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[quote=Gmanc711;641274]What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway? [/quote]

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!

[quote]This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8[/quote]

What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.[/QUOTE]

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.

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[quote=skinster;641331]I agree that our FO needed a makeover, but Im just trying to say that [B]this makeover sucks[/B]. We should have gotten somebody signifacantly more qualified, somebody that didnt turn his recent superbowl champions into THE WORST team in football.[/quote]

How can you say that without seeing the results?

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[quote=skinster;641331]I agree that our FO needed a makeover, but Im just trying to say that this makeover sucks. We should have gotten somebody signifacantly more qualified, somebody that didnt turn his recent superbowl champions[B] into THE WORST team in football[/B].[/quote]

I thought that title belonged to the Skins from week 9 last year to week 8 this year.

Seriously, the makeover is not even close to done, I would recommend patience and see what else happens. Bruce Allen may not be your top guy, but he atleast is recognized as a top candidate in many places, and is not a crony of Snyder, so let's see how it all plays out.

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[quote=jsarno;641333][B]Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly! [/B]



What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.[/quote]

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!

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Gruden vs Shanahan? Easy...Shanahan!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;641327]Ok, All i meant is in your showing the w/l record, i didn't see 2007, and i wondered what that was. But I agree 100%. Gibbs only won 3 SB, but what mattered is every year, almost, the Redskins were relevant and feared. I would like to get back to that.[/quote]

Yeah, I caught that... my bad.

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[quote=Beemnseven;641326]One thing to mention about that -- the Glazer family had previously extended the contract of both Gruden and Bruce Allen before ultimately changing their mind after the '08 season. The Bucs did start out 9-3 before a late season slide.

It might have been a bit of a snap decision on the Glazer's part, and one that cost them quite a bit of money.

Allen's draft record with Tampa Bay did have some mixed results, but look at the drafts of Oakland too. Nnamdi Asomugha, Justin Fargas, and Sebastian Janikowski are notable picks by him.

I don't think there was a general manager candidate out there without some misses on their draft record. The guy with a perfect track record doesn't exist. Aside from Bill Polian, who as far as I know is not available, Allen had to be one of the top options who was currently unemployed.[/quote]

Yeah every GM has misses, but was Allen the best available guy? I don't think he was. When the news broke I thought Casserly was gonna be back in but he's getting old and he seems to like appearing on CSN. This move should've been made last year and we might've gotten Pioli from NE, but I think anything is better than Vinny so I'm cautiously optimistic.

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How long till we sign Jeff Garcia?

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[quote=Gmanc711;641339]Yeah, I caught that... my bad.[/quote]

funny thing is right after I posted mine, I saw your edit. Made me laugh :)

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I think Allen is qualified to be a GM. We're getting a guy that really knows football. That's something that this organization hasn't had in a long time.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641250]My money's on Morocco Brown and Tony Dungy.[/quote]
I think that if Dungy was one that Snyder did a hell of a job keeping it out of the media.

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[quote=Gmanc711;641336]

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!![/quote]

Oh, ok...gotcha.

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MSchottenheimer on Sirius:

"Dan is not a meddlesome owner" , lambasts VC, "Dan will often time listen to the wrong people". Agreed that this is a good time to make the change. "Hard for me to speculate on [HC decision]", lots of praise for BA. "At this juncture, I think it is an excellent choice" "this would be a example of DS listening to the right voice" "right now in my mind these two decisions represent a quantum step forward, because DS recognized he wasn't getting what he deserved from the FO"

A lot of good thoughts.

I typed as I was listening so hope it makes sense.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641306]I think Vinny showed his true colors by dissing Zorn like that.[/quote]

I agree and that's exactly the reason I never liked VC. He's known to not be very personable. There's no need to take a shot at Zorn like that on the way out. Oh well, he's gone and thank god we don't have to talk about him anymore.

I think Bruce Allen is an excellent choice. He's built winners in two places, he has ties to the area and the skins, and he's fairly young. I think DS did very well.

Shanahan is a winner folks. You can't do alot better than him. Gruden is a winner too. I'm happy w/ either of the two. Hell, i'd be happy hiring a young guy like Brian S or Kyle S. It's a good day for Skins fans.

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Marty and Cower are bffl's, and I am sure Marty told him not to touch Washington with a 100 foot pole.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/310335-tah-gruden-to-be-next-redskins-head-coach?utm_campaign=buzztap&utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter]T.A.H.: GRUDEN TO BE NEXT REDSKINS HEAD COACH | Bleacher Report[/url]

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Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.

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I think there could still be Shanahan type figure, who has absolute control, and Allen would be the figure-head.

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[quote=reppinredskins;641352][URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/310335-tah-gruden-to-be-next-redskins-head-coach?utm_campaign=buzztap&utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter"]T.A.H.: GRUDEN TO BE NEXT REDSKINS HEAD COACH | Bleacher Report[/URL][/quote]
Their reasoning being the ties to Allen; this very well may happen but there's not even a "source" for this information.

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went to bed reeeeeeeeeeealll late last night but am up and VERY VERY VERY VERY HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641354]

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. [/quote]
Reminds me more of Gibbs than Vinny honestly.

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I'm not going to base my opinion solely on what happen with the Bucs. We just hired the guy and I will wait and see what he does for us. I can careless about who he drafted when he was with the Bucs and Raiders. One thing I know about Allen is that he knows how to put together a roster.

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George Allen was the same way. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641354]Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.[/quote]

Well, I do share in your thoughts that it's not a slam dunk like everyone says, however, I do not think this is cerrato 2.0. It's a move in the right direction. Love the lineage to George Allen too. I think Gruden knows what he's doing...he did after all bring two different teams to the SB and won 1.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641354]Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.[/quote] How many division titles did he win during that time period?

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[quote=tryfuhl;641366]Reminds me more of Gibbs than Vinny honestly.[/quote]

That was my feeling as well, except with better clock management.

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[quote=Landry44;641367]I'm not going to base my opinion solely on what happen with the Bucs. We just hired the guy and I will wait and see what he does for us. I can careless about who he drafted when he was with the Bucs and Raiders. One thing I know about Allen is that he knows how to put together a roster.[/quote]

No he doesnt. The bucs roster was never very talented. And I don't see how you can say you can care less about who he drafted but that he knows how to build a roster - the two go hand in hand. ALLEN IS [B][U]NOT[/U][/B] A PERSONEL GUY. He sucked at drafting and building a roster. He just agreed with whatever Gruden wanted. Thats why he and Gruden were dismissed in the first place. Consider this - Glazer is the cheapest owner in the NFL. Allen and Gruden had just signed huge contract extensions and yet Glazer got rid of them anyway. THAT is very telling.

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Beathard said he likes the move.. also this mentioned that he had talked about a return to DC

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/beathard_its_a_terrific_move.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Beathard: "It's a terrific move"[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641380]No he doesnt. The bucs roster was never very talented. And I don't see how you can say you can care less about who he drafted but that he knows how to build a roster - the two go hand in hand. ALLEN IS [B][U]NOT[/U][/B] A PERSONEL GUY. He sucked at drafting and building a roster. He just agreed with whatever Gruden wanted. Thats why he and Gruden were dismissed in the first place. Consider this - Glazer is the cheapest owner in the NFL. Allen and Gruden had just signed huge contract extensions and yet Glazer got rid of them anyway. THAT is very telling.[/quote]

What about Oakland's roster? Like I said, let the guy do some work. Shit, do you want Vinny back here then? No. And maybe other people were not available. So just let it work out. Crap, is like damn if they do and damn if they don't. I'm not thinking Super Bowl right now, but shit, this is a different guy who's in a different team with a different owner.

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[quote=Landry44;641375]How many division titles did he win during that time period?[/quote]

The NFC-South was the worst division in football during that time period. Winning the division twice in five years is no feat. And in both instances where they won the division, they lost in the wild card game. Gruden/Allen's regualr season record in Tampa Bay together was 38-42. If a 0.475 percentage winning record is something to get excited about, then we've got problems. If Snyder thinks hiring Allen and reuniting him with Gruden will win over the fans, and he succeeds in doing so - then its a testament to the stupidity of the fanbase more than anything else.

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There's really no telling who else was talked to. I'm sure that Snyder consulted with some people on this move, I'm sure he also likes the Allen name though as well; I wouldn't mind seeing a list of other candidates.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641380]No he doesnt. The bucs roster was never very talented. And I don't see how you can say you can care less about who he drafted but that he knows how to build a roster - the two go hand in hand. ALLEN IS [B][U]NOT[/U][/B] A PERSONEL GUY. He sucked at drafting and building a roster. He just agreed with whatever Gruden wanted. Thats why he and Gruden were dismissed in the first place. Consider this - Glazer is the cheapest owner in the NFL. Allen and Gruden had just signed huge contract extensions and [B]yet Glazer got rid of them anyway[/B]. THAT is very telling.[/quote]

They were 9-7 that season, so it was more on the ownership then on Allen Gruden. But really, lets at least give the plan time to develop. If the next few pieces don't reflect a change in plan then criticize away.

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[quote=Ruhskins;641383]What about Oakland's roster? Like I said, let the guy do some work. Shit, do you want Vinny back here then? No. And maybe other people were not available. So just let it work out. Crap, is like damn if they do and damn if they don't. I'm not thinking Super Bowl right now, but shit, this is a different guy who's in a different team with a different owner.[/quote]

Honestly, i'd rather have kept Vinny than hire Allen and pair him with Gruden if thats what we end up doing. Atleast Vinny was a personnel guy. The man drafted pretty darn well. "GrudAll" didnt. Thier draft record speaks for itself.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641354]Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.[/quote]


Seriously can you give the guy at least a day. I think some folks are just happy to have something to complain about.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641380]No he doesnt. The bucs roster was never very talented. And I don't see how you can say you can care less about who he drafted but that he knows how to build a roster - the two go hand in hand. ALLEN IS [B][U]NOT[/U][/B] A PERSONEL GUY. He sucked at drafting and building a roster. He just agreed with whatever Gruden wanted. Thats why he and Gruden were dismissed in the first place. Consider this - Glazer is the cheapest owner in the NFL. Allen and Gruden had just signed huge contract extensions and yet Glazer got rid of them anyway. THAT is very telling.[/quote]
He does know how to put together a roster. He won division championships with both Oakland and Tampa Bay. You can't base how he will perform here based on how he performed in other places. If that was the case then Vinny would have worked out here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641384][B]The NFC-South was the worst division in football during that time period. [/B] Winning the division twice in five years is no feat. And in both instances where they won the division, they lost in the wild card game. Gruden/Allen's regualr season record in Tampa Bay together was 38-42. If a 0.475 percentage winning record is something to get excited about, then we've got problems. If Snyder thinks hiring Allen and reuniting him with Gruden will win over the fans, and he succeeds in doing so - then its a testament to the stupidity of the fanbase more than anything else.[/quote]

Actually since 2002, outside of the NFC East, the NFC South has sent the most teams to the playoffs as wild card teams (3), compared to the NFC North (1), and the NFC West (2). And it seems that in the NFC South the teams have beaten each other up a lot, given that they've taken turns taking the division championship: Tampa Bay (3), Carolina (2), New Orleans (2), and Atlanta (1).

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641389]Honestly, i'd rather have kept Vinny than hire Allen and pair him with Gruden if thats what we end up doing. Atleast Vinny was a personnel guy. The man drafted pretty darn well. "GrudAll" didnt. Thier draft record speaks for itself.[/quote]

You're very very alone with your Vinny love.

There is no question that he was a loner, a yes man, and a prick in a job that requires the exact opposite in order to be successful. Seems to me we have plenty of great "personnel guys" in our organization and what we need is a good manager to make it work.

If VC is as good as you say he is, he'll find employment elsewhere in the NFL. In the meantime, good riddance.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641389]Honestly, i'd rather have kept Vinny than hire Allen and pair him with Gruden if thats what we end up doing. Atleast Vinny was a personnel guy. The man drafted pretty darn well. "GrudAll" didnt. Thier draft record speaks for itself.[/quote]

And division titles nor SB appearances matter? Seriously man, just give it up and let the guy do something here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641384]The NFC-South was the worst division in football during that time period. Winning the division twice in five years is no feat. And in both instances where they won the division, they lost in the wild card game. Gruden/Allen's regualr season record in Tampa Bay together was 38-42. If a 0.475 percentage winning record is something to get excited about, then we've got problems. If Snyder thinks hiring Allen and reuniting him with Gruden will win over the fans, and he succeeds in doing so - then its a testament to the stupidity of the fanbase more than anything else.[/quote] The point is they won division championships in this decade. We haven't one a division title since 99. Right now, I don't know what this guy is going to do. But, what I do know is that he has had some success in this league. I'm willing to give this guy an opportunity to see what he does. He hasn't been on the job for a day and you're already declaring him a failure.

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Vinny needed to go. Time will tell with Allen, but I don't understand how anyone can seriously say they would rather stick with Vinny.

People throw around the word "cancer" too often when referring to players who are bad apples, but in this case I think cancer is a good word to describe what Vinny had become to the Redskins organization.

Yes the move to bring in Sherm Lewis appears to have paid off, but the way the whole thing went down was just pathetic. To strip a head coach of his play calling duties midseason was ridiculous. And on the way out the door he conveniently thanks every coach except for the one he hired. Again, totally ridiculous. When asked if he thought the team had a playoff roster, he said yes, insinuating that Zorn was the one that botched it.

Allen from what I've read is much more personable and is well respected around the league. I think he's going to be a much needed breath of fresh air to the Redskins front office.