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[quote=GTripp0012;680063]A 4% difference is about a ball and a half difference per game, all else equal.

If McNabb were as accurate as Campbell's completion percentage suggests he is, I would estimate that's about 2 or 3 more touchdowns over the course of the season.

That's a big difference, all else equal. Granted, that doesn't cover the skill gap between Philadelphia's defense and say, our defense, but if McNabb was a career 63% passer, he'd be one of the most efficient players in NFL history. As is, he's been a quality player who dropped off from pro-bowl level after about his sixth year in the NFL, when he dropped from a 500-600 rushing yd/year guy to a 150ish rushing yard per year guy. I don't know if I'd consider being the third QB at this years' pro-bowl after Favre and Brees dropped an honor, but McNabb is still roughly the 6th best quarterback in his conference. Campbell, of course, would be the 7th.

A move to Kolb may just be the Eagles [I]hoping[/I] he can be Drew Brees or Kurt Warner in their offense (what he will have to be to represent an upgrade), but if they want to get the most out of guys like Jackson and Maclin, it almost has to be done. I don't think I'm expecting Kolb to upgrade their QB position, but the offense that Donovan once owned is pretty much long gone. He's merely the last holdover at this point.

Plus as strange as it sounds, Kolb probably offers a lot more value with his feet than McNabb does.[/quote]

Hey Matty......TA DAAAAAAAAAA. :) lol. All I could think of was the father from Family Guy.

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[quote=hooskins;679819]Seriously, they have no idea what it feels like to be searching for a QB for 15 years lol[/quote]

Well we did have Brad Johnson in 1999 then Todd Collins in the last half of 2007 but other then that we really have been looking for a QB for a while.

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Acutally, the criticism that Campbell's completion percentage is inflated does have some merit. Campbell attempted 302 passes that traveled 10 yards or fewer.
McNabb only attempted 223 passes that traveled 10 yards or less.

Last time I checked, 60% is much larger than 50%.

A fine example of how stats can be used to mislead.

Not only that, McNabb was more efficient than Campbell; he obtained his numbers with far fewer attempts.

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How can a redskin fan not know how frikkin often JC checked down this past season. Which does bring up this interesting question.....If he had enough time to go thru all options then check down to HB/FB, which he did a ridiculous amount this past year, how many of those sacks are a product of him holding the ball too long, or him running strait into his lineman or a defender? If he had the ball for that long, why didnt he pull the trigger and try downfield once in a while? Did he even go thru his progressions, or did he go strait to the dump off? I think the latter, given his happy feet......


We need to get rid of JC and find another option for our future at QB. He has had ample time to get something going, and has shown nuthing but mediocrity. How many QB's only WISHED they got 5 seasons worth of chances to run an offense. We need to try to get as much value out of him as possible, and watch him underachieve elsewhere. that is why they made NFL sunday ticket. Just not at our field, not anymore at least.

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[quote=Buster;680018]I like playing the stats game. :)


McNabb - 267/443, 60.3%, sacked 35 times, 140 rush yards
Campbell - 327/507, 64.5% sacked 43 times, 236 rush yards


JC - more accurate passer, better runner, despite having a far worse offensive line and no weapon like DeSean Jackson.[/quote]


Here is a stat for you that actually matters.

Redskins - 4 wins
Eagles - 11 wins

Redskins v Eagles head to head - 0-2

So prop up JC vs McNabb all you want statistically. The results are comical when compared.

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I'm amazed at how bad arguments on both sides of the JC debate continue to be rehashed again and again.

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Take this with a grain of salt. According to TMZ, Donovan McNabb would refuse a trade to the Oakland Raiders. The also mentioned that the 49ers are interested in McNabb. Possibly SF is that mystery third team they were talking about, who didn't want their current QB to know that they're in the market for another QB.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;680142]I'm amazed at how bad arguments on both sides of the JC debate continue to be rehashed again and again.[/quote]

It's like watching two elderly guys fight. Boring, predictable, and neither side can land a knockout punch.

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I think most people can admit that Campbell is not the single problem holding us back, but he is an integral part of what is currently wrong with the roster...

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[quote=Mattyk;680211]It's like watching two elderly guys fight. Boring, predictable, and neither side can land a knockout punch.[/quote]


LOL! Thank you I was having a tough morning.


Basically in my mind he is our QB until further notice, end of story.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;680206]Take this with a grain of salt. According to TMZ, Donovan McNabb would refuse a trade to the Oakland Raiders. The also mentioned that the 49ers are interested in McNabb. Possibly SF is that mystery third team they were talking about, who didn't want their current QB to know that they're in the market for another QB.[/quote]


TMZ is now reporting sports news???? Seriously???? That site is so stupid.

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[quote=Mattyk;680211]It's like watching two elderly guys fight. Boring, predictable, and neither side can land a knockout punch.[/quote]

lol! That sounds like something from a south park episode! They had the "cripple fight" episode, maybe they'll a sr. citizen brawl someday.

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[quote=mredskins;680219]TMZ is now reporting sports news???? Seriously???? That site is so stupid.[/quote]

blame it on Reggie & Kim.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;680206]Take this with a grain of salt. According to TMZ, Donovan McNabb would refuse a trade to the Oakland Raiders. The also mentioned that the 49ers are interested in McNabb. Possibly SF is that mystery third team they were talking about, who didn't want their current QB to know that they're in the market for another QB.[/quote]

SF has 2 first rounders, 13 & 17. I hope they're not looking to include one of them in a deal for McNabb. Doesn't sound like it at this point, as teams now know that the eagles have put themselves in a precarious position w/McNabb where they'll almost have to trade him.

I'm hoping SF wants someone at #4 & will deal their 2 first rounders for it. Might take an additional late round pick by the skins to make it happen, but it would be sweet either way.

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[quote=Mattyk;680211]It's like watching two elderly guys fight. Boring, predictable, and neither side can land a knockout punch.[/quote]

It couldn't have been said any better than that! LOL

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;680122]Here is a stat for you that actually matters.

Redskins - 4 wins
Eagles - 11 wins

Redskins v Eagles head to head - 0-2

So prop up JC vs McNabb all you want statistically. The results are comical when compared.[/quote]

Put Donovan on the 2009 Redskins and he'd be in the hospital. ;)



OK, seriously, this is not a Campbell thread. Somehow every thread becomes one. It could be about LBs or punters and JC gets attacked.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;680099]Acutally, the criticism that Campbell's completion percentage is inflated does have some merit. Campbell attempted 302 passes that traveled 10 yards or fewer.
McNabb only attempted 223 passes that traveled 10 yards or less.

Last time I checked, 60% is much larger than 50%.

A fine example of how stats can be used to mislead.

Not only that, McNabb was more efficient than Campbell; he obtained his numbers with far fewer attempts.[/quote]

YAC - DeSean Jackson. :)

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Wow, I'd love to see McNabb on the 49ers.

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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=5044032"]Done Deal - Eagles Send McNabb to Raiders In Exchange for Picks - ESPN[/URL]

About time.

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not a minute to spare right DB!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;680596]not a minute to spare right DB![/quote]

In a situation like this time is of the essence.

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i am surprised it wasn't a 12:01 deal though

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Here comes the onslaught of April Fools Day posts.

...and then the thread.

The expression should be death, taxes and April Fools Day posts on the Warpath.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;680594][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=5044032"]Done Deal - Eagles Send McNabb to Raiders In Exchange for Picks - ESPN[/URL]

About time.[/quote]

Warren Moon weighs in on the subject:
[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/eagles/2010-03-31-donovan-mcnabb_N.htm"]Warren Moon: Eagles treated McNabb poorly[/URL]

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[quote=mredskins;680219]TMZ is now reporting sports news???? Seriously???? That site is so stupid.[/quote]

yeah it's called ProFootballTalk

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[quote=tryfuhl;680642]yeah it's called ProFootballTalk[/quote]
Listening to PFT.com is like taking part in April Fool's Day, every day.

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hehehehe, no joke!