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[quote=SmootSmack;682341]We also have Richard Bartel, but you'll probably start at QB before him[/quote]

That's the other one I remembered. I had forgotten we had Grossman.

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[quote=SBXVII;682342]If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.[/quote]

:rofl: that's great. made me smile. thanks

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[quote=GTripp0012;682343]No. That's not what it's like at all. It's as if you had a 19 PPG guy and an 18 PPG guy, but the 19 PPG guy (who had averaged 21 PPG for his career, perhaps) had an injury history (so the 18 PPG guy had more points scored) and a large contract, and you traded for him anyway. Reasoning being: the 18 PPG player just isn't cutting it.

Age issues aside, that's a poor solution to a perceived problem.[/quote]

So I'm guessing you don't like the McNabb trade?

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[quote=Audi;682328]Make no mistake, McNabb is light years ahead of Jason Campbell. [B] Imagine if he had the durability and running game of the Redskins in years past (not this year, obviously) [/B]and Santana Moss as his number one instead of James Thrash or Dante Sallworth.[/quote]

You, me, and Stink agree

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I was at the movies and my phone started blowing up with texts about the trade so I am just getting details about it.. Personally, I love the trade. McNabb gives us legitimacy at the QB position for the first time in forever. Is he perfect, not even close. Is he the best we've had in more than a decade, absolutely. This is a move to win in the next 2 years with Shanahan. His history is with veteran QB, Elway was a veteran, he went to an AFC Championship game with Jake freaking Plummer.

This actually gives us MORE flexibility in the draft. If Okung is gone at #4 (which he probably will be) they can trade down without having to worry about going down too far and risk not being able to get a T or QB-now we just can focus on T and it also gives us the ability to trade Campbell for a 3, 4, or 5 rather than needing to hold out for a 2nd round pick we'd never get.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682253]Eagles now have 5 picks in the top 80. We have 1? :vomit:[/quote]

Yup. Cerrato trades high draft pick(s) for a big name vet past his prime, and he's the biggest moron in the NFL!!

Allen/Shanny trade a high draft pick for a big name vet past his prime and people rejoice??

I'll never understand our fan base.

Sure, this is for a QB (something we've needed forever), but the fact remains we have many other pressing needs, and now only 4 draft picks to address them. The Patriots have three times that many by the way. The best teams in this league build through the draft.

I've been "wait and see" on Allen/Shanny since day one. That fact remains. Big time.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;682339]What'd he say?[/QUOTE]
That McNabb does not want to play in Oak town. That it was a nightmare etc.

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Im pinching myself, I cant believe all the opprotunities this opens up for Washington in the draft...They can take the best OT at #4 or trade down and pick up an OT and a 2nd round pick, that should be used on an OT as well. They can also trade Campbell for some later round pick maybe 3rd and 4th......WOW...the possibilities

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[quote=Paintrain;682349]I was at the movies and my phone started blowing up with texts about the trade so I am just getting details about it.. Personally, I love the trade. McNabb gives us legitimacy at the QB position for the first time in forever. Is he perfect, not even close. Is he the best we've had in more than a decade, absolutely. This is a move to win in the next 2 years with Shanahan. His history is with veteran QB, Elway was a veteran, he went to an AFC Championship game with Jake freaking Plummer.

This actually gives us MORE flexibility in the draft. If Okung is gone at #4 (which he probably will be) they can trade down without having to worry about going down too far and risk not being able to get a T or QB-now we just can focus on T and it also gives us the ability to trade Campbell for a 3, 4, or 5 rather than needing to hold out for a 2nd round pick we'd never get.[/quote]

That my friend is optimism and I like it. I hope you're right.

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[quote=SmootSmack;682335]I know I'm going to hate myself for asking...but how so?[/quote]McNabb is probably 500-900 passing attempts away from being a player who just-can't-do-it anymore (think McNair 07, or Delhomme '09). Campbell figures to peak as a talent around age 31, or two to three years in the future.

I wouldn't want to be the guy holding the contract for McNabb's age-35 to age-37 seasons, but I'm that much closer now. And how quickly is he going to age behind Heyer/Williams/Rabach. Are we going to do anything to give up a chance behind that right side even after addressing the left side with the No. 4 pick?

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As it stands right now, we only have one pick before the 4th round. I HATE that. Sounds like years past.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682354]McNabb is probably 500-900 passing attempts away from being a player who just-can't-do-it anymore (think McNair 07, or Delhomme '09). Campbell figures to peak as a talent around age 31, or two to three years in the future.

I wouldn't want to be the guy holding the contract for McNabb's age-35 to age-37 seasons, but I'm that much closer now. And how quickly is he going to age behind Heyer/Williams/Rabach. Are we going to do anything to give up a chance behind that right side even after addressing the left side with the No. 4 pick?[/quote]

I'm very hopeful McNabb can succeed here, but I share your skepticism. The bottom line is we as fans have been burned so many times, I simply refuse to give the benefit of the doubt to this organization anymore, regardless of the big names calling the shots.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;682347]So I'm guessing you don't like the McNabb trade?[/quote]What?! Who told you?

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I can't find it now but one of you asked how many 1st round QB's ever made it....

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=319933]EXTREMESKINS.com[/url]

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[quote=diehard;682340]I'm sick.[/quote]

Robotussin

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Rejoice? Nah, but not a terrible move either. We get a QB that has been pretty consistent when healthy (ha), for a 2nd rounder, who has experience in West Coast offense, who strips a chief rival of their all-time stat leader, and...lets just see if this fires up D-Mac..nothing like feeling WANTED. I mean, Philly has been trying to run him out for years...

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Think of all the QBs that have been rumored to be coming here via trade the past few years-Favre, Vick, Cutler, Hasselbeck-had to get rid of Vinny to finally make it happen!

sort of off-topic, but huge day in sports tomorrow-McNabb trade talk, MLB opening day, NCAA Championship game, Tiger speaks at Augusta

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I think we can expect the Eagle game in Philly will be a primetime Sunday/Monday night game.

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Call me crazy but if Okung is gone and #4 and there are no offers to trade back, I want Berry.

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[quote=SmootSmack;682361]Think of all the QBs that have been rumored to be coming here via trade the past few years-Favre, Vick, Cutler, Hasselbeck-had to get rid of Vinny to finally make it happen!

[B]sort of off-topic, but huge day in sports tomorrow-McNabb trade talk, MLB opening day, NCAA Championship game, Tiger speaks at Augusta[/B][/quote]

No doubt. Wow. Hadn't put that all into perspective.

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Fire shanahan and allen! Then sell the team snyder!

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Skins now have options, especially if Bradford slips, to pick up other draft picks, if not Okung to protect him. Also, even if no salary cap, there will be cuts in the summer of people owed bonus and from teams who drafted players, we could still pick up some good OL to help protect. Santana, Devin, CC, Davis are much better than anything the Eagles have offered him in years.

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[quote=jdc65;682362]I think we can expect the Eagle game in Philly will be a primetime Sunday/Monday night game.[/quote]

Oooo la la

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[B]From DHall via Comcast:[/B] Says he's ecstatic. Feels we've addressed a couple of needs....at QB, now we still have a pick to address the offensive line. Feels like the team can compete for the playoffs and even the Super Bowl.
[B]
On Campbell:[/B] Says he's grown to like Campbell, but this makes McNabb the starter and feels like McNabb has a couple of years left in him.

[B]How Good Is McNabb[/B]: Thinks he can still move and has a great arm, can keep plays alive. Feels like he has a good 3 or 4 years left, if not more. Thinks McNabb can still get it done.

[B]Team Overall[/B]: Johnson, Willie Parker, Clinton Portis..."say's we're getting better, I'm smiling, I'm just excited man, we're getting quality football players, guys that know about the game. I'm excited."

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The one thing I wonder ,if you think this will open up the #4 pick for possible trades... do you think now that we wont be drafting a quarterback (i'd have to think), that more teams will be looking to trade up if they want a QB? You'd have to think that Seattle, Cleveland and even maybe Oakland could possibly draft a QB so maybe a team will trade up with us to try to grab Clausen?

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voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

lol whatever just sit back and wait for opening day. crack a beer because we're not even halfway thru this choose your own adventure offseason story.

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This is interesting (from Twitter)...

[QUOTE]PaulTenorio

RT @SI_RossTucker 2 notes from Schefter on Sirius: McNabb "handpicked" Skins and there has been "zero discussion" of new contract thus far.
less than a minute ago via web[/QUOTE]

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[quote=GMScud;682350]Yup. Cerrato trades high draft pick(s) for a big name vet past his prime, and he's the biggest moron in the NFL!!

Allen/Shanny trade a high draft pick for a big name vet past his prime and people rejoice??

I'll never understand our fan base.

Sure, this is for a QB (something we've needed forever), but the fact remains we have many other pressing needs, and now only 4 draft picks to address them. The Patriots have three times that many by the way. The best teams in this league build through the draft.

I've been "wait and see" on Allen/Shanny since day one. That fact remains. Big time.[/quote]Actually, Cerrato traded a second round pick for Jason Taylor, and a majority of people rejoiced. If this end of the interwebs was any indication, it was the exact same voices as well.

There was more ambiguity in the Jason Taylor trade, like maybe we were going to use him creatively in a way that the Dolphins hadn't (sorry to remind you). Here, we have to wonder what the heck Shanahan knows about extending McNabb's career that Andy Reid didn't. Because if this is a battle of understanding quarterbacks, I'm jumping ship on Shanahan. He's going to get crushed if it's just his assessment of a player against Reid's.

There's got to be more here, I would think.

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[quote=Gmanc711;682370]The one thing I wonder ,if you think this will open up the #4 pick for possible trades... do you think now that we wont be drafting a quarterback (i'd have to think), that more teams will be looking to trade up if they want a QB? You'd have to think that Seattle, Cleveland and even maybe Oakland could possibly draft a QB so maybe a team will trade up with us to try to grab Clausen?[/quote]

I would hope the staff thinks we can trade down, still bet a quality LT and pick up a second. Maybe then maybe draft a Tebow/McCoy. The idea of Tebow learning under McNabb is intriguing.

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[quote=Gmanc711;682370]The one thing I wonder ,if you think this will open up the #4 pick for possible trades... do you think now that we wont be drafting a quarterback (i'd have to think), that more teams will be looking to trade up if they want a QB? You'd have to think that Seattle, Cleveland and even maybe Oakland could possibly draft a QB so maybe a team will trade up with us to try to grab Clausen?[/quote]

Yeah, I would say, plus JC is now a chip, maybe for a mid-rounder.

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[quote=SmootSmack;682361]Think of all the QBs that have been rumored to be coming here via trade the past few years-Favre, Vick, Cutler, Hasselbeck-had to get rid of Vinny to finally make it happen!

sort of off-topic, but huge day in sports tomorrow-McNabb trade talk, MLB opening day, NCAA Championship game, Tiger speaks at Augusta[/quote]I'm interested to hear what Tiger thinks of McNabb. He'll make it all make sense.

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[quote=diehard;682365]Fire shanahan and allen! Then sell the team snyder![/quote]

+.0001 (I hope it never goes higher, but this one doesn't help)

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comcast is doing a special broadcast on this now btw with brian mitchell

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Not that I'm comparing McNabb with Elway, but maybe Shanny can help McNabb win a SB the way he helped Elway.

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Damn, still can't believe it. Talk about earthquake on the west coast, we just had our own fellas!!!

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If you guys dont think this trade is freakin exactly what we needed.....The numbers say it all
2009 Philadelphia Eagles Mc Nabb stats 22 td's- 10 Ints-3,553 yards- 92.3% completions %......Havent seen those numbers in Washington since Doug Williams!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;682379]Not that I'm comparing McNabb with Elway, but maybe Shanny can help McNabb win a SB the way he helped Elway.[/quote]This makes Shanahan less likely to win a super bowl, but it would make the returns on it more sweet than if he won it with Campbell!

Wait, no, sorry, they are similar players even in the amount a super bowl win would mean to their detractors. Although we could beat Philly in the NFC Championship.

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[quote=GMScud;682350]Yup. Cerrato trades high draft pick(s) for a big name vet past his prime, and he's the biggest moron in the NFL!!

Allen/Shanny trade a high draft pick for a big name vet past his prime and people rejoice??

I'll never understand our fan base.

Sure, this is for a QB (something we've needed forever), but the fact remains we have many other pressing needs, and now only 4 draft picks to address them. The Patriots have three times that many by the way. The best teams in this league build through the draft.

I've been "wait and see" on Allen/Shanny since day one. That fact remains. Big time.[/quote]

Think about this we could possibly get a 3rd round pick for JC & trade out of the 4th pick swap 1st pick up a 2nd. If this happens we would have McNabb 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 7th draft picks. FO would be genius!!!!! Think about it it's possible.

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BMitch seems to like the move, as does Trevor Matich.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;682381]If you guys dont think this trade is freakin exactly what we needed.....The numbers say it all
2009 Philadelphia Eagles Mc Nabb stats 22 td's- 10 Ints-3,553 yards- 92.3% completions %......Havent seen those numbers in Washington since Doug Williams!![/quote]

While I think he's better than Campbell, in fairness to JC his numbers aren't all that different.

But the game isn't just about stats in a box score