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For what it's worth, I just heard Mel Kiper on espn 980 describe Andrew Luck: "he's Peyton Manning with athleticism" and "the closest thing to a guaranteed franchise quarterback"

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[quote=SmootSmack;775463]So if not Luck, then who do you guys think the Panthers should take no. 1? Consensus seems to be Fairley[/quote]

I have no idea honestly, it doesn't seem there is a great can't miss player in waiting behind luck like there was w/Suh last year. Is Fairley that guy?

I do think the panthers would be happy to trade out of that spot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;775409]Well, Fletcher's not getting any younger. Blades is decent but I don't see him as much more than a backup. Riley, I like. Carter and Rocky could both be gone. Wilson is one dimensional. Alexander and Rob Jackson are decent but not sure they have what it takes to be 16 (18?) game starters. Maybe in a platoon situation. Especially, Alexander. Not so much because he's not good but because he's asked to do so much. You could see him wearing down toward the end.

They played some of their best football against Jacksonville when Orakpo was not playing. Of course, I'm not saying they're a better team without Orakpo. But without him they were more unpredictable. I believe they need someone who can line up on the opposite side of Orakpo and inflict much of the same damage he can.[/quote]

If we draft an OLB high (and there are a no. of good ones) I wouldn't be surprised to see Alexander at ILB next year, we need more size there.

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[quote=freddyg12;775468]If we draft an OLB high (and there are a no. of good ones) I wouldn't be surprised to see Alexander at ILB next year, we need more size there.[/quote]

The thing about moving Alexander to ILB is even bigger then him playing OLB. Yes, he has the size and strength to play ILB, but he is going to lack severe experience, and reaction time that would be required for a ILB position in a 3/4. We really need to invest in 2 more SOLID linebackers to make this 3/4 the best it can be..

I really think perry Riley has a chance to start next year. He's a solid tackler, and he has alot of speed.

Kinda like Rocky who was an OLB, and once he moved to ILB he lacked the reaction time, and experience there... So, he looked like crap

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[quote=SmootSmack;775409]Well, Fletcher's not getting any younger. Blades is decent but I don't see him as much more than a backup. Riley, I like. Carter and Rocky could both be gone. Wilson is one dimensional. Alexander and Rob Jackson are decent but not sure they have what it takes to be 16 (18?) game starters. Maybe in a platoon situation. Especially, Alexander. Not so much because he's not good but because he's asked to do so much. You could see him wearing down toward the end.

They played some of their best football against Jacksonville when Orakpo was not playing. Of course, I'm not saying they're a better team without Orakpo. But without him they were more unpredictable. [B]I believe they need someone who can line up on the opposite side of Orakpo and inflict much of the same damage he can.[/B][/quote]

I completely agree. Orakpo was getting held plenty in the second half the season, but he didn't have nearly as many sacks because we didn't have anybody on the opposing side to take pressure off of him. If we get a dominant pass rushing type to go on the other side, it will help Orakpo tremendously. I still think Orakpo needs to work on his game though, and study the elite pass rushers some more, because too often he gets into a position where he can be held and nobody notices. If he works on his game he can improve to the point where even if they try and hold him he can escape out of it, because it's obvious we can't rely on the officials to see when he's getting held.

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[quote=skinsfan69;775408]I'm not either. He reminds me of David Klingler. Plus his feet are like bricks.[/quote]


Good CALL .. he's OK but everytime I tune in to check this kid out it seems like he is making a huge turnover and looks awkward ... even when LUCK throws an INT it looks good ...i have a weird feeling that this is going to be our draft pick .. like it or not .. Shanny/Allen won't go 2 years in a row building the DL and OL ... at least we can't trust them until they do....could be worse:argue: [YT][ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GnN_bTYtq4]YouTube - Jake Locker Junior Season Highlights HD[/ame][/YT]

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[quote=SmootSmack;775463]So if not Luck, then who do you guys think the Panthers should take no. 1? Consensus seems to be Fairley[/quote]

Fairley I suppose. If I were the Panthers I would take only Luck or a king's ransom in trade.

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[quote=warriorzpath;775466]For what it's worth, I just heard Mel Kiper on espn 980 describe Andrew Luck: "he's Peyton Manning with athleticism" and "the closest thing to a guaranteed franchise quarterback"[/quote]

:funnypost

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[QUOTE=DCtoAZ;775473]Good CALL .. he's OK but everytime I tune in to check this kid out it seems like[B] he is making a huge turnover and looks awkward[/B] ... even when LUCK throws an INT it looks good ...i have a weird feeling that this is going to be our draft pick .. like it or not .. Shanny/Allen won't go 2 years in a row building the DL and OL ... at least we can't trust them until they do....could be worse:argue:

To be fair you could easily have said the same thing about guys like Cutler, Big, Ben, Rivers, and a whole slew of other QB's before their respective drafts. Plus it's not fair at this point to compare anyone to Luck.

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[quote=SmootSmack;774543]Been hearing talk about Robert Quinn possibly being atop our wish list. It's early though

By the way has it been mentioned we got Doug Dutch back? We ****ing stole John Beck![/quote]

LOL! FO genius! har har

guess character wasn't as important with the young guys as Shanny lead onto

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[quote=juskins;775092]Orton will be traded. It's Tebow's team and Orton is the odd man out. But, I am sure Denver will keep its 1st pick and go QB, especially since they have reincarnated Elway to their front office.[/quote]
Except McDaniels is not in Denver anymore. So soon we'll find out if it was him or the FO that insisted upon Tebow so early.

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Barry Sanders Jr said that in recruitment talks with Alabama said that Saban told him that Mark Ingram would be declaring sometime towards the end of this week

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[quote=tryfuhl;775500]Barry Sanders Jr said that in recruitment talks with Alabama said that Saban told him that Mark Ingram would be declaring sometime towards the end of this week[/quote]

No surprise there. I mean lets look at the facts. Ingram plays a bruising style at a position that has a short lifespan, he's also accomplished everything you can at the Collegiate level, and with his draft status he's guaranteed to make enough money to finish school at a later date. Though ironically his major would seem to indicate that he's already planning on getting a job as an analyst after his football careers over.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/tag/_/name/2010-season-wrap-nfc-east]2010 Season Wrap NFC East - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

This article says Shanny could look hard at Mallett

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775521][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/tag/_/name/2010-season-wrap-nfc-east]2010 Season Wrap NFC East - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

This article says Shanny could look hard at Mallett[/quote]

Like Matt Mosley knows what the eff he's talking about. He is undeniably the worst reporter in the WORLD!!!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775521][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/tag/_/name/2010-season-wrap-nfc-east]2010 Season Wrap NFC East - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

This article says Shanny could look hard at Mallett[/quote]

I think Shanny will look hard at Mallett...and then look elsewhere.

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[quote=Lotus;775539]I think Shanny will look hard at Mallett...and then look elsewhere.[/quote]

Smoke and mirrors...

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andrew_perloff/01/05/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin]2011 NFL mock draft has four quarterbacks in top 10 - Andrew Perloff - SI.com[/url]

^Sports Illustrated has us picking Cam Newton....... IDK if you would consider Jake Plummer mobile?

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[quote=SkinzWin;775527]Like Matt Mosley knows what the eff he's talking about. He is undeniably the worst reporter in the WORLD!!!![/quote]

I thought it was a pretty accurate assessment. His overall assessment that Shanahan couldn't make much progress & that he added to the drama at Redskin Park is spot on IMO. I'm not saying Shan. is to blame for all of it, but for various reasons McNabb & AH became the story of the team rather than its play on the field. Shan. does deserve some blame for that. The only thing I would've added is that in fairness to Shan. & Allen, changing this team is a big task & if nothing else this year proved that it couldn't be done quickly, but not due to lack of effort on thier part. They definitely set the tone & made some changes.

His point about things going downhill after the detroit game was pretty much on as well. And the 3-4 defense transition, but that's been obvious to all of us.

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[quote=freddyg12;775596]I thought it was a pretty accurate assessment. His overall assessment that Shanahan couldn't make much progress & that he added to the drama at Redskin Park is spot on IMO. I'm not saying Shan. is to blame for all of it, but for various reasons McNabb & AH became the story of the team rather than its play on the field. Shan. does deserve some blame for that. The only thing I would've added is that in fairness to Shan. & Allen, changing this team is a big task & if nothing else this year proved that it couldn't be done quickly, but not due to lack of effort on thier part. They definitely set the tone & made some changes.

His point about things going downhill after the detroit game was pretty much on as well. And the 3-4 defense transition, but that's been obvious to all of us.[/quote]

Yeah this wasn't terrible but if you read Mosley's NFC East Blog with any regularity you will find he is a MAJOR Cowboys homer and his material is 50-75% Cowboys stuff. Then he probably does Eagles second most, followed by the Redskins and a occasional piece on the Giants.

Almost always you will find his posts rehashings of other peoples articles that he just posts links to. He does not write his own stuff a whole lot. I just don't care for him at all. I think a chimpanzee could do about as good a job as him.

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[quote=tc2deuce;775566][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andrew_perloff/01/05/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin]2011 NFL mock draft has four quarterbacks in top 10 - Andrew Perloff - SI.com[/url]

^Sports Illustrated has us picking Cam Newton....... [B]IDK if you would consider Jake Plummer mobile?[/B][/quote]

Yes, especially early in his career Plummer was very mobile.

My 2 cents:
we won't draft Mallett because he doesn't have Shanny mobility
we won't draft Newton because he lacks a Shanny arm

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[quote=freddyg12;775596]I thought it was a pretty accurate assessment. His overall assessment that Shanahan couldn't make much progress & that he added to the drama at Redskin Park is spot on IMO. I'm not saying Shan. is to blame for all of it, but for various reasons McNabb & AH became the story of the team rather than its play on the field. Shan. does deserve some blame for that. The only thing I would've added is that in fairness to Shan. & Allen, changing this team is a big task & if nothing else this year proved that it couldn't be done quickly, but not due to lack of effort on thier part. They definitely set the tone & made some changes.

His point about things going downhill after the detroit game was pretty much on as well. And the 3-4 defense transition, but that's been obvious to all of us.[/quote]

I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

[url=http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717]Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS[/url]

Nice article.

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I think it's safe to say the media's perception and the internal perception from the players are night and day.

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Here's just one point of view...

[QUOTE]Shanahan's insistence on treating each player the same and playing the best players, regardless of contract or name, was widely embraced inside a locker room that was eager to change a structure that resulted in years of losing.

"The past few years, you had players cussing out the head coach, players doing whatever they wanted to do," Sellers said. "Now that doesn't happen anymore. There's no more prima donnas on the team. We're all just individuals trying to get one goal, and that's to win. It's a nice feeling to have."
[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SBXVII;775669]I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

[URL="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717"]Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS[/URL]

Nice article.[/quote]

Good quote that I think shines some new light:

"I wish I would have handled the one in Detroit a little bit differently," Shanahan admitted on Monday. "I should have been a little bit more honest than I was. Sometimes you do things to protect players and at the same time you're actually hurting them."

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I think Tryon put it best when talking about what the Redskins environment [I]used[/I] (emphasis mine) to be like

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/justin-tryon-says-playing-for.html]Redskins Insider - Justin Tryon says playing for Colts is 'night and day' difference from Redskins[/url]

Unfortunately it was also like that in 1997,1998,1999,2000,2002, and 2003 as well. not in 2001. I'm guessing not in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007.

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[quote=Mattyk;775673]Good quote that I think shines some new light:

"I wish I would have handled the one in Detroit a little bit differently," Shanahan admitted on Monday. "I should have been a little bit more honest than I was. [B]Sometimes you do things to protect players and at the same time you're actually hurting them.[/B]"[/quote]

I have no problem believing that and I think basically most people thought it was something like this all along. What's the alternative? DM has been stinking it up all year and I need to get some SOB in here that can hit a reciever other than his....feet.
AT LEAST in part was he protecting DM.

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[quote=SBXVII;775669]I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

[URL="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717"]Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS[/URL]

Nice article.[/quote]

Assuming you were referring to my comments as one of the "people" that "want to point fingers and place blame" I think the article above doesn't change my statements much if at all. In fact Shan admits that he wished he'd handled the mcnabb situation better in the detroit game, so he's accepted some blame.

I also noted that he & Allen set a new tone & made some major changes, but there's only so much that could be done in one year. Just to be clear, I wasn't placing blame for the mcnabb & AH debacles on Shan, but it's clear from this article that Shan. is taking some blame himself. As a head coach he should.

Just to play devil's advocate, there are only a couple guys quoted in this story. While I believe the spirit of the article, there were times this season when the locker room seemed in disarray & the team performed as poorly as it had under Spurrier. Only in 2 games though.

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Freddy, I didn't mean to single you out and some of what you said is true. Shanahan said right after the first McNabb incident he should have handled it differently. Honestly I don't have a problem with how it was handled. McNabb kept throwing dirt balls or over throwing his receivers. Did anyone think or get the feel McNabb would run our 2 min. drill like Payton Manning runs his? You'd be crazy to think so. Which is why I wondered why it took so long to use Grossman in the last 2 min. of any game previously. What I didn't think was right or fair was throwing in Grossman in the last 2 min. of a game when he has not taken very many reps with the starting team and not thrown a ball in a live game since preseason. It was unfair to Grossman to just throw him in and expect a miracle.

Now the real wonder is did either Shanahan mention to McNabb that he might be replaced for Grossman for the last 3 games and McNabb half listened or did they just seem to over look telling McNabb and made the change on Thurs. of that week? There is two sides to every story and all we've heard is McNabb's cause the Shanahan's are not talking about it.

As far as Haynesworth? I aplaud what they have done. Time to set examples.

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Luck's staying at Stanford

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[quote=smootsmack;775701]luck's staying at stanford[/quote]

wow!

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[quote=SBXVII;775669]I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

[url=http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717]Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS[/url]

Nice article.[/quote]


Didn't the finger pointing [B][U]start[/U][/B] with Shanahan's directed at McNabb?
In fact your feel good article as well as the Washington Post article yesterday [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/04/AR2011010404758.html]Washington Redskins offseason: Upgrading the offense after likely departure of Donovan McNabb[/url]
implied that it was mostly McNabb's fault. Kind of a convenient 'this is the major reason why we sucked this year' excuse.

I much prefer what classy Santana Moss said, :"I blame myself before I blame him (McNabb)," said wide receiver Santana Moss, who posted one of the best seasons of his career in 2010. "We all on this team together. Every individual guy should blame himself for what we went through this year. You can't just blame one person."
This should have come from Shanahan the leader of team and coach, not from the WR. Santana Moss is a classy player.
Shanahan shoulders very little of the percentage blame.

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[quote=SmootSmack;775701]Luck's staying at Stanford[/quote]

I wonder if Harbaugh is staying too.

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Whatever, all these articles are nice but they are just words ... to be perfectly honest, I am not going to believe a word out of the players' or coaches mouths until we are a respectable team that makes a habit out of going to the playoffs. Till then, only one thing needs to be said:
2010-2011 Washington Redskins: 6-10

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[quote=SmootSmack;775701]Luck's staying at Stanford[/quote]

That makes the draft wide open. Maybe if we still don't turn it around this year we can draft Luck next year!!!

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Ok my point is... the way some people are talking I get the feeling they want to simply blame MS for the whole debacle. Some people are saying the players are unhappy with how things were handled. Maybe they were, maybe they are not. All I'm saying is there are some players there that are happy with how things were being handled, so lets stop pointing fingers, lets get over the fact McNabb was handled wrong, and move on.

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same, I'm happy with how MS is punishing the players who don't want to practice or aren't performing. I think it's more the media is blowing things up more then it should be just to get reactions.

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Defense, let me ask you this, how much more blame should Shanahan toss on? He's accepted having handled the first benching of McNabb wrong. That's all The blame I'd give him. The Haynesworth issue I feel is all on AH being a prima dona trying to get what he wants and not have to do what his coach has requested of him.

The second benching of McNabb I figured the coach was protecting McNabb from meaningless games. Then all the dirt came out about McNabb not studying or knowing the full playbook. Stats a side you can't tell me Grossman didn't look better simply cause he knew the playbook better.

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[quote=SBXVII;775744]Ok my point is... the way some people are talking I get the feeling they want to simply blame MS for the whole debacle. Some people are saying the players are unhappy with how things were handled. Maybe they were, maybe they are not. All I'm saying is there are some players there that are happy with how things were being handled, so lets stop pointing fingers, lets get over the fact McNabb was handled wrong, and move on.

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same, I'm happy with how MS is punishing the players who don't want to practice or aren't performing. I think it's more the media is blowing things up more then it should be just to get reactions.[/quote]

Really? I feel like it is completely the opposite. McNabb is the convenient public fall guy for 2010. I am am not even a McNabb fan, but I think he has taken more than his share of the blame.
Nobody else but Moss has stepped up to share in the blame or help deflect the blame. Where are the offensive lineman that blocked so poorly or the RB's that could not stay healthy? Or the defense that played most of the season ranked dead last? Quietly hiding?
Look at all the articles and what is being said in the media now that the season has ended. It has been overwhelming mentioning over and over again that McNabb did not live up to expectation (which is true) and that he no longer is wanted in DC, no second chance, see you later, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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[quote=SBXVII;775767]Defense, let me ask you this, how much more blame should Shanahan toss on? He's accepted having handled the first benching of McNabb wrong. That's all The blame I'd give him. The Haynesworth issue I feel is all on AH being a prima dona trying to get what he wants and not have to do what his coach has requested of him.

The second benching of McNabb I figured the coach was protecting McNabb from meaningless games. Then all the dirt came out about McNabb not studying or knowing the full playbook. Stats a side you can't tell me Grossman didn't look better simply cause he knew the playbook better.[/quote]

He should have stood up for his QB and mentioned that the rest of the team is also not playing well. The offensive line, RB's injured all the time, receivers that dropped many passes, a defense that was ranked last most of the season.
Yes, McNabb played poorly. I will admit that.
But if you are going to invest a 2nd and a 5th on a player and abandon him in less thatn one season when things get bad that is weak.
Mcnabb is not Jeff George.
McNabb paid out of his own pocket to fly his receivers on their off time to work extra time to get to know each other. McNabb has done everything you expect of a team leader to do and more....and his coach shit on him.

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There is no doubt the skins went through a radical change this year going from Zorn's easy going, buddy coach attitude to a dictator in one year.
I personally did not expect the radical behavior from shanny to be so extreme as to completely alienate top players that felt they paid their dues...such as haynesworth and Mcnabb...if it was only haynesworth, id understand as he is a me first player...but to alienate McNabb and throw him to the curb without giving him 2 full years is a bit crazy.
I understand he underperformed...but the line sucked...again and who's fault is that?
The reality is both prior coaching staffs got probowl production out of these two, but shanny would be lucky to garner a crappy 5th round pick for either of them.
That alone should tell you something.

I visualize Shanny in one of those westerns with players with egos saying....
This team aint big enough for the both of us.

I can see McNabb doing fairly well for another team, and don't be suprised if Haynesworth has a great season either.

Back to the draft...no way the skins waste their 1st rounder on a QB now that Luck is gone, the Qb's will be taken way to high...we need Dline at that spot...its the only move that makes sense at #10