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[quote=Ruhskins;644371]Any chance a firing happening this week? Just wondering if Zorn doesn't get fired this means that Allen is indeed calling the shots and not Snyder (who would typically make a knee jerk decision and fire Zorn after such an embarrassing loss).[/quote]

i would guess that zorn is fired tomorrow... i think that they (snyder, allen, et al) are trying to get the sour taste of the season out of the fans' mouths at this point, with the goal, among others, to get fans out to these last two home games... cerrato retires this week and the euphoria takes people to the stadium for the big monday nighter... now, after getting murdered on national tv, firing zorn, making someone like sherm smith and jerry gray the interim head coach, and announcing shannahan or whomever as the new head coach next season brings a little more hope/goodwill to get folks out to the cowboys game... the point is not losing fan-generated revenue from those games from poor attendance...

also, firing zorn tomorrow gives you a head start on getting the new coach hired before the end of the season and avoiding a possible bidding war... you can't hire a HC without firing the old one.... technically...

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Someone needs to go after that final play before the haft!

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[quote=poopoobigelow;644382]i would guess that zorn is fired tomorrow... i think that they (snyder, allen, et al) are trying to get the sour taste of the season out of the fans' mouths at this point, with the goal, among others, to get fans out to these last two home games... cerrato retires this week and the euphoria takes people to the stadium for the big monday nighter... now, after getting murdered on national tv, firing zorn, making someone like sherm smith and jerry gray the interim head coach, and announcing shannahan or whomever as the new head coach next season brings a little more hope/goodwill to get folks out to the cowboys game... the point is not losing fan-generated revenue from those games from poor attendance...

[B]also, firing zorn tomorrow gives you a head start on getting the new coach hired before the end of the season and avoiding a possible bidding war... you can't hire a HC without firing the old one.... technically...[/B][/quote]

Good point. They should go ahead and fire Zorn then. No sense in having this cat and mouse game in regards to coach interviews.

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The situation has simply become too much of a distraction. IMO we have NO CHANCE of putting up a respectable performance on SNF if Zorn's still the coach. At this point, why wouldn't Zorn be fired? Zorn has already proven that he's not going to quit, allowing Snyder to refrain from paying him his 2010 contract. If Allen really wants to evaluate the players in the remaining two games, he needs to take this weight off their shoulders ASAP so they can focus on football.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644272]Always trust Schefter when it comes to Shanahan[/quote]

I realize most people view florio as a joke, but i think he made a good point when he speculated that because of Schefter's relationship with Shanahan, he's putting out the word that Shanahan isn't interest in Dallas due to the control issues there in order to force Dallas' hand to give him what he wants. The report can be spun either way.

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I think Schefter is a professional and wouldn't be leaking false news to help out a buddy. I think Florio is reaching with that.

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[quote=Mattyk;644531]I think Schefter is a professional and wouldn't be leaking false news to help out a buddy. I think Florio is reaching with that.[/quote]

And Florio is a joke...you would never see Schefter dropping the f-bomb whenever the stuff he reports gets refuted (he did it when his news about a Portis-Zorn spat turned out to be false).

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[quote=redskins5044;643840]yet again the big name guy.[/quote]

I have to ask who you would prefer also...

Spurrier was not a big named coach. He was supposed to be the big up and comer out of college which is why we got him. He failed miserably.

Zorn was supposed to be the non big name up and comer offensively. Supposedly other coach's in the league said Zorn would be a great pick for OC. He was going to be a great minded coach. Unfortunatly we picked up and moved him to HC.

Now it sounds like you want the GM to make the call.....what if he picks a big name? or a no name? will you be satisfied knowing finally DS is doing it the right way and allowing a GM to build a team or are you going to complain for what ever reason? I mean I prefer Schottenheimer. I don't see us picking him. I prefer Gruden next, but he's supposedly tied up in his contract.

But I'm atleast happy the team is finally going to do it the right way hopefully by picking a GM.

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[quote=Mattyk;644531]I think Schefter is a professional and wouldn't be leaking false news to help out a buddy. I think Florio is reaching with that.[/quote]

It wouldnt necessarily be false - he would just be repeating what Shanahan told him.

[quote=SBXVII;644565]
Now it sounds like you want the GM to make the call.....what if he picks a big name? or a no name? will you be satisfied knowing finally DS is doing it the right way and allowing a GM to build a team or are you going to complain for what ever reason? I mean I prefer Schottenheimer. I don't see us picking him. I prefer Gruden next, but he's supposedly tied up in his contract.

But I'm atleast happy the team is finally going to do it the right way hopefully by picking a GM.[/quote]

I sure hope we get Shanahan or another experienced head coach who also has a fairly good track record in acquiring personnel because Allen's history in that department is pretty bad. Tampa Bay's draft picks under his tenure as GM were below mediocre (Al Davis made personnel decisions in Oakland.) Hopefully, Allen recognizes his own strengths and limitations and will pick a head coach who complements his own skill set. Shanahan would be a great fit in this regard.

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No one answered me the first time yesterday so I'll ask again.

I know it's never happened before but could/can DS tell Zorn he's moving him to QB coach?

If DS fires Zorn he still owes him for next year which is like 3 mill. I guess it's chump change for him but was wondering because if DS can tell Zorn he's moving him to QB one of two things will happen

1) Zorn stays and makes 3 mill at QB coach, which he's actually good at and is humiliated by being demoted. or....
2) Zorn says no way and resigns. Meaning he leaves and DS does not owe him a thing.

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[quote=SBXVII;644572]No one answered me the first time yesterday so I'll ask again.

[B]I know it's never happened before but could/can DS tell Zorn he's moving him to QB coach?[/B]

If DS fires Zorn he still owes him for next year which is like 3 mill. I guess it's chump change for him but was wondering because if DS can tell Zorn he's moving him to QB one of two things will happen

1) Zorn stays and makes 3 mill at QB coach, which he's actually good at and is humiliated by being demoted. or....
2) Zorn says no way and resigns. Meaning he leaves and DS does not owe him a thing.[/quote]

Can he re-assign him to a different position w/o Zorn's consent? I would highly doubt it. I'm sure any NFL contract wouldn't allow such a thing.

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[quote=SBXVII;644572]No one answered me the first time yesterday so I'll ask again.

I know it's never happened before but could/can DS tell Zorn he's moving him to QB coach?

If DS fires Zorn he still owes him for next year which is like 3 mill. I guess it's chump change for him but was wondering because if DS can tell Zorn he's moving him to QB one of two things will happen

1) Zorn stays and makes 3 mill at QB coach, which he's actually good at and is humiliated by being demoted. or....
2) Zorn says no way and resigns. Meaning he leaves and DS does not owe him a thing.[/quote]

Interesting idea, but i see two problems with it.

1) By all reports, DS told Allen he would step back and Allen's contract garauntees him full control. Whoever Allen hires as head coach will not want the previous HC within 100 miles of Redskins Park. It would create too many problems and has ZERO chance of working.
2) For all intents and purposes, Zorn has already been stripped of every bit of dignity he had, yet he didn't quit. There's no way Zorn would quit this job. In his three year contract, he's undoubtably made more money than he has his entire career. his wife would undoubtably kill him.

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Question, Why is this thread title "Shanahan to DC done deal" when it definitley isn't, Zorns still our head coach, and who knows shanahan could take the job somewhere else. My point is NOTHING is definite yet.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;644581]Interesting idea, but i see two problems with it.

1) By all reports, DS told Allen he would step back and Allen's contract garauntees him full control. Whoever Allen hires as head coach will not want the previous HC within 100 miles of Redskins Park. It would create too many problems and has ZERO chance of working.
2) For all intents and purposes, Zorn has already been stripped of every bit of dignity he had, yet he didn't quit. There's no way Zorn would quit this job. In his three year contract, he's undoubtably made more money than he has his entire career. his wife would undoubtably kill him.[/quote]

I agree, I don't see the point in keeping Zorn around, or anyone else on the staff for that matter. Let's cut all ties and wipe the slate clean.

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[quote=Mattyk;644599]I agree, I don't see the point in keeping Zorn around, or anyone else on the staff for that matter. Let's cut all ties and wipe the slate clean.[/quote]

I would like to get rid of everyone, except for Kirk Olivadotti and Danny Smith. The rest can go bye, bye.

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[quote=Mattyk;644599]I agree, I don't see the point in keeping Zorn around, or anyone else on the staff for that matter. Let's cut all ties and wipe the slate clean.[/quote]

i think thats in order at seaons end...hey zorn thanks for trying but last night took the cake for me . dreadful just down right dreadful.

i mean i,m speechless ,i,m without words,WOW.

good luck to you bruce allen cause we are pulling for you to starighten this mess out and last night you now know first hand what it is going to take.

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Why wouldn't they fire Zorn now and bring in a new head coach? Why not? They're going to fire him anyway. Let the new coach start bringing in people now. The last two games could be to see who makes the team.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;644620]Why wouldn't they fire Zorn now and bring in a new head coach? Why not? They're going to fire him anyway. Let the new coach start bringing in people now. The last two games could be to see who makes the team.[/quote]

Most of the assistant coaches are on other teams. We would have to wait till the seasons over to interview them.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;644616]I would like to get rid of everyone, except for Kirk Olivadotti and Danny Smith. The rest can go bye, bye.[/quote]


Why would you want to keep Danny Smith?
Have we had one return cross midfield?

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Danny Smith has done a good job of devising special teams plays. I like the guy.

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[quote=jamf;644622]Most of the assistant coaches are on other teams. We would have to wait till the seasons over to interview them.[/quote]

True, but the new coach could also see which coaches on our roster are worthy of keeping. Call me crazy, but I say none of them.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;644624]Danny Smith has [B]done a good job of devising special teams plays[/B]. I like the guy.[/quote]
like the one from last nights game? or how he trots out A.R.E to return punts? Smith needs to join the rest of these lame ducks

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[quote=SBXVII;644565]I have to ask who you would prefer also...

Spurrier was not a big named coach. He was supposed to be the big up and comer out of college which is why we got him. He failed miserably.

Zorn was supposed to be the non big name up and comer offensively. Supposedly other coach's in the league said Zorn would be a great pick for OC. He was going to be a great minded coach. Unfortunatly we picked up and moved him to HC.

Now it sounds like you want the GM to make the call.....what if he picks a big name? or a no name? will you be satisfied knowing finally DS is doing it the right way and allowing a GM to build a team or are you going to complain for what ever reason? I mean I prefer Schottenheimer. I don't see us picking him. I prefer Gruden next, but he's supposedly tied up in his contract.

[B]But I'm atleast happy the team is finally going to do it the right way hopefully by picking a GM.[/B][/quote]

I agree that Snyder backing the eff off is great thing. I was listening to 980 early this morning, and Hanrahan was saying that Bruce Allen's job won't really be personnel. He's going to be an administrative guy, handling organizational structure, player contracts, things of that nature.

As far as picking players, they were saying that will be in large part Mike Shanahan's job. That concerns me a bit. He wasn't a great personnel guy in Denver by any means. Shanahan will also likely be team president. I guess I'm worried about how expansive his role will be. I'm much rather he just coach, but then again if that's all we wanted from him we probably couldn't get him.

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You know, one of the big fears i had about Shanahan is that he'd get rid of our defensive coaching staff, but at this point, i think all our coaches need to go. Haynesworth and Orakpo are grossly mis-used. Our DBs - many of whome are talented - can't cover at all. I agree its time to completely clean house. I think Kirk Olivadotti and Jerry Gray have bright futures... but i think a complete staff overhaul is necessary to "right the ship."

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;644633]You know, one of the big fears i had about Shanahan is that he'd get rid of our defensive coaching staff, but at this point, i think all our coaches need to go. Haynesworth and Orakpo are grossly mis-used. Our DBs - many of whome are talented - can't cover at all. I agree its time to completely clean house. I think Kirk Olivadotti and Jerry Gray have bright futures... but i think a complete staff overhaul is necessary to "right the ship."[/quote]

I think Blache lost his job last night.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;644644]I think Blache lost his job last night.[/quote]

i hope you're right.

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[quote=GMScud;644630]I agree that Snyder backing the eff off is great thing. I was listening to 980 early this morning, and Hanrahan was saying that Bruce Allen's job won't really be personnel. He's going to be an administrative guy, handling organizational structure, player contracts, things of that nature.

As far as picking players, they were saying that will be in large part Mike Shanahan's job. That concerns me a bit. He wasn't a great personnel guy in Denver by any means. Shanahan will also likely be team president. I guess I'm worried about how expansive his role will be. I'm much rather he just coach, but then again if that's all we wanted from him we probably couldn't get him.[/quote]

Allen will have two main focuses. First get rid of all the dead weight on the team. Then he will make sure the coach gets what they need, which is not always the same thing as what they want. Gruden has talked about this before. How he and Allen would go back and forth a lot because Allen was determined to make sure Gruden had the right players he needed, but not always what he wanted.

I'd also prefer that Shanahan just coach, but as you say it's not possible to just get him as head coach. I'm curious to see what happens with the staff below Allen.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;644644]I think Blache lost his job last night.[/quote]


I hope your right. We have a lot of talent in that secondary and they have looked pathetic recently.

I am convinced that almost all of our secondary problems are coaching. Landry needs fundamental retraining. He is missing tackles by two yards.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;644627]True, but the new coach could also see which coaches on our roster are worthy of keeping. Call me crazy, but I say none of them.[/quote]

Nobody is going to come in with 2 games left. Trying to make a transition right now would be a total cluster F.

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[quote=Mattyk;644716]Nobody is going to come in with 2 games left. [B]Trying to make a transition right now would be a total cluster F[/B].[/quote]

So what's the difference?

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[quote=SmootSmack;644652]Allen will have two main focuses. First get rid of all the dead weight on the team. Then he will make sure the coach gets what they need, which is not always the same thing as what they want. Gruden has talked about this before. How he and Allen would go back and forth a lot because Allen was determined to make sure Gruden had the right players he needed, but not always what he wanted.

I'd also prefer that Shanahan just coach, but as you say it's not possible to just get him as head coach. I'm curious to see what happens with the staff below Allen.[/quote]

Right now, we've got picks in rounds 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 in the 2010 draft. Compensatory picks aside, I wonder what we'll have on draft day. Some guys will be cut outright, but I also think we'll see some "surprising" trades (and i'm not just talking about Cooley or Davis).

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[quote=dmek25;644629]like the one from last nights game? or how he trots out A.R.E to return punts? Smith needs to join the rest of these lame ducks[/quote]
Danny Smith isn't the only guy picking who returns punts.. and he's saved Zorn's ass a few times this year with game/clock management.

I'd keep him, Olivadaotti (guy has been around through several coaches so he's probably pretty decent), maybe Gray, and Wachenheim.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;644723]So what's the difference?[/quote]
The difference? Not trying to make somebody come in and actually have to show effort in 2 meaningless games. Way to totally stick the new guy with a huge task. Let what's here finish out and then get a guy in ASAP.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;644723]So what's the difference?[/quote]

It would be a cluster F on top of a cluster F.

We've got enough drama.

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[quote=Mattyk;644754][B]It would be a cluster F on top of a cluster F. [/B]

We've got enough drama.[/quote]

That's what I saw last night before I turned the game off early in third quarter. Hey, I really don't give a damn though? Someone let me know when the Redskins are a real football team again.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;644644]I think Blache lost his job last night.[/quote]

I sure as hell hope so.

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[quote=Mattyk;643381]CP wanted more money in Denver but I'm not sure how much animosity, if any, there was between Shanahan and Portis because of that. Does anyone have the scoop?[/quote]

Portis spoke today about Shanahan

[url]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/portis-gives-shanahan-a-thumbs.html?wprss=redskinsinsider[/url]

The ink is all but dry on Shanahan by the way, barring a drastic last minute change, he will be our next head coach

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[quote=SmootSmack;644818]Portis spoke today about Shanahan

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/portis-gives-shanahan-a-thumbs.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Portis gives Shanahan a 'thumbs-up vote'[/url]

The ink is all but dry on Shanahan by the way, barring a drastic last minute change, he will be our next head coach[/quote]

I personally think Portis is full of s**t. I look at it as him kissing up to Shanahan. If CP stays he'll probably practice like he should have been the entire time he's been here. Then he'll have a good year and it'll look like it's Zorns fault for not using him like he should have, or he'll blame the line we had this year instead of taking any responsibility as usual. I understand I'm pissed after the game, but I've been tired of his BS for a long time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644818]

The ink is all but dry on Shanahan by the way, barring a drastic last minute change, he will be our next head coach[/quote]

That makes me pretty happy.

I wouldn't have been surprised to see Shanny run the opposite direction after that shit show last night.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644818]Portis spoke today about Shanahan

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/portis-gives-shanahan-a-thumbs.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Portis gives Shanahan a 'thumbs-up vote'[/url]

The ink is all but dry on Shanahan by the way, barring a drastic last minute change, he will be our next head coach[/quote]

that's absolutely great news. thanks for updating us.

So when you say the ink is all but dry, does that mean he has actually signed some sort of secret paperwork, or have he and "SnydAll" simply reached an agreement in principle?

I doubt the former is true, so if the later, do you have any idea what the terms of the contral will be (i.e. years/dollars/control/title(s), etc.)?

If the former is true, then have the skins somehow found a way to satisfy the rooney rule even though there is no head coaching vacancy at present?