to be the starter...save for 2006, in a year that he actually gave the front office a reason for him to be the starter.[/quote]

betts has been in the league for 8 seasons and has cracked the starting lineup only a handful of times when the real starter has gone down with an injury.........

one thing im curious about tho....wouldnt the coaching staff put the best RB out on the field? if betts was better he would've started over portis.....he doesnt.....shouldnt that tell you something?

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[quote=Ruhskins;627084]But I've seen a few games, how could that be wrong? You're just being a hater.[/quote]

lol i guess you're right......i am a bush hater......ive always been a bush hater.....my g/f and ex g/fs will tell you that i've always hated bush......theres nothing good that ever came from a bush

[quote]On a serious note, where's your response about my reply to your Betts post? I'm still waiting.[/quote]

i can only post replies so fast.....the nonsense spewing from you guys is coming too fast and it takes me awhile to get to all of it

you will get your turn if you sit down and wait patiently.....until then just keep looking up at me with your puppy dog eyes

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[quote=CantonLegend;627087]lol i guess you're right......i am a bush hater......ive always been a bush hater.....my g/f and ex g/fs will tell you that i've always hated bush......theres nothing good that ever came from a bush [/quote]

So you are wrong about the fumbles. Wow, you can get a lot by watching just a handful of games.

Reggie Bush needs to get more carries, I mean the Saints picked him with the #2 for a reason. He looks superb in the handful of games I've watched.

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[quote=CantonLegend;627072]did i not say which games i watched? sorry....normally i would just talk slow so people like you can understand what im saying

i guess i could try to type it slower.....i guess

nnnnnnneeeeewwwwwwww yyyyyooooooorrrrrrkkkkkk, aaatttllllanntttaaa, and ccaaaarrrrooooooolllllliiiiiinnnnaaaa[/quote]

Look, jerk, you were asked many times. You dodged the question repeatedly. You only produced that list under verbal duress. Then you treat us like we are the dicks?

And you continue to make grand claims about the 2009 Redskins despite seeing only a third of their games.

I've never asked for someone to be banned before but please ban this person.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627088]So you are wrong about the fumbles. You're right, you can get a lot by watching just a handful of games.[/quote]

i think we are talking about 2 different bushes

fumbles are costly no matter what team, what player, and what game it is

AP is arguably the best RB in the league and is a fumbling machine....but that doesnt stop him from being a productive back

reggie is productive.....but his fumbles have been costly.....unfortunately, none of our backs have had a ton of luck holding on to the ball including drew brees and because of that reggie has slipped back into the starting lineup

against the falcons and panthers he started showing some aggressive running and started lowering his shoulder to get the tough yards whereas, in the past, he would've ducked out of bounds.....hes a young pup still and he will continue to learn and get better

but i still have no idea what you're trying to say....i agreed with you that bush is a good player even tho i think you were being sarcastic......i wasnt

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[quote=Lotus;627090]Look, jerk, you were asked many times. You dodged the question repeatedly. You only produced that list under verbal duress. Then you treat us like we are the dicks?

And you continue to make grand claims about the 2009 Redskins despite seeing only a third of their games.

I've never asked for someone to be banned before but please ban this person.[/quote]

aw im sorry i didnt mean to hurt your feelings......how about a hug?

[img]http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-kitten-hug.jpg[/img]

i posted the games ive watched earlier in this thread but you guys ignored it.....so i had to post it slower so you guys would catch it......next time read my post the first time so i dont have to repeat myself

remember that i offered up an open invitation to visit my home site.....you all are more than welcome to lurk, troll, post....whatever...and you will not be treated with disrespect

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[quote=CantonLegend;627086]one thing im curious about tho....wouldnt the coaching staff put the best RB out on the field? if betts was better he would've started over portis.....he doesnt.....shouldnt that tell you something?[/quote]

If Betts continues to produce the same way he has, I'm sure the coaching staff would want to put the best RB out on the field. However, Portis happens to have a direct line to the ownership and would run his mouth in the local media about it, which I'm sure you can pick up in the few games you've seen.

I don't think there's a fan that will discredit and ignore the accomplishments that Portis has had as a Redskins. However, we're not being narrow-minded like you are by saying that just because he was great before he should be the starter in a year when injuries/age/faulty o-line/not practicing/etc., etc. have caused him to have a subpar first half of the season.

You just like to fuck with people and come up with your ignorant ramblings about how great he was.

If Portis was healthy and in his past form, there wouldn't even be a discussion. But unfortunately for your piss poor argument, he's not.

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[quote=CantonLegend;627091]i think we are talking about 2 different bushes

fumbles are costly no matter what team, what player, and what game it is

AP is arguably the best RB in the league and is a fumbling machine....but that doesnt stop him from being a productive back

reggie is productive.....but his fumbles have been costly.....unfortunately, none of our backs have had a ton of luck holding on to the ball including drew brees and because of that reggie has slipped back into the starting lineup

against the falcons and panthers he started showing some aggressive running and started lowering his shoulder to get the tough yards whereas, in the past, he would've ducked out of bounds.....hes a young pup still and he will continue to learn and get better

[B]but i still have no idea what you're trying to say....i agreed with you that bush is a good player even tho i think you were being sarcastic......i wasnt[/B][/quote]

Hey, I'm just doing the same thing you are doing in here.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627094]If Betts continues to produce the same way he has, I'm sure the coaching staff would want to put the best RB out on the field. However, Portis happens to have a direct line to the ownership and would run his mouth in the local media about it, which I'm sure you can pick up in the few games you've seen.

I don't think there's a fan that will discredit and ignore the accomplishments that Portis has had as a Redskins. However, we're not being narrow-minded like you are by saying that just because he was great before he should be the starter in a year when injuries/age/faulty o-line/not practicing/etc., etc. have caused him to have a subpar first half of the season.

You just like to fuck with people and come up with your ignorant ramblings about how great he was.

If Portis was healthy and in his past form, there wouldn't even be a discussion. But unfortunately for your piss poor argument, he's not.[/quote]

you're right....hes hurt....which is why hes not playing

however.....i disagree that his affiliation with the owner has anything to do with his playing time and positioning as a starter

it is the coaches call to put the starters on the field......it doesnt matter what the owner says about who he wants to play because it is ultimately the decision of the coach.....zorns job is on the line anyway....the last thing he should be worried about is what the owner has to say about who should start

zorn is taking full advantage of his liberties as a head coach that he still has and one of them is designating starters.....he came in to the team completely unbiased towards which running back should start and selected portis as the feature back.....because he is better.....zorn has no affiliation with portis whatsoever and if portis werent the better of the 2 players, there would be absolutely no reason for zorn to continue to milk that cow

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[quote=CantonLegend;627098]you're right....hes hurt....which is why hes not playing

[B]however.....i disagree that his affiliation with the owner has anything to do with his playing time and positioning as a starter[/B]

it is the coaches call to put the starters on the field......it doesnt matter what the owner says about who he wants to play because it is ultimately the decision of the coach.....zorns job is on the line anyway....the last thing he should be worried about is what the owner has to say about who should start

zorn is taking full advantage of his liberties as a head coach that he still has and one of them is designating starters.....he came in to the team completely unbiased towards which running back should start and selected portis as the feature back.....because he is better.....zorn has no affiliation with portis whatsoever and if portis werent the better of the 2 players, there would be absolutely no reason for zorn to continue to milk that cow[/quote]

Well this is your opinion as an outsider, which is understandable. However, my beef (and many people's beef) with you is that you ignore any arguments made by those in the DC area or who closely follow the team.

In theory, what you said should be the case. It should be the coach's decision to put a player on the field, and not the owner. However, this clearly shows your lack of knowledge of the antics of Dan Snyder.

However, in two separate incidents, Portis had public disagreements with the head coach of the team (one with Gibbs, and the other with Zorn). In both situations, while the coaches were right in their intentions/arguments/actions, it was Portis that came on the winning side of these disagreements (I am too lazy to look up the articles about this).

Once again, you may bring some valid points to an argument, but you shouldn't discredit those of us that may know the team better than a Saints fans. Just like you seem to know more about Reggie Bush than I do.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627099]Well this is your opinion as an outsider, which is understandable. However, my beef (and many people's beef) with you is that you ignore any arguments made by those in the DC area or who closely follow the team.

In theory, what you said should be the case. It should be the coach's decision to put a player on the field, and not the owner. However, this clearly shows your lack of knowledge of the antics of Dan Snyder.

However, in two separate incidents, Portis had public disagreements with the head coach of the team (one with Gibbs, and the other with Zorn). In both situations, while the coaches were right in their intentions/arguments/actions, it was Portis that came on the winning side of these disagreements (I am too lazy to look up the articles about this).

Once again, you may bring some valid points to an argument, but you shouldn't discredit those of us that may know the team better than a Saints fans. Just like you seem to know more about Reggie Bush than I do.[/quote]

i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to carry the team on his back almost single handidly

is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be

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[quote=CantonLegend;627102]i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to [B]carry the team on his back almost single handidly[/B]

[B]is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? [/B]maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be[/quote]

While Portis may have been able to carry the team on his back before, I really don't think he or he should. There is a reason why teams are going to a two-runningback system, and Portis career and his significance to the team can be extended if we adopt that.

I think if Portis is 100% healthy, he should be back, but the team should consider a two-back system such as in Dallas and Carolina. However, I don't think Portis will be 100% healthy this season, and given the dangers of his concussion (especially after seeing what happened to Westbrook).

I think those that want Betts to continue to play are being more realistic to the fact that Portis is not going to help this team while he continues with injury and now with this terrible concussion he's had.

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[quote=CantonLegend;627102]i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to carry the team on his back almost single handidly

is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be[/quote]

Dude you had best be Clinton Portis. Because if you're not, you need to remove your lips from his :nono:

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

im with canton on this. the best players PLAY. even Snyder cant F*** that up, can he? and Betts isn't the best running back on the roster. so why does every one around here always think the back ups are better then the starters? that, and its really easy to switch positions once they come here?

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626980]i never once mentioned that i watched the rams game did i? in fact.....i told you guys which games i did get to watch

no i didnt watch all of those games and no i had no idea i was going to be having this conversation....i dont watch the redskins like i watch the saints....i watch the redskins because its football......[B]not to analyze them[/B]

you guys are clowns
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But thats exactly what you are doing.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=dmek25;627134]im with canton on this. the best players PLAY. even Snyder cant F*** that up, can he? and Betts isn't the best running back on the roster. so why does every one around here always think the back ups are better then the starters? that, and its really easy to switch positions once they come here?[/quote]

Betts is the best back on the roster RIGHT NOW...don't let CP's past stats cloud your judgement about 2009.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;627141]But thats exactly what you are doing.[/quote]

pretty much

back to the issue though i don't understand the whole "can't lose your job to injury" bs that keeps floating around, guess what if some one comes in and out performs what you have been doing then you lose your job. this isn't sick leave in the white collar world, this is the nfl, there are no guarantees.

and personally i think that if you can't practice don't play, that rarely ever works out. it only does when you have physical phenoms like plax, that are that much better than everyone esle, as of now cp isn't

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Ruhskins;626937]Portis is showing the typical decline that RBs have when they hit the 30 year old mark (Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor, LT, Edge James, etc., etc.). I think Curtis Martin was probably one of the few if not the only RB in recent history to have a career season after the age of 30. I don't understand why you insist on ignoring the fact that Portis has a lot of mileage on him given the running philosophy of this team. And speaking of running philosophies, this teams need to adopt and two or three-RB system, otherwise the next young RB that we have will be done before they reach 30 (like Portis).

Portis in a sense is a big baby when it comes to leadership...he has none and sadly he's the face of the franchise. While he is no T.O., or pre-Pats Randy Moss, Portis is a disturbance in the locker room. He has a direct line to the ownership, and that has allowed him to undermine the authority of both Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn. He called out Mike Sellers and threw him under the bus, while he had less rushing TDs than our punter. And ever since he injured his shoulder in the preseason a few years ago, he is probably the only player that doesn't practice.

So you either have a fanatical infatuation with Clinton Portis or you just want to come here to F with people. While no one is denying his successes here in Washington, right now in this season he is not earning his paycheck and can be added to the number of things that is wrong with the team.[/quote]

Once again hating Portis because of something other than football. Go away with this leadership mess. The head coach is supposed to be the leader. Portis was brought here to run the football and not advance your social conservative culture war (which you lost badly btw). There was no problem with leadership when Gibbs was the coach. Who cares if you're mad he doesn't practice. You have a right not to practice when you are carrying the whole offense on your shoulders, and taking a freaking beating every week. Portis carried us after Sean Taylor died. Yet, some people claim it was Collins. Portis is getting no credit for what he does and blame because he does not fit the image you would like to see. I say keep sacrificing your body to advance that pigskin and you have done your job Clinton.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;627142]Betts is the best back on the roster RIGHT NOW...don't let CP's past stats cloud your judgement about 2009.[/quote]
would we agree that the skins Oline that played this week was probably the best line they have to offer? lets see what Portis does behind that line before you go and make wild statements. Betts is at best a career back up