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MS on The Doc and Coach show right now

[url=http://www.espn980.com/]ESPN 980 - WASHINGTON D.C.[/url]

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Was checking email on yahoo and saw sidebar saying Redskins should fire Shanahan
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/27140208;_ylt=AokiIfUwzw9gX3eED694in.r0op4#nfl/27140208]NFL: Redskins should fire Mike Shanahan - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=redsk1;855461]It is comical. We were overperforming to our talent level prior to the injuries. I'd say that's pretty good coaching.

I think many fans want to admit how crappy our team was when MS got here. I refuse to admit that the organization thinks Beck/Grossman are legit "franchise" QB's. They do have to come out publically and say nice things about them...that's what you do. We've got a ways to go, don't start going all "Snyder."[/quote]


Not really overperforming, just barely beating crappy underperforming teams with the exception of the Gmen in week 1, and even they underperformed. I doubt we beat the Gmen next round. Losing is one thing, but looking lost on the field is another. And as for the "Snyder" stuff? Yes it is old, but it is more than fair to say there is a large amount of truth in blaming him. This downward spiral started in late Nov when he canned Norv with 4-5 games left. The knee jerk reactions and the lackluster drafting has set us back worse than the Shuler pick.

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I am looking at the big picture. I see a new franchise since Shanny got to town. I told myself once he was hired I would not make any decisions on Shanny based on record until after the 3rd season. What I see is a group of hard working guys. Guys who see this as a job and not a right. This team was so messed up when Shanny got here that 2 years or year and a half, isnt even close to enough time to fix it. I think they got a lot of great pieces for the defense last year. And didnt overpay for average payers on offense. I think they finish reshaping the offense this off season and next year we will start to see the team of the future in DC.

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[quote=htownskinfan;855556]Was checking email on yahoo and saw sidebar saying Redskins should fire Shanahan
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/27140208;_ylt=AokiIfUwzw9gX3eED694in.r0op4#nfl/27140208]NFL: Redskins should fire Mike Shanahan - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

The comments about a near total lack of leadership are just becoming painfully obvious w/ every passing week. You can word it several ways as he said in the discussion there's no energy emanating from Mike. In fact I see no energy from any of these coaches. Where's the motivation supposed to come from? Don't tell me the paycheck. Don't tell me professional athletes shouldn't need "extra" motivation. We all look to be inspired and especially when it's tough going.

Whatever the dynamic is among the current coaching staff...it's simply not working.

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I had thought about a new thread/Poll with the question about What about Mike? With a poll:

1. I like Mike!
2. Hire an up and coming Assistant Coach from another team
3. Hire a re-tread former mediocre Head Coach
4. Cowher (getting specific)
5. Mooch (see reasoning for #4.)



But then I saw this extremely long thread with over 20 pages, so I'm simply adding. The poll in this current thread is good, but not as long as my analytical brain dreamed up.

To answer the current poll: Should MS be in the HOT HOT HOT Seat?

I'll check back in three weeks if the season is officially over for us. Right now, I'm totally leaning toward yes, but 70% of our problems are line-depth related. And MS didn't understand that from last year, and early on this year? And is that MS's problem, or BA's?

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Right now I would stay the course. Keep getting some good young talent in here and if things don't get better...hire an up and coming coach who doesn't have a bare cupboard when he gets here.

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[quote=53Fan;855580]Right now I would stay the course. Keep getting some good young talent in here and if things don't get better...hire an up and coming coach who doesn't have a bare cupboard when he gets here.[/quote]

Like when I suggested Harbaugh 2 years ago.

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Serious time management issues. Where is the hurry up at when behind by many points. Lack of urgency. Lazy coaching preparation. But that is at the bottom of the to do list.

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Kyle Shanahan: "Daddy we've lost four in a row, im ready to do something else this isnt any fun"

Daddy Shanahan: "Boy, do you see all those zeros at the end of your pay check?, now go get Dan some coffee, and after that play a little Madden and find us a few more bootlegs."

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;855602]Like when I suggested Harbaugh 2 years ago.[/quote]

I was very impressed how he ran the 49 offense yesterday. They have an identity. Not asking Smith to do too much. Simply a great hire.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;856637]Kyle Shanahan: "Daddy we've lost four in a row, im ready to do something else this isnt any fun"

Daddy Shanahan: "Boy, do you see all those zeros at the end of your pay check?, now go get Dan some coffee, and after that play a little Madden and find us a few more bootlegs."[/quote]

Son Shanahan: Should we go to to the hurry up offense?

Daddy Shanahan: What hurry up offense?

Son: Oh yea we don't have one. What offense should we run?

Daddy: What offense?

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I think our coaching is next to impossible to evaluate when our play is so piss poor. I wouldn't go blaming either Shanahan for our offensive woes when Gaffney is our number one WR, our O-line is banged up, our starting RB is gone, our best pass catcher (Davis) is banged up, and most importantly we don't have a qb. On the rare occasion that a pass play works and a player is open, beck either misses the target or throws to someone in quadruple coverage.

The only blame can go to the personnel brought in, but even then I can't blame him that much. He inherited a team with no young players, and no talent. Our offense is terrible, but defense was the priority to fix, and although I think our defense is mediocre, it has been greatly improved and should have been the focal point of the fixing. Imma give shanny 2 more years before I truly start to make judgments on him. Bellicheck wouldn't be doing well at this point if he were in shanny's shoes. God I hope we get a high draft pick.

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[quote=skinster;856695]I think our coaching is next to impossible to evaluate when our play is so piss poor. I wouldn't go blaming either Shanahan for our offensive woes when Gaffney is our number one WR, our O-line is banged up, our starting RB is gone, our best pass catcher (Davis) is banged up, and most importantly we don't have a qb. On the rare occasion that a pass play works and a player is open, beck either misses the target or throws to someone in quadruple coverage.

The only blame can go to the personnel brought in, but even then I can't blame him that much. He inherited a team with no young players, and no talent. Our offense is terrible, [B]but defense was the priority to fix[/B], and although I think our defense is mediocre, it has been greatly improved and should have been the focal point of the fixing. Imma give shanny 2 more years before I truly start to make judgments on him. Bellicheck wouldn't be doing well at this point if he were in shanny's shoes. God I hope we get a high draft pick.[/quote]

I still don't understand this. If the Shanahan's were going to install an offensive system regardless of the roster, then building up the offense should've been the priority.

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They(coaches) are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken poop but Harbaugh's chicken salad looks great.

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I was a little more impressed by Kyle against the Niners. Although we still did not really run the ball, we had lots of short outlet passes which resembled runs - kind of like long hand-offs. This meant that we were not putting the QB in the position where he had to win the game for us, unlike in games past. Asking either Wrecks or Beck to win the game for us, as we have done in several games, has no hope of working. Kyle's game plan against the Niners was an improvement.

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[quote=Lotus;856702]I was a little more impressed by Kyle against the Niners. Although we still did not really run the ball, we had lots of short outlet passes which resembled runs - kind of like long hand-offs. This meant that we were not putting the QB in the position where he had to win the game for us, unlike in games past. Asking either[B] Wrecks[/B] or Beck to win the game for us, as we have done in several games, has no hope of working. Kyle's game plan against the Niners was an improvement.[/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;856699]They(coaches) are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken poop but Harbaugh's chicken salad looks great.[/quote]

I don't pretend to follow the Niners that much but it looks like they have some good pieces.

Frank Gore is a top 5-10 back.
They have a good OL.
Patrick Willis is really good.
Young talent on defense.
Davis is a good TE.
Ginn is a ST weapon.

So, theyve got some pieces to work w/.

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[quote=redsk1;856720]I don't pretend to follow the Niners that much but it looks like they have some good pieces.

Frank Gore is a top 5-10 back.
They have a good OL.
Patrick Willis is really good.
Young talent on defense.
Davis is a good TE.
Ginn is a ST weapon.

So, theyve got some pieces to work w/.[/quote]

More than Shanny had when he took over that's for sure.

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Apparently we're not rebuilding...

dcsportsbog Dan Steinberg
Shanny tells Grant Paulsen he doesn't even know what he means by "rebuilding."

RickMaese Rick Maese
Shanahan doesn't use word "rebuilding." Says young guys are in there because of injuries #redskinswp

...or maybe we are!

dcsportsbog Dan Steinberg
And now Shanahan says he told Kyle two years ago they were going to have to rebuild the football team.

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A rose by any other name...

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[quote=Mattyk;856722]More than Shanny had when he took over that's for sure.[/quote]

True, but when given square pieces, Harbaugh does a great job of making the holes square to fit them in. Good D, good running game- manage it well and don't force Alex Smith to win or lose the game for you. He's done a fantastic job at adjusting the game plans to accentuate his players strengths. Shanahan- not so much. He did a better job yesterday with the quick throws, but overall, he's trying to force his system, and not really adjusting.

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Speaking of coaching, kudos to Wade Smith for turning the Texans into a top D:

"AlbertBreer Albert Breer
Absolutely stunning: The Houston Texans have the NFL's No. 1-ranked defense. They were 30th last year. Amazing work by Wade."

But I guess the Texans were able to do this because they have a potent offense. I really thought the move would be a waste of Mario Williams, but when he was healthy he played well.

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[quote=Ruhskins;856841]Speaking of coaching, kudos to Wade Smith for turning the Texans into a top D:

"AlbertBreer Albert Breer
Absolutely stunning: The Houston Texans have the NFL's No. 1-ranked defense. They were 30th last year. Amazing work by Wade."

But I guess the Texans were able to do this because they have a potent offense. I really thought the move would be a waste of Mario Williams, but when he was healthy he played well.[/quote]

Wade Phillips? I think Wade Smith actually is a lineman for the Texans though...

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[quote=Ruhskins;856788]Apparently we're not rebuilding...

dcsportsbog Dan Steinberg
Shanny tells Grant Paulsen he doesn't even know what he means by "rebuilding."

RickMaese Rick Maese
Shanahan doesn't use word "rebuilding." Says young guys are in there because of injuries #redskinswp

...or maybe we are!

dcsportsbog Dan Steinberg
And now Shanahan says he told Kyle two years ago they were going to have to rebuild the football team.[/quote]

I bet he also told Kyle we're going to DC to fatten our bank accounts!!
rebuilding asskickin, whats the freaking difference.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823e2286/article/shanahan-warned-son-kyle-not-to-take-redskins-oc-job?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Shanahan warned son Kyle not to take Redskins' OC job[/url]

Interesting. Kyle choose to be here and Mike only kinda wanted him

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[quote=Ruhskins;856698]I still don't understand this. If the Shanahan's were going to install an offensive system regardless of the roster, then building up the offense should've been the priority.[/quote]

There were an enormous amount of holes on both sides of the ball. It was simply deemed that there were more on defense considering the switch in schemes. Plus I'm still convinced that 75% of any given offense is the qb, wich we do not have. Peyton Mannings absence this year proves that IMO. We simply didn't think that there was anyone good enough to pick up/draft this offseason. We're not going to take someone we think will be bad because we already have someone who is bad. That's dumb.

Plus there's been way more injuries to the offense than defense.

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[quote=Mattyk;856722]More than Shanny had when he took over that's for sure.[/quote]

We will eventually come to the realization that this is a process that's going to take time to complete. Shanahan has been reluctant at times to use the word "rebuilding", but it's clear, situations and circumstances have forced him to go with younger players that are gaining valuable experience.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/This-is-what-rebuilding-looks-like?blockID=589260&feedID=6458]This is what rebuilding looks like[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;856722]More than Shanny had when he took over that's for sure.[/quote]I think this is fallacious.

Shanny took over a team that had Jason Campbell, Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Albert Haynesworth, Andre Carter, Brian Orakpo, London Fletcher, Carlos Rogers, DeAngelo Hall, and LaRon Landry. That core was as talented as any core that changed its coaching staff over in the last two seasons.

I think it would be correct to say that that core hasn't produced very much in the Shanahan era. But plenty of the blame for that lies in who they decided to keep and who they decided to jettison.

And if Harbaugh had taken the job and decided to start gutting the roster of talented guys who didn't fit his scheme: dumped Smith, traded Vernon Davis, benched Crabtree, brought in some veterans to fill holes on defense instead of playing young guys like Navarro Bowman, Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks, and Ricky Jean-Francois, I think it's safe to say the 49ers wouldn't be 7-1 and seriously eyeing the super bowl.

But whose fault would that be? Mike Singletary's fault? Trent Baalke's fault? I guess. In a world where the current guy is never responsible for the state of the roster, you have to find a scapegoat I suppose.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;856699]They(coaches) are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken poop but Harbaugh's chicken salad looks great.[/quote]

3 first round o-linemen, Pro bowl back, pro bowl TE, two WR's taken in the top 10. Given Alex smith isn't good, I don't think we can say its the same tools around him. I don't think it will be good chicken salad untill they get get a better qb, but the pieces around him prevent them from being chicken poop.

Plus when comparing us to them, we need to take into account injuries.

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The real test will be what will Harbaugh do when Alex Smith is a free agent at the end of this year. His hands were a bit tied because of the lockout, which is a big reason he didn't make many moves particularly at QB. But after this season, will he offer the big money to Smith and say "yes you're my guy" or will he say "thanks, but I just needed a temporary solution"

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[quote=SmootSmack;856876]The real test will be what will Harbaugh do when Alex Smith is a free agent at the end of this year. His hands were a bit tied because of the lockout, which is a big reason he didn't make many moves particularly at QB. But after this season, will he offer the big money to Smith and say "yes you're my guy" or will he say "thanks, but I just needed a temporary solution"[/quote]

My guess is he will get a raise (cap friendly and affordable) and if not, Kaapernick is being groomed.

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Our roster isn't anywhere close to what Harbaugh inheirited. The 49ers had a top-tier rush defense LAST YEAR(I knew very well not to start RBs against 'Frisco in fantasy). They improved their pass D by drafting Aldon Smith and signing 'Los(who's average play here might be partially related to the work environment.

Offensively, Vernon Davis and Frank Gore have been consistently productive since 2009 and are safe to consider "still in their prime". Our offensive talents were aging, mediocre, or just plain ass.

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[quote=musicmaster45;856867][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823e2286/article/shanahan-warned-son-kyle-not-to-take-redskins-oc-job?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Shanahan warned son Kyle not to take Redskins' OC job[/url]

Interesting. Kyle choose to be here and Mike only kinda wanted him[/quote]


I tried to tell people this. Noooo.... Reading coach speak and learning when they are bullshitting is key. When the guy says things, like in this article, and when he says "this is going to take time", he's telling you "this team sucks and we are rebuilding" without actually using those words. Team was so devoid of talent. It's just the Skins fans put their players on some sort of high pedestal that isn't indicative of their real talent. My only problem with his plan of rebuilding was bringing in McDummy.

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On a similar theme did anyone else hear on 106.7 FM the News section coming out of a break of the Lavar and Dukes show said that it's been reported the Skins are presently looking through the available WR's on the market to see what Vets are worth bringing in? It followed right after MS mentioned that people really don't know whats going on and (refering to players) some people need to stop running their mouths especially when they are not doing their job. lol.

So .... who gets brought in?

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[quote=SBXVII;856937]On a similar theme did anyone else hear on 106.7 FM the News section coming out of a break of the Lavar and Dukes show said that it's been reported the Skins are presently looking through the available WR's on the market to see what Vets are worth bringing in? [B]It followed right after MS mentioned that people really don't know whats going on and (refering to players) some people need to stop running their mouths especially when they are not doing their job[/B]. lol.

So .... who gets brought in?[/quote]

What?

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[quote=Ruhskins;856972]What?[/quote]

Wondering the same.. would like to see full question and answer... only thing I can think of is Gaffney mentioning being open several times

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[quote=musicmaster45;856867][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823e2286/article/shanahan-warned-son-kyle-not-to-take-redskins-oc-job?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Shanahan warned son Kyle not to take Redskins' OC job[/url]

Interesting. Kyle choose to be here and Mike only kinda wanted him[/quote]

The comment under the article mentions the opportunity cost (w/o using the term) of Mike choosing to blow up the defense instead of concentrating on the offense right off the bat. I think the honest observer would admit the defense isn't even as good as what he inherited, and especially if you consider that probably adding a great FS and one more corner and we'd have made that top 10 defense an elite one. Instead the offense is the worst it's been in several years and the defense is still worse than it was.

I can't effing believe Mike still has supporters...it's just laughable. Every football fan I talk to outside Skins fans (and even some of them) see Mike has lost it and most of the roster has mailed it in. Ugh.

On a brighter note the level of play apart from Washington has been better than I expected w/ the lockout and compressed preseason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;856876]The real test will be what will Harbaugh do when Alex Smith is a free agent at the end of this year. His hands were a bit tied because of the lockout, which is a big reason he didn't make many moves particularly at QB. But after this season, will he offer the big money to Smith and say "yes you're my guy" or will he say "thanks, but I just needed a temporary solution"[/quote]

Scary to think what the Niners will be w/ an elite QB!!!!!!!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;856916]Our roster isn't anywhere close to what Harbaugh inheirited. The 49ers had a top-tier rush defense LAST YEAR(I knew very well not to start RBs against 'Frisco in fantasy). They improved their pass D by drafting Aldon Smith and signing 'Los(who's average play here might be partially related to the work environment.

Offensively, Vernon Davis and Frank Gore have been consistently productive since 2009 and are safe to consider "still in their prime". Our offensive talents were aging, mediocre, or just plain ass.[/quote]

Shanahan inherited a better defense than Harbaugh did period end of sentence. What he chose to do w/ it is the real story.