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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;716176]T.o. Is carrying ochocincos pads in cincy. It looks like his ego has shrunk to normal size. Maybe we should have pursued him after all...[/quote]

Thats all part of the circus act. After intermission....then the implosion.

BO and stinko are a clown show. Good place for them in that shit hole called cincy!

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There are so many different scenarios that can play out with having Chad Johson and Terrel Owens on the same team. Some very bad and some very good. Like some have said about our RB core if this was 2005 or 2004 those two would have been an unstoppable on the field together.

But Skinsfan I do agree.... The Media Circus is coming to Cincy all season to get the TO and Chad sound bites.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;716197]You remember AH spent a good portion of last season rolling around on the ground every few series either grabbing his hip, knee, ____ (insert various body part here).

100 million my eye.[/quote]
While he was grabbing his various body parts, I think Dan was grabbing his wallet. With a little luck he will be the last of Vinnies "Bargain Babies"???
AND.............who knows, perhaps this will work out and he can be the terror he is capable of being?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;716212]There are so many different scenarios that can play out with having Chad Johson and Terrel Owens on the same team. Some very bad and some very good. Like some have said about our RB core if this was 2005 or 2004 those two would have been an unstoppable on the field together.

But Skinsfan I do agree.... The Media Circus is coming to Cincy all season to get the TO and Chad sound bites.[/quote]

I'm wondering how good TO will be this year. Didn't hear much from him last year while he was in Buffalo. Although, he will have a pro bowl QB throwing at him and another big thread opposite to him in Ochocinco. He could benefit from this a lot. If Cincy wins, I doubt there'll be much of a circus. If they lose, that's another story.

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[quote=Ruhskins;716218]I'm wondering how good TO will be this year. Didn't hear much from him last year while he was in Buffalo. Although, he will have a pro bowl QB throwing at him and another big thread opposite to him in Ochocinco. He could benefit from this a lot. If Cincy wins, I doubt there'll be much of a circus. If they lose, that's another story.[/quote]

I think TO will have a reemergence of sorts -- you can't blame him for his production (or lack thereof) in Buffalo when you consider that that the offense really doesn't have any weapons and he has Trent Edwards throwing to him.

Coupled with Palmer in Cincy with another top-tier receiver to draw away coverage, he should have a very productive year (the kind of year where he either gets a lot of yards OR a lot of touchdowns just b/c I could see Ochocinco getting all the yards and him - TO - getting all the TDs or vice versa)

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He didn't take the test again this morning.

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Yea, Fat Al needs more rest. After such a hard off-season it's taken its toll. Will retry Monday.

Posted at 6:51 AM ET, 08/ 1/2010
Haynesworth plans to rest knee another day

Apparently, Albert Haynesworth needs another day off to rest his sore knee.

The Pro Bowl defensive lineman, who injured his knee while twice failing to pass a difficult conditioning test during the first two days of Redskins training camp, plans to sit out again today in hopes of passing Monday and being cleared to practice, two people familiar with the situation said early Sunday morning.

One source said, however, said that Haynesworth could change his mind and insist on being retested before Sunday's morning practice. But the source also described such a scenario as being unlikely.

Haynesworth's knee was swollen when he arrived at Redskins Park on Saturday, prompting team medical personnel to recommend treatment and rest before he again attempts to complete two, timed 300-yard shuttle runs. Coach Mike Shanahan, the Redskins' top football official, will not permit Haynesworth, who skipped all but one day of Shanahan's first offseason conditioning program, to practice until he passes the test.

Haynesworth,who team officials acknowledge dropped 35 pounds in the offseason, fared well in the first phase of his initial attempt Thursday, but needed a lavatory break and was unable to complete the test upon his return. He also ran well in stretches Friday, said Ray Wright, Washington's strength coach. Although the two-time all-pro has not been permitted to work on the field with his teammates, he has received individual tutoring each day from defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and defensive line coach Jacob Burney. Haynesworth is very far behind his teammates in learning Washington's new 3-4 scheme, so Haslett and Burney are doing what they can to help get him up to speed. Several team sources, however, say Haynesworth eventually must join in 11-on-11 drills if the team hopes to have him ready to start the season.

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Fat Al studying at right DE.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/haynesworth-studying-right-end.html#more]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth studying right end position[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716234]Fat Al studying at right DE.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/haynesworth-studying-right-end.html#more"]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth studying right end position[/URL][/quote]



Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716205]Thats all part of the circus act. After intermission....then the implosion.

BO and stinko are a clown show. Good place for them in that shit hole called cincy![/quote]

Nothing more than a publicity stunt on the part of TO. The guy's a freak for seeing his name in print, anything to get attention.

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[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....[B]by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

You hope. He's more likely to hurt his knee by bumping it on the chest of one of your linemen while running over him to sack Sheli.

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:lol:

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I hope the Skins have a defibrillator nearby just in case Fat Albert has a heart attack and to keep him honest just in case he fakes one.

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[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.[/quote]

Exactly. I don't really see it working. If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.

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With the 21m in his pocket (and TO taking a cut in pay) perhaps he could sub-contract taking the test to TO? I think TO could pass it and it undoubtedly make for good ratings on TO's........"reality" show?
.........All's well, juice boxes for everybody!

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[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.[/quote]

Speaking of the 5-3 defense....Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when George Allen was coach here he deployed the defense in a playoff game against the Packers in an atempt to combat their strong running game that consisted of two runners, John Brockington and McArthur Lane. It worked superbly, on that day the Packers running game was completely shut down.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;716264]Exactly. I don't really see it working.[B] If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.[/B][/quote]

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

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[quote=Longtimefan;716267]Speaking of the 5-3 defense....Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when George Allen was coach here he deployed the defense in a playoff game against the Packers in an atempt to combat their strong running game that consisted of two runners, John Brockington and McArthur Lane. It worked superbly, on that day the Packers running game was completely shut down.[/quote]

I remember that. I thought Allen was a genius. He dared the Pack to pass knowing that they couldn't.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716269]If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?[/quote]


This whole scenario is pretty pathetic by AH. For one you can't pass a conditioning test because why exactly? If he had been working out all offseason to get into better shape and losing weight properly with cardio and strength training he should have been able to come in and run some "drills" in the given amount of time without a problem. BUT now you have ran a couple of times in the last 2 days and it has left your knee swollen. does this really sound as though a guy who is in top shape? Or has been training all offseason? A little running and now you will be held out of practice for a sore knee?

I have been defending him the last few weeks and trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I am done. The team needs to get him into shape, and if i was Shanahan and the Redskins I would feel as though I had been lied too the whole time by this guy and his trainer. So what he lost some weight and did some working out? He didn't get himself into a "top" shape by any means.

Of course he then may develop another health concern.

So then you would have to ask yourself is this guy even worth keeping around on the football team? Do you trade him or just flat out release him?

rant over for now...

p.s.

I still want to AH to get with the program and succeed here in DC, but if it drags on and on I wouldn't miss him either.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716269]If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. [B]And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?[/B][/quote]

No, I don't think that's going to change. Hence, the reason I said, "I don't really see it working," immediately before the part you bolded. :smashfrea

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716269]If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?[/quote]
Our defensive statistics are vastly better when he is in there. I believe Orakpo never had another sack after he got hurt. We need Haynesworth. I predict he will be a pro bowler and our best defensive player this year, as long as he does not get hurt.

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[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.[/quote]

Yeah, but being a NT means having to hold off 900 lbs of force of mass being shoved into you, which can't be good for the knee either.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;716291]Our defensive statistics are vastly better when he is in there. [B]I believe Orakpo never had another sack after he got hurt. [/B] We need Haynesworth. I predict he will be a pro bowler and our best defensive player this year, as long as he does not get hurt.[/quote]

Actually AH missed the Oakland game where Rak lit it up. But, yes, we are better with a properly motivated and healthy AH. I don't think I've seen a better Redskins goal line defense than the one we had last year and AH was part of that.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716294]Yeah, but being a NT means having to hold off 900 lbs of force of mass being shoved into you, which can't be good for the knee either.[/quote]


he would have to do that at end also and well.....football in general is hard on the knees.A Good D lineman can split a double team, by playing nose he is the closest lineman to the QB,if he is as fast as he says he should get plenty of sacks.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;716259]You hope. He's more likely to hurt his knee by bumping it on the chest of one of your linemen while running over him to sack Sheli.[/quote]



:yeahright...........:food-smil

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[quote=Giantone;716306]:yeahright...........:food-smil[/quote]

Hey Giantone you're a great poster.....well most of the time.

I'm just curious do you have 1,800 posts on a Cowboy and Eagle board as well?

Or is it just the Redskins you love talking about?

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Good ol GusFrerotte is the only one that has voted unfair so far. If ya happen to come back to this thread, mind sharing why you think it's unfair? Not to bash you or anything, just because I'm honestly curious.

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[quote=wilsowilso;716309]Hey Giantone you're a great poster.....well most of the time.

I'm just curious do you have 1,800 posts on a Cowboy and Eagle board as well?

Or is it just the Redskins you love talking about?[/quote]


Nope, frick the Cowgirls.I live in the Maryland -DC area so I see more about the Skins then I do other teams but I was born a Blue blood,I will say that out of 3 daughters 1 is a Giants fan ,1 is a Skins fan and the other doesn't care!

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[quote=Giantone;716305]he would have to do that at end also and well.....football in general is hard on the knees.A Good D lineman can split a double team, by playing nose he is the closest lineman to the QB,if he is as fast as he says he should get plenty of sacks.[/quote]

Well, what matters is what gap he's playing. If he's playing 0 gap, then he's not gonna get much sacks since he has to play the run to both his right and left first and occupy the blockers in front of him. If he plays the 1-gap or something, then he can try to split the linemen; it's what he has been doing these past few years. Besides, in a 3-4 he may be the DE, but the pass rusher is going to be Rak, and depending on how they line up, Al may just have to penetrate the 1-gap.

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[quote=wilsowilso;716309]Hey Giantone you're a [B]great poster[/B].....well most of the time.

I'm just curious do you have 1,800 posts on a Cowboy and Eagle board as well?

Or is it just the Redskins you love talking about?[/quote]

He's a great imposture. He's a closet REDSKIN fan. You can come out now Giantone, your game is up.

We have one more spot on the bus, it's filling up quickly.

Most smart people know we shall own the NFC EAST for years to come, starting 2010! :)

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[quote=Giantone;716312]Nope, frick the Cowgirls.I live in the Maryland -DC area so I see more about the Skins then I do other teams but I was born a Blue blood,I will say that out of 3 daughters 1 is a Giants fan ,1 is a Skins fan and the other doesn't care![/quote]


I still remember the year we had a chance to put the Giants down 0-3 to start the year, but you guys had that goal line stand and (the great fortune that Ladell freakin Betts the worst goal line back ever) was the guy who couldn't end that game and anyways after that game I said the Giants had no chance that year to you specifically and you said the Giants had turned a corner or something.

I thought you guys were going to have an awful year.

Then you upset the Patriots that year and I was reminded why the NFL is so kicks ass.

Every new year nobody knows what the heck is going to happen.

It's awesome!

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[quote=wilsowilso;716315]I still remember the year we had a chance to put the Giants down 0-3 to start the year, but you guys had that goal line stand and (the great fortune that Ladell freakin Betts the worst goal line back ever) was the guy who couldn't end that game and anyways after that game I said the Giants had no chance that year to you specifically and you said the Giants had turned a corner or something.

I thought you guys were going to have an awful year.

Then you upset the Patriots that year and I was reminded why the NFL is so kicks ass.

Every new year nobody knows what the heck is going to happen.

It's awesome![/quote]

Yep, that was pretty much the beginning of the Giants turn around that season. They were talking about making major changes had they lost that game and we couldn't close the deal.

Turns my stomach now just thinking about it.

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I didn't even want to sit through 24 pages of people argueing about whether it was fair or not. I voted fair. Our beloved former HC Gibbs installed a system in which the choice was on the player, either spend the majority of their off season at the facility working out under the conditioning coach's watchfull eye or stay away and take a physical test upon return. It's not a hard decision. The choice is left all up to the player. It's not being forced on the player at all.

So having said that AH had a choice as did all the other players on the team. But...... the HC said all the other players had already taken the test even though it was informal. In case you all have forgotten at the begining of the OTA's I recall the players running back and forth up and down the field. It also looked like they were being timed by the coach's on the field. So to me it sounds like all the players had to do it also so to simply let AH start practicing with out having completed this conditioning test would be unfair to all the other players who completed the test during OTA's.

Simply put if AH didn't want to have to be put in this situation he should have had his butt here throughout the OTA's and had done his informal test, with out all the controversy.

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[quote=SBXVII;716320]I didn't even want to sit through 24 pages of people argueing about whether it was fair or not. I voted fair. Our beloved former HC Gibbs installed a system in which the choice was on the player, either spend the majority of their off season at the facility working out under the conditioning coach's watchfull eye or stay away and take a physical test upon return. It's not a hard decision. The choice is left all up to the player. It's not being forced on the player at all.

So having said that AH had a choice as did all the other players on the team. But...... the HC said all the other players had already taken the test even though it was informal. In case you all have forgotten at the begining of the OTA's I recall the players running back and forth up and down the field. It also looked like they were being timed by the coach's on the field. So to me it sounds like all the players had to do it also so to simply let AH start practicing with out having completed this conditioning test would be unfair to all the other players who completed the test during OTA's.

Simply put if AH didn't want to have to be put in this situation he should have had his butt here throughout the OTA's and had done his informal test, with out all the controversy.[/quote]


Yep... read my previous post.. I agree

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[quote=DynamiteRave;716311]Good ol GusFrerotte is the only one that has voted unfair so far. If ya happen to come back to this thread, mind sharing why you think it's unfair? Not to bash you or anything, just because I'm honestly curious.[/quote]


Just did to see the results of the voting. Not my opinion dude, just hit yes just to see the results and to see if anyone else would vote yes. I thought it would be funny to vote yes and be the fly in the ointment also. IF the guy can't complete that relatively easy drill he shouldn't be practicing. Damn he might collapse or have a heart attack!!!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716313]Well, what matters is what gap he's playing. If he's playing 0 gap, then he's not gonna get much sacks since he has to play the run to both his right and left first and occupy the blockers in front of him. If he plays the 1-gap or something, then he can try to split the linemen; it's what he has been doing these past few years. Besides, in a 3-4 he may be the DE, but the pass rusher is going to be Rak, and depending on how they line up, Al may just have to penetrate the 1-gap.[/quote]

Very common misnomer,most NG's play the center but yes the scheme will determin what AH does.Also just to clear things up,no one player is the pass rusher......one might do it better then others so he would come in on passing situations but trust me all the D line is rushing the QB.

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Well Albert has not been cleared to be tested again this morning. It's early yet, but a knee problem already and the team heavy work is yet to come?? ouch!!

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I wonder how long this mess is going to drag out.

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If his knee really is an issue there's no sense in forcing things and making matters worse.

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My question is this: If Haynesworth is never able to complete the test, and he isn't able to play, can the redskins void his contract?

I mean they aren't gonna give him that much cash to be a backup, even if he does somehow pass the test and thereby make the squad.