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[quote=Mattyk;704092]So much for that top kill eh?

:doh:[/quote]

I officially despise BP at this point.

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[quote=Mattyk;703911]What if there's no God? Then we're just F'd I guess.

[B]Not to open a huge can of worms or anything[/B]. :)[/quote]

THAT'S humor!

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I just wonder why for the first time they are going to try and put a cap/valve on the pipe. It seems like that would have been one of the first things they would have tried after the fire was put out. I guess maybe Obama thought of that after he went down there and played in the sand for a few minutes.

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I'm sure you are just picking at Obama cuz it's fun to do, but they are trying these things based on 2 basic criteria: 1) resource availability and 2) probability of success.

They have started the process of the relief wells, the only thing that has a 100% probability of success. I find myself in amazing agreement with JTF on this part, any drills in environmentally challenging or protected areas ought to be required to have a relief drill built at the same time as the original well. That would be the right regulation to come out of this disaster.

The Top Kill only had a 60% chance, so they held off.

The new cutting operation has a better percent chance, i believe, but they had to wait for specialty tools to be available.

This situation is tragic, but it's not like people aren't trying to get it stopped.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704170]I'm sure you are just picking at Obama cuz it's fun to do, but they are trying these things based on 2 basic criteria: 1) resource availability and 2) probability of success.

They have started the process of the relief wells, the only thing that has a 100% probability of success. I find myself in amazing agreement with JTF on this part, any drills in environmentally challenging or protected areas ought to be required to have a relief drill built at the same time as the original well. That would be the right regulation to come out of this disaster.

The Top Kill only had a 60% chance, so they held off.

The new cutting operation has a better percent chance, i believe, [B]but they had to wait for specialty tools to be available.[/B]

This situation is tragic, but it's not like people aren't trying to get it stopped.[/quote]

We had to wait on the tool to become available? Is there another event bigger then this that needed the saw even more? Maybe they had to wait for the person to return it to Lowes so we could rent the tool.

I also agree with JTF about the second well. If you would have told me that a well could fail and it would take us months to cap that well I would have laughed at you.

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[quote=firstdown;704176]We had to wait on the toll to become available? Is there another event bigger then this that needed the saw even more? Maybe they had to wait for the person to return in to Lowes so we could rent the tool.

I also agree with JTF about the second well. If you would have told me that a well could fail and it would take us months to cap that well I would have laughed at you.[/quote]

I think Lowes was out of stock so they backordered it from the one in China. But Seriously, I believe I read that it had to be made, it's not an off the shelf tool obviously.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704179]I think Lowes was out of stock so they backordered it from the one in China. But Seriously, I believe I read that it had to be made, it's not an off the shelf tool obviously.[/quote]

Now if it had to made then OK I can see why we had to wait.

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I agree with the other posters who said BP waited too long. IMO, after they figured out that the ROV's couldn't close the valves on the blowout preventer, they should have tried this.

I dont know why they waited 5 weeks and now all of a sudden there is a sense of urgency.

My plan of action would have been this.

1.) Attempt to close valves using undersea robots.
2.) If valves don't close, attempt containment Dome.
3.) If containment dome fails, attempt Top Kill.
4.) If Top Kill fails, install new blow out preventer on top of faulty one.

Seriously, why haven't they tried installing a new BOP??

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Again, I believe, and I surely could be wrong, that they looked at computer model success percentages and part/tool availability. In actuality, they probably know, nearly everything is unlikely to work, but if they just gave a press report saying "We can do nothing until the relief well is done" it would not go over with the public or media.

Again, the government needs to now modify the regs and require a relief well solution for every new and existing underwater well. If the corporations balk, you simply say, we gave you your chance to show us you had a solution, you didn't so now this is it.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704185]I agree with the other posters who said BP waited too long. IMO, after they figured out that the ROV's couldn't close the valves on the blowout preventer, they should have tried this.

I dont know why they waited 5 weeks and now all of a sudden there is a sense of urgency.

[B]My plan of action would have been this.

1.) Attempt to close valves using undersea robots.
2.) If valves don't close, attempt containment Dome.
3.) If containment dome fails, attempt Top Kill.
4.) If Top Kill fails, install new blow out preventer on top of faulty one.[/B]

Seriously, why haven't they tried installing a new BOP??[/quote]
How is that really different from what BP did? This is real world work, you don't just snap your fingers and the next step occurs, each one requires coordination and parts and manpower. I believe Obama and BP both have said they were working on all these options simultaneously.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704191]How is that really different from what BP did? This is real world work, you don't just snap your fingers and the next step occurs, each one requires coordination and parts and manpower. I believe Obama and BP both have said they were working on all these options simultaneously.[/quote]
I agree his plan sounds like their plan. Maybe he was joking. We all know Obama has been on this from day one because he and everyone in his administration is now saying so every chance they get. Here is an example of a reporter asking Obama a question.

Reporter: Obama will you provide any emergency relief to the fishermen.

Obam: I'm glad you asked that questions because we have been here sense day one.

Reporter: But what about the releif.

Obama: The American people can be relieved to know we have been here from day one. Next question.

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Ok, I didn't get SS84's sarcasm, sorry. But again, I think the spare BOP was on loan to China, and they put it on a boat back to the gulf. Unfortunately it was not allowed through the canal, since we don't control it any more, so it is currently on the slow boat from China at the bottom of the earth.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704191]How is that really different from what BP did? This is real world work, you don't just snap your fingers and the next step occurs, each one requires coordination and parts and manpower. I believe Obama and BP both have said they were working on all these options simultaneously.[/quote]

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. What i was trying to say is that all of those steps should have been completed ASAP. Each attempt has been like 2 weeks apart.

They could have tried all these options in like 2 weeks. 5 weeks is way too long to all of a sudden get a sense of urgency. They should have tried fixing it much, much sooner.

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Man I have said it before, we as a human race do not have the technology to stop this. Prayer is needed. Everybody complaining they want the president to come down to the gulf and hold their hands. No one is dying. They weren't calling the president when the profits were rolling in. They made the choice. As always, a corporation choose profits (your little divine stock market) over the beauty god created in the gulf. Corporation and free market thinkers alike believe in profits first, the rest be damned. This time we bit it for their profit. It's sad!!!

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:soapbox: [B]Declaration: [/B]

[B]From here on out BP's name has been changed to USP[/B]. Limited government has failed us. We now want socialism and we want the governemnt to take over. Your little limited governemnt utopia is bogus. They want limited government as long as they are making profit. When something bad happens they want socialism. Hypocrisy hypocrisy I say!!! The conservative gulf coast is calling for Obama to pull a Chavez on BP smdh.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704223]I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. What i was trying to say is that all of those steps should have been completed ASAP. Each attempt has been like 2 weeks apart.

They could have tried all these options in like 2 weeks. 5 weeks is way too long to all of a sudden get a sense of urgency. They should have tried fixing it much, much sooner.[/quote]
Well if I'm correct they had to build those domes from scratch and thats wht took so long. Don't worry because Obama has been there sense day one.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704223]I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. What i was trying to say is that all of those steps should have been completed ASAP. Each attempt has been like 2 weeks apart.

They could have tried all these options in like 2 weeks. 5 weeks is way too long to all of a sudden get a sense of urgency. They should have tried fixing it much, much sooner.[/quote]

ok, but the point is that each one has been implemented as quickly as possible. According to BP and Obama, they aren't doing this sequentially, but in parallel. as an option is ready to try they try it. so if your sequence was serious, then despite your good intentions, your outcome would be just like BP's.

Look at it another way:
your engine develops a problem, there are 4 kind of possible ways to temporarily fix it, and one known permanent solution (order a new engine). You don't know that any of the 4 will work but the engine will take a month, so day 1 you order what you need for all 4 solutions. Your best guess you order FEDEX priority overnight, the next 2 you order UPS next day, and the final one Snail mail. As soon as you get the FEDEX, you try the repair it fails, so you have to wait. Later on, UPS shows up with one package, the other from California was delayed, but you try the second repair, it fails. Now you have to wait again for the parts for the 3rd way. You try it, it fails. Now you have to wait 3 days for the 4th solution. Maybe you could have done something differently, but most likely you did the best possible options given the availability of the required parts.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704233]:soapbox: [B]Declaration: [/B]

[B]From here on out BP's name has been changed to USP[/B]. Limited government has failed us. We now want socialism and we want the governemnt to take over. Your little limited governemnt utopia is bogus. They want limited government as long as they are making profit. When something bad happens they want socialism. Hypocrisy hypocrisy I say!!! The conservative gulf coast is calling for Obama to pull a Chavez on BP smdh.[/quote]

Who is this we you speak of?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704258]Who is this we you speak of?[/quote]

We are the conservatives that want no government intervention in anything as long we make a profit.

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[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/47965000/gif/_47965679_oil_spills_comp_466.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704259]We are the conservatives that want no government intervention in anything as long we make a profit.[/quote]

Funny this oil spill happened while a liberal was in office that gave the OK to start drilling without proper permits. Don't blame conservatives.

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[quote=firstdown;704271]Funny this oil spill happened while a liberal was in office that gave the OK to start drilling without proper permits. Don't blame conservatives.[/quote]

Not blaming them, I am shocked at how quick they change their philosophy, drill baby drill bump the environment. Actually they were howling about socialism to protect this BP oil giant. If Obama had've went anywhere near regulating BP they wouldve started the socialism talk. Want it both ways FD?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704273]Not blaming them, I am shocked at how quick they change their philosophy, drill baby drill bump the environment. Actually they were howling about socialism to protect this BP oil giant. If Obama had've went anywhere near regulating BP they wouldve started the socialism talk. Want it both ways FD?[/quote]No conservative I heard mentioned anything about socialism or "howled" when MMS was found to be negligent in carrying out their responsibilities and having inappropriate relationships with the oil companies. No reasonable conservative would've said a damn thing if the Obama Administration had simply complied with the permit and enforcement practices and regulations in place. Had they done that this problem may have been averted.

Huge difference between necessary regulation (safety of oil wells/rigs) and unnecessary regulation (crap & trade). Expanding drilling should not be a problem if proper safety practices are kept by the oil industry and enforced properly by the government. The U.S. Gov't receives a percentage of the oil revenue from these operations, and as such has the right and responsibility to enforce safety regulation.

Your all-saving federal government dropped the ball in a big way here too. And as you mentioned, they don't have the solution to stop the problem either so what good would it do to federalize BP. You think Hugo, Fidel and the Chinese give a damn about the environment, this could just as easily happened off the coast of Venezula or the Florida strait.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/world/americas/14venez.html"]Venezuela Offshore Rig Sinks - NYTimes.com[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/washington/09drill.html[/URL]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704273]Not blaming them, I am shocked at how quick they change their philosophy, drill baby drill bump the environment. Actually they were howling about socialism to protect this BP oil giant. If Obama had've went anywhere near regulating BP they wouldve started the socialism talk. Want it both ways FD?[/quote]

Never asked for it to go both ways. The only thing I ever asked was for Obama to provide as much help as we could to help protect our shores from this oil spill. If we have people with the back grounds to help come up with a way to stop this oil leak then get them on the job. I also think the goverment should bill BP for every penny we spend fixing or helping to fix this spill. I'm not looking for the goverment to take over BP but to protect their citizens like they said when they took office. I was a person who said drill baby drill but I did not know at the time that our goverment and BP was allowed to throw safty out. I was sitting on the beach this weekend thinkng about what if this was our beach getting hit. I still want drilling but we need to clean this up and find a plan b and C when we have a problem. This thing should have been over within 24 hrs of its explosion.

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[quote=firstdown;704285]Never asked for it to go both ways. The only thing I ever asked was for Obama to provide as much help as we could to help protect our shores from this oil spill. If we have people with the back grounds to help come up with a way to stop this oil leak then get them on the job. I also think the goverment should bill BP for every penny we spend fixing or helping to fix this spill. I'm not looking for the goverment to take over BP but to protect their citizens like they said when they took office. I was a person who said drill baby drill but I did not know at the time that our goverment and BP was allowed to throw safty out. I was sitting on the beach this weekend thinkng about what if this was our beach getting hit. I still want drilling but we need to clean this up and find a plan b and C when we have a problem. This thing should have been over within 24 hrs of its explosion.[/quote]



Meanwhile, in [B]Utopia World [/B]we expand drilling and we keep a beautiful coast. In reality it's just another trade off. Life is about trade offs in Capitalism. What's more important that damn oil, or the Gulf. Different people will have different answers regardless of what their religious affiliation or political , it's that simple . You want the oil? Things like this will happen. We know ain't nobody turning any money down. Let us pray for the environment. Forgive us oh lord for not being good stewards of the blessing you bestowed upon the now almost defunct Native Amercians. Please forgive us for our greed and insolence.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;704278]No conservative I heard mentioned anything about socialism or "howled" when MMS was found to be negligent in carrying out their responsibilities and having inappropriate relationships with the oil companies. No reasonable conservative would've said a damn thing if the Obama Administration had simply complied with the permit and enforcement practices and regulations in place. Had they done that this problem may have been averted.

Huge difference between necessary regulation (safety of oil wells/rigs) and unnecessary regulation (crap & trade). Expanding drilling should not be a problem if proper safety practices are kept by the oil industry and enforced properly by the government. The U.S. Gov't receives a percentage of the oil revenue from these operations, and as such has the right and responsibility to enforce safety regulation.

Your all-saving federal government dropped the ball in a big way here too. And as you mentioned, they don't have the solution to stop the problem either so what good would it do to federalize BP. You think Hugo, Fidel and the Chinese give a damn about the environment, this could just as easily happened off the coast of Venezula or the Florida strait.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/world/americas/14venez.html"]Venezuela Offshore Rig Sinks - NYTimes.com[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/washington/09drill.html[/URL][/quote]

Of course you didn't hear any conservative howling socialism during a time of crisis. Why would they, it would be political suicide. Rand Paul was the only fool out there defending BP, but I digress. And I beg to differ that had Obama ratcheted up the pressure on MMS prior to this spill that conservatives would have just sat by silently. You would have seen every Tea Party protest(er) that Fox could point their cameras at calling the president Marxist, Socialist, and everything else under the sun. Republicans have made the calculation, I believe foolishly, that the only way back to a majority in Congress is to flat out oppose all Obama legislation. Even if it's a position they've previously supported.

But I think the larger point to be made, from a political and policy perspective, is that the drill, baby, drill crowd: Sarah Palin, Michael Steele, John McCain et al have been curiously silent regarding how they would deal with BP, the oil spill and the damage it has inflicted on the environment, and how the US should approach off shore drilling in a sensible way in the future. I think this president deserves (of course he won't get it here) tremendous credit for including off shore drilling in his energy policy and having the courage to continue to stand by his decision.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704231]Man I have said it before, we as a human race do not have the technology to stop this. Prayer is needed. Everybody complaining they want the president to come down to the gulf and hold their hands. [B]No one is dying.[/B] They weren't calling the president when the profits were rolling in. They made the choice. As always, a corporation choose profits (your little divine stock market) over the beauty god created in the gulf. Corporation and free market thinkers alike believe in profits first, the rest be damned. This time we bit it for their profit. It's sad!!![/quote]

Never mind that the whole thing began with an explosion that killed 11 people

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[quote=12thMan;704300]And I beg to differ that had Obama ratcheted up the pressure on MMS prior to this spill that conservatives would have just sat by silently. You would have seen every Tea Party protest(er) that Fox could point their cameras at calling the president Marxist, Socialist, and everything else under the sun. [/quote]We'll just have to disagree on this one. I don't see O'Reilly/Hannity/Rush/Fox News/etc. running segments on the "Marxist Obama Admin. enforcing existing MMS policy and regulation that has been in place since the Bush Admin." Beck, maybe. But only if the red phone and chalk board linking Obama/BP/Mao/Chavez/ Stalin are in the segment.

FWIW, I recall O'Reilly defending the Admin's response a week or two ago.

[quote]But I think the larger point to be made, from a political and policy perspective, is that the drill, baby, drill crowd: Sarah Palin, Michael Steele, John McCain et al have been curiously silent regarding how they would deal with BP, the oil spill and the damage it has inflicted on the environment, and how the US should approach off shore drilling in a sensible way in the future.[/quote]Which is pretty stupid IMO. No way they should let the Dems and Obama Admin take sole credit for better rules/regs and punishing BP. Now would be the time to work across the aisle to put an unlimited cap on damages, which would force oil companies to assess risks differently than with a cap of $ 75M or $ 350M whatever it is (jtf, that's how a free market should work). Jam BP for every last cent to clean up this disaster and compensate folks in the Gulf whose property values and livelihoods are destroyed, and if BP won't play, shut down every drilling permit they have in U.S. territory. Put in tougher safety inspection and permitting processes and make the oil companies pay a fee/royalty for the increased manpower to support better inspections. Make damn sure every safety device recommended is a requirement.

[quote]I think this president deserves (of course he won't get it here) tremendous credit for including off shore drilling in his energy policy and having the courage to continue to stand by his decision.[/quote]Let's not break our arms patting Obama on the back for "including off-shore drilling" here. All he did was allow for expansion of exploration on the Eastern seaboard and North coast of Alaska, with the leases for exploration not being bid on until 2012. This decision was calculated to gain support for his cap & tax proposal.

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Well it sounds like Deja Vu i know, but the latest word from BP is that their oil spill could be capped later today. They are currently in the process of lowering the LMRP (Lower marine riser package) on top of the failed blowout preventer. If everything goes smoooth, it should be working by this evening.

their last option before giving up entirely and waiting for relief wells will be installing a second blowout preventer on top of the failed one....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704357]Well it sounds like Deja Vu i know, but the latest word from BP is that their oil spill could be capped later today. They are currently in the process of lowering the LMRP (Lower marine riser package) on top of the failed blowout preventer. If everything goes smoooth, it should be working by this evening.

their last option before giving up entirely and waiting for relief wells will be installing a second blowout preventer on top of the failed one....[/quote]




The relief well is the key. In Canada whenever you build a deep water well you must build a relief well. Imagine if the relief well was aq\lready in place? The leak would have been a spill and stopped possibly within the first week. Hmm, I say require a relief well for every well. Good punishment on their profits. If they say this makes us less competitive I say Busllshit we can have a new company get the oil (that's not Halliburton).

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[quote=SmootSmack;704318]Never mind that the whole thing began with an explosion that killed 11 people[/quote]

True, the tragic explosion RIP. To the peole who want every dredge in America I feel your pain, but the world is not gonna stop for you. It's unforntunate. It's sad.

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You'd have just thought that they would have some safety method in place that could have prevented this, for example, the blowout preventer having a manual mode of some kind where it could be manipulated with the robots. Basically a backup plan for the backup plan. I know the robots tried to get it to work, but it seems like they pretty much knew that they had long odds from day one. The whole operation just seemed to be too dangerous in the event that something went wrong. and something did go wrong.

I dont get the feeling of BP being calculated and measured, as some people on this thread have alleged. I see a company that is scrambling for solutions they never possessed in the first place, a company who is dealing with a staining public image, and now a company who may face criminal charges. Tony Heyward, BP's CEO, looks more and more gaunt each day. That man didn't cause this problem, but i'm sure he will end up losing his job over it, and could possibly go to jail....it's just hell in the gulf right now.

We are past the limits of science, or what man can do to fix this. Man has no way to fix this. Nothing short of divine intervention will save the people of the gulf. It's time to Pray. God is the only person who can fix what they did.

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Maybe , just maybe this is more reason why we should drill on shore , like ANWAR and other area's where we have oil/shale . We will likely not find a replacement for oil anytime soon , sadly . R.I.P. to those who lost their lives on that rig .

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Could get worse:

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/hurricanes/2010-06-01-oil-hurricanes_N.htm]Undersea oil pipelines vulnerable to hurricanes - USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704298]Meanwhile, in [B]Utopia World [/B]we expand drilling and we keep a beautiful coast. In reality it's just another trade off. Life is about trade offs in Capitalism. What's more important that damn oil, or the Gulf. Different people will have different answers regardless of what their religious affiliation or political , it's that simple . You want the oil? Things like this will happen. We know ain't nobody turning any money down. Let us pray for the environment. Forgive us oh lord for not being good stewards of the blessing you bestowed upon the now almost defunct Native Amercians. Please forgive us for our greed and insolence.[/quote]

You act like this was cause by capitalism. So I guess all the other types of goverments don't use oil or need oil?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704361]You'd have just thought that they would have some safety method in place that could have prevented this, for example, the blowout preventer having a manual mode of some kind where it could be manipulated with the robots. Basically a backup plan for the backup plan. I know the robots tried to get it to work, but it seems like they pretty much knew that they had long odds from day one. The whole operation just seemed to be too dangerous in the event that something went wrong. and something did go wrong.

I dont get the feeling of BP being calculated and measured, as some people on this thread have alleged. I see a company that is scrambling for solutions they never possessed in the first place, a company who is dealing with a staining public image, and now a company who may face criminal charges. Tony Heyward, BP's CEO, looks more and more gaunt each day. That man didn't cause this problem, but i'm sure he will end up losing his job over it, and could possibly go to jail....it's just hell in the gulf right now.

We are past the limits of science, or what man can do to fix this. Man has no way to fix this. Nothing short of divine intervention will save the people of the gulf. It's time to Pray. God is the only person who can fix what they did.[/quote]

See that's what I don't get. They have the shut off valve which failed then after that its like now what do we do. I'm not talking just BP because it seems that no one has the technology to deal with this issue other then drilling a second well which should have been done along withe the main well. I would have thought that there would have been strick goverment regulation making sure they could handle a problem like this. I think this is a good case to prove that our congress is getting paid off to look the other way. Both parties are guilty because this did not start with Obama or Bush we have been drilling for oil for much longer.

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How about some strict internal safety measures from BP to begin with? Interesting that some are suddenly in favor of more gov't involvement.

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[quote=Mattyk;704371]How about some strict internal safety measures from BP to begin with? Interesting that some are suddenly in favor of more gov't involvement.[/quote]

I am one who favors as little gov't involvement as possible. That said, I have no problems with punitive fines, and possibly criminal neglect charges, against BP execs who allowed the lax security in this case. The only real regulation I would want to see is a relief well requirement for deep water wells (what ever deep water is defined as) and a required approved Emergency Action Plan(EAP) and I imagine the EAP requirement already exists. Unfortunately, when huge mistakes happen Government is required to step in. Then it's impossible to get them back out again :(

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[quote=firstdown;704370]See that's what I don't get. They have the shut off valve which failed then after that its like now what do we do. I'm not talking just BP because it seems that no one has the technology to deal with this issue other then drilling a second well which should have been done along withe the main well. I would have thought that there would have been strick goverment regulation making sure they could handle a problem like this. I think this is a good case to prove that our congress is getting paid off to look the other way. Both parties are guilty because this did not start with Obama or Bush we have been drilling for oil for much longer.[/quote]

as far as i'm concerned, it goes back really as far as Dick Cheney and George H.W. Bush in the early 90's.....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704377]as far as i'm concerned, it goes back really as far as Dick Cheney and George H.W. Bush in the early 90's.....[/quote]

Dude they have been drilling for oil much longer then that. What do you think they had a way to stop these leaks and when Bush took office the technology just disappeared. Its apparent now that no one has had any safty plan for these types of disaster.