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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/08/vikings-seahawks-spread-the-word-that-jake-locker-worked-out-well/]Vikings, Seahawks spread the word that Jake Locker worked out well | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;792733][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/08/vikings-seahawks-spread-the-word-that-jake-locker-worked-out-well/]Vikings, Seahawks spread the word that Jake Locker worked out well | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

To bad we pick for both of them. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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F every player listed in this draft. If the Redskins want to build for the future then they'll draft either Marshall Williams Manning or Mosley Thompson Manning. Can't go wrong with either one seeing as how both are twins and twins are the same.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792740]To bad we pick for both of them. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL[/quote]

Umm...did you mean to say before?

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[quote=SmootSmack;792757]Umm...did you mean to say before?[/quote]

Youuuuuuuuuu. Stop saying the things your saying because what I'm saying is what I mean to say you know what I'm saying.

Marshall or Mosley Manning! 2011!

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792753]F every player listed in this draft. If the Redskins want to build for the future then they'll draft either Marshall Williams Manning or Mosley Thompson Manning. Can't go wrong with either one seeing as how both are twins and twins are the same.[/quote]

well ones a girl and ones a boy

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[quote=SmootSmack;792715]Absolutely. You never know when someone is going to take Darrius Hewyard-Bay with the 7th overall pick[/quote]

Exactly. I've been saying that all offseason. Look what happened when the Raiders snagged that little gem at 7. Gift wrapped Orakpo thank you very much.

I've been saying the same thing could happen with Von Miller.... I mean someone will be stupid enough to take Cam Newton. Someone will probably make more of a bonehead reach than that too before we pick.

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[quote=GreekSkin;792764]well ones a girl and ones a boy[/quote]

Marshall and Mosley? No, no way.

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lol we should pull for a rule change I bet Mosley is better than Eli already. Not as good as her father just yet though!

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[quote=GreekSkin;792772]lol we should pull for a rule change I bet Mosley is better than Eli already. Not as good as her father just yet though![/quote]

You know, I'm tempted to say congrads Peyton, but then I thought f**k that. Guy has millions of dollars, a Super Bowl ring, beautiful wife, multiple pro bowls, a pro player as a father that let him hang out with other pros as a kid, a quick release that limits the number of hits he takes, and now TWINS!

F**k that.

Oh and it's not regular twins where they'll have to worry about one uping each other all the time or who will play QB, NO! One's a boy and one's a girl. And of course he's a rich football star so all the dirty work of being a parent will be given to a nanny. Oh and the kids Uncle Eli also has a Super Bowl ring and millions of dollars. The perfect little family. F**k you Peyton and your perfect life. Lol.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792779]You know, I'm tempted to say congrads Peyton, but then I thought f**k that. Guy has millions of dollars, a Super Bowl ring, beautiful wife, multiple pro bowls, a pro player as a father that let him hang out with other pros as a kid, a quick release that limits the number of hits he takes, and now TWINS!

F**k that.

Oh and it's not regular twins where they'll have to worry about one uping each other all the time or who will play QB, NO! One's a boy and one's a girl. And of course he's a rich football star so all the dirty work of being a parent will be given to a nanny. Oh and the kids Uncle Eli also has a Super Bowl ring and millions of dollars. The perfect little family. F**k you Peyton and your perfect life. Lol.[/quote]

Don't forget a thinning head of hair to match a receding hair line with that non-heterosexual comb over.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792779]You know, I'm tempted to say congrads Peyton, but then I thought f**k that. Guy has millions of dollars, a Super Bowl ring, beautiful wife, multiple pro bowls, a pro player as a father that let him hang out with other pros as a kid, a quick release that limits the number of hits he takes, and now TWINS!

F**k that.

Oh and it's not regular twins where they'll have to worry about one uping each other all the time or who will play QB, NO! One's a boy and one's a girl. And of course he's a rich football star so all the dirty work of being a parent will be given to a nanny. Oh and the kids Uncle Eli also has a Super Bowl ring and millions of dollars. The perfect little family. F**k you Peyton and your perfect life. Lol.[/quote]

You sound like Robert Barone.

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I'm going to shake things around a bit

1. Panthers-Cam Newton
2. Broncos-Marcell Dareus
3. Bills-Von Miller
4. Bengals-AJ Green
5. Titans-Blaine Gabbert
6. Browns-Julio Jones
7. Niners-Patrick Peterson
8. Cardinals-Jimmy Smith
9. Cowboys-Tyron Smith
10. Redskins-Robert Quinn

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[quote=SmootSmack;792915]I'm going to shake things around a bit

[B]1. Panthers-Cam Newton[/B]
2. Broncos-Marcell Dareus
3. Bills-Von Miller
4. Bengals-AJ Green
5. Titans-Blaine Gabbert
6. Browns-Julio Jones
7. Niners-Patrick Peterson
8. Cardinals-Jimmy Smith
9. Cowboys-Tyron Smith
10. Redskins-Robert Quinn[/quote]

This would be 10x worse than the Heyward-Bey pick at #7 by the Raiders. This would be the worldwide nuclear meltdown of NFL picks. That being said, I hope it happens. With the exception of Von Miller still being there at #10. I'm okay with Quinn too though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792915]I'm going to shake things around a bit

1. Panthers-Cam Newton
2. Broncos-Marcell Dareus
3. Bills-Von Miller[/quote]


No way in hell J. Richardson picks Newton with all those red flags about his character. It's not his style and probably never will be. One thing for certain is the Panthers don't keep or draft a bunch of knuckleheads. I wouldn't call S. Smith a knucklehead before you decide to go there. :)

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Newton to the Panthers doesn't seem all that crazy

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/11/panthers-piling-up-cam-newton-tape/]Panthers piling up Cam Newton tape | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;792955]Newton to the Panthers doesn't seem all that crazy

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/11/panthers-piling-up-cam-newton-tape/]Panthers piling up Cam Newton tape | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

They are blowing smoke up people's ass with this one. I don't see this one happening, but I'll eat my crow if they do indeed select him. If they do, you can write off the Panthers for another 5 years or so.

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[quote=SkinzWin;792941]This would be 10x worse than the Heyward-Bey pick at #7 by the Raiders. This would be the worldwide nuclear meltdown of NFL picks. That being said, I hope it happens. With the exception of Von Miller still being there at #10. I'm okay with Quinn too though.[/quote]

I have a suspicion that we go OLB later in the draft and not at #10 (assuming we stay at #10).

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The Panthers would prefer to trade down, but if they can't I think they go with Newton. I've been torn between Gabbert and Newton for them

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[quote=Son Of Man;792965]I have a suspicion that we go OLB later in the draft and not at #10 (assuming we stay at #10).[/quote]

Very possible. I mean maybe they go with a guy like Watt at 10?

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[quote=NC_Skins;792964][B]They are blowing smoke up people's ass with this one.[/B] I don't see this one happening, but I'll eat my crow if they do indeed select him. If they do, you can write off the Panthers for another 5 years or so.[/quote]

Maybe, but it wasn't the Panthers releasing this info so take it for what it is. At the very least the Panthers are just doing their homework.

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When it comes to the 1st pick where theres smoke there is usually fire. It's the one pick the media usually figures out and most of the rumors so far have been on Newton. When the Texans passed on Reggie Bush and took Mario Williams it's like the only time I can remember being even remotely surprised by the #1 pick recently.

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[quote=celts32;792990]When it comes to the 1st pick where theres smoke there is usually fire. It's the one pick the media usually figures out and most of the rumors so far have been on Newton. When the Texans passed on Reggie Bush and took Mario Williams it's like the only time I can remember being even remotely surprised by the #1 pick recently.[/quote]

Yup. Until there is a rookie wage scale it will be hard to trade out of that first pick. And if you cannot trade out, there is no harm in broadcasting your intentions.

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[quote=Lotus;793004]Yup. Until there is a rookie wage scale it will be hard to trade out of that first pick. And if you cannot trade out, there is no harm in broadcasting your intentions.[/quote]

Well, anybody being drafted in this years draft will fall under the new rookie scale that will be implemented with the new CBA. This is one of the few issues that both sides have agreed on. There isn't much to risk (financially wise) from teams choosing "high risk" guys in the top spots now. Poorly picking can still set your team back though. (especially at the QB spot) Trading back should be easier than ever with the financial risks gone from insane rookie contracts.

I do not believe any team in the first round would guarantee Newton 40-60 million under the previous CBA. He would free fall much like Jimmy Clausen did, who was another talented QB, but had "character issues".

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[quote=NC_Skins;793017]Well, anybody being drafted in this years draft will fall under the new rookie scale that will be implemented with the new CBA. This is one of the few issues that both sides have agreed on. There isn't much to risk (financially wise) from teams choosing "high risk" guys in the top spots now. Poorly picking can still set your team back though. (especially at the QB spot) Trading back should be easier than ever with the financial risks gone from insane rookie contracts.

I do not believe any team in the first round would guarantee Newton 40-60 million under the previous CBA. He would free fall much like Jimmy Clausen did, who was another talented QB, but had "character issues".[/quote]

Nope. There has been agreement in principle that there should be a rookie wage scale. But details have not been worked out. Even if they had details, such will not go into effect until a new CBA is signed. The chances of having a signed and sealed CBA before the draft are slim. Rookie pay this year remains an uncertainty but there is a good chance that last year's rules will apply.

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I won't pretend I know, well because I don't. How would this scenario really play out? We can agree that chances are that a new agreement will not be signed before the Draft, but rookie contracts wont be signed before the agreement either. So, what happens, if the new CBA does indeed contain a rookie cap? Will it cover this year's draft class or will it start in 2012?

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I'll put it this way. Do you think the owners, who are locking the league out over money, is going to allow the new rookies coming in to fall under the same scale that Bradford and crew were under? I think GWB has a better chance at a third Presidency term than that happening. Stranger things have happened though. Kudos to them if they get it.

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[quote=BuckSkin;793022]I won't pretend I know, well because I don't. How would this scenario really play out? We can agree that chances are that a new agreement will not be signed before the Draft, but rookie contracts wont be signed before the agreement either. So, what happens, if the new CBA does indeed contain a rookie cap? Will it cover this year's draft class or not start until 2012?[/quote]

If the players' injunction against the lockout wins through appeal, the owners will have to create operating rules and a new season will begin, even absent a CBA. There is a good chance that those operating rules will be the same as the rules from last year, even though the owners were not fond of those rules, since the players can't really file a lawsuit or scream antitrust against rules created within the context of a CBA which they signed. So, in this scenario, even without a CBA, rookies will be signed according to last year's rules: no rookie wage scale.

There is no guarantee that things will go down this way, of course. But they could. And this uncertainty alone may make teams wary of trading up into the top spot, the top 5, or the top 10.

If a CBA is signed over the summer, no one knows whether a rookie wage scale will be retroactive. Hence, in this latter scenario, the same uncertainty arises, likely with the same reticence of teams to trade towards the top.

What a mess.

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[quote=NC_Skins;793023]I'll put it this way.[B] Do you think the owners, who are locking the league out over money, is going to allow the new rookies coming in to fall under the same scale that Bradford and crew were under?[/B] I think GWB has a better chance at a third Presidency term than that happening. Stranger things have happened though. Kudos to them if they get it.[/quote]

Yes, they might, because they know that they cannot be sued under those rules.

Also, don't forget that the current rookie wage scale proposal simply moves rookie money into money for player benefits, etc. The owners still have to pay big bucks either way.

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[quote=Lotus;793025]Yes, they might, because they know that they cannot be sued under those rules.

Also, don't forget that the current rookie wage scale proposal simply moves rookie money into money for player benefits, etc. The owners still have to pay big bucks either way.[/quote]

You are right about the injunction though. If that is granted, they would indeed fall under the same rules as last year. I forgot about that part of this whole fiasco going on.

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1. Carolina: Cam Newton
2. Denver: Marcell Dareus
3. Buffalo: Blaine Gabbert
4. Cincinnati: AJ Green
5. Arizona: Von Miller
6. Cleveland: Julio Jones
7. San Francisco: Patrick Peterson
8. Tennessee: Nick Fairley
9. Dallas: Tyron Smith
10. Redskins: Jake Locker

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^ wow JL at 10, may happen

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793135]^ wow JL at 10, may happen[/quote]

If that's where we have to take him, then so be it. As long as Locker is in B&G for the next 12-15 years.

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^ oh I'm just as big on Locker as anyone else is.. I'd be happy w that

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793135]^ wow JL at 10, may happen[/quote]

Hmmmmm, if only some great prophet had foreseen such an event that would happen when it happens for which......the thing that.........

DAMNIT I ALREADY TOLD YOU PEOPLE!!!

"What do you mean "you people"?

ummmmm....uhhhh?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;793169]Hmmmmm, if only some great prophet had foreseen such an event that would happen when it happens for which......the thing that.........

DAMNIT I ALREADY TOLD YOU PEOPLE!!!

"What do you mean "you people"?

ummmmm....uhhhh?[/quote]

But next year's QB class is better, no? LOL.

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If AJ Green or Julio Jones is there at 10 and STL calls do we make a trade? I'd say yes in a heartbeat

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We've talked a lot about how we think the first round will shake out. But there are seven rounds, of course, and guessing how others will choose is highly unpredictable.

Instead, how about we play GM? If you were Shanny, whom would you choose over seven rounds?

Here's my plan:
1 Cam Jordan DE
2 Christian Ponder QB
5 Chris Neild NT
5 Noel Devine RB
6 Terrence Toliver WR
7 Thomas Keiser LB
7 Johnny Culbreath OT
7 Justin Rogers CB

I invite others to post their choices. No trade down scenarios please.

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I'll play along give me an hour or so lotus lol

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[quote=Lotus;793821]We've talked a lot about how we think the first round will shake out. But there are seven rounds, of course, and guessing how others will choose is highly unpredictable.

Instead, how about we play GM? If you were Shanny, whom would you choose over seven rounds?

Here's my plan:
1 Cam Jordan DE
2 Christian Ponder QB
5 Chris Neild NT
5 Noel Devine RB
6 Terrence Toliver WR
7 Thomas Keiser LB
7 Johnny Culbreath OT
7 Justin Rogers CB

I invite others to post their choices. No trade down scenarios please.[/quote]I did this a while ago.

[url=http://redskinshogheaven.com/2011-articles/april/a-more-different-redskins-mock-draft.html]A more different Redskins Mock Draft | April[/url]

Would you all take Nick Fairley to play RDE if he's there at ten? He would clearly be consensus BPA, but I think he's the kind of prospect you have to be fully invested in to draft him. And don't see how or why he would be.