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[quote=NC_Skins;860420]I hope Boeheim didn't call this alleged victim a liar in the press. This is exactly why child molestation victims are scared to open up. They should suspend Boeheim just for that statement alone. He needs to refer the media to the police and legal entities and talk about basketball.[/quote]

Boeheim probably shouldn't have said that. But he's defending a guy who he's worked with for 30+ years. Just a gut reaction, I'm sure.

Anyway, I certainly hope these allegations aren't true. If they are, Fine will be dealt with.

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[quote=GMScud;860467]Boeheim probably shouldn't have said that. But he's defending a guy who he's worked with for 30+ years. Just a gut reaction, I'm sure.

Anyway, I certainly hope these allegations aren't true. If they are, Fine will be dealt with.[/quote]

I understand where Boeheim is coming from, and he very well may be accurate about this being a sham/lie. That said, I still think the university needs to reprimand and suspend him for calling a alleged victim of child molestation a liar. They have to understand they have a huge power and influence and doing stuff like he did in the press just will prevent future kids from coming forward when they do get molested. Refer the case to the police/legal authorities and move onto basketball. At least McQueary is handling it correctly in terms of saying "We have to let this play out" before he comments about the case.


The case seems whishy washy to me unless somebody else comes forward (not related). The guy's body language in the interview wasn't compelling to me.

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Penn State case about to go federal?

[url=http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/18/8877564-penn-state-case-feds-consider-launching-criminal-inquiry]Open Channel - Penn State case: Feds consider launching criminal inquiry[/url]

Sounds like it. Multiple criminal activities taking place in multiple states sounds like a federal case to me. That can't be good for Sandusky.

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[quote=mooby;860514]Penn State case about to go federal?

[url=http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/18/8877564-penn-state-case-feds-consider-launching-criminal-inquiry]Open Channel - Penn State case: Feds consider launching criminal inquiry[/url]

Sounds like it. Multiple criminal activities taking place in multiple states sounds like a federal case to me. That can't be good for Sandusky.[/quote]

Penn State situation will go federal because if all the allegations are true, they would have violated the Clery Act.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860541]Penn State situation will go federal because if all the allegations are true, they would have violated the Clery Act.[/quote]

great now i gotta google it!
[url=http://bit.ly/unP59B]Let me google that for you[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;860420]I hope Boeheim didn't call this alleged victim a liar in the press. This is exactly why child molestation victims are scared to open up. They should suspend Boeheim just for that statement alone. He needs to refer the media to the police and legal entities and talk about basketball.[/quote]


The other part of the quote you left out:


[quote]"I know this kid, but I never saw him in any rooms or anything," Boeheim told ESPN. [/quote]


The rest of the quote you posted:


[quote]
"It is a bunch of a thousand lies that he has told. You don't think it is a little funny that his cousin (relative) is coming forward?
"He supplied four names to the university that would corroborate his story. None of them did ... there is only one side to this story. He is lying."
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The person who alleged these crimes is making Boeheim part of the situation. Saying flat out that the guy is lying might be a little strong, but i dont think its out of lines by any means.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I don’t think child abuse victims are hesitant to come forward because they are afraid of being called a liar by the accused, because most reasonable people assume a person accused of something so serious will deny the charges against them. They dont come forward because of the stigma we all attach to people who have been molested and the shame it causes them. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We also attach a stigma to people accused of rape, sex crimes or sexually deviant behavior in general. Our society does this regularly without conviction or prosecution (Rothlisburger), often even without evidence, details or knowledge of what someone’s even being accused of (Herman Cain), and sometimes even whens theres a lot of contradictory evidence and even proof of non-guilt (Duke). Neither you or me know if the Syracuse assistant coach did anything or not, and neither of us are passing judgment, but that’s not the case for a while lot of people or people who just see a headline and don’t look further into an allegation. People have every right to defend themselves and their name as vocally as theyd like against accusations that will forever be attached to them. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The court of public opinion skips the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and regularly makes it’s mind up off of headlines, accusations, and by associating separate incidents together. Let’s say the Syracuse accusation goes nowhere in a month, 6 months or a couple years and we don’t hear anything about it. No one is going to go look into what happened, how things played out, why the chargers wernt filed, if the allegations were baseless or any of that, but we will all remember that the associate head coach at Syracuse was accused of something like what happened at Penn State. At least now if it doesn’t go anywhere people will remember the accusers claims were very vocally disputed. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Could you imagine being wrongly accused of something like that? It has to be the worst thing to be wrongly accused of by far. It could ruin your life. The coach at Syracuse was immediately put on administrative leave, that’s how powerful these accusations are. And false reports are rarely prosecuted, even in cases where the accuser admits to making it up. In time we may find out if Bernie Fine is guilty of these accusations, however, we will likely never know if he was truly “innocent”. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also from the article:[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[quote]"At this time, all we really know is that a terrible tragedy is unfolding for both the accuser and the accused," Cantor said[/quote]

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/11/18/Syracuse.Bernie.Fine.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3]Police: Syracuse didn't contact us in 2005 - NCAA Basketball - SI.com[/url]

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[url=http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_29239/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Cih2GGNt]PennLive : Attorney: Jerry Sandusky family member made recent allegation[/url]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7301912/penn-state-nittany-lions-lawyer-jerry-sandusky-talk-guilty-plea]Penn State Nittany Lions -- Lawyer for Jerry Sandusky might talk guilty plea - ESPN[/url]

Noooooo really?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;860581]great now i gotta google it!
[URL="http://bit.ly/unP59B"]Let me google that for you[/URL][/quote]

That made things much clery to me.

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[url=http://deadspin.com/5863865/my-second-mile-how-i-grew-up-with-the-now+doomed-organization?tag=pennstatescandal]My Second Mile: How I Grew Up With The Now-Doomed Organization[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;864497][url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7301912/penn-state-nittany-lions-lawyer-jerry-sandusky-talk-guilty-plea]Penn State Nittany Lions -- Lawyer for Jerry Sandusky might talk guilty plea - ESPN[/url]

Noooooo really?[/quote]

There are no plea bargains with prison justice.

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[quote=mooby;864593]There are no plea bargains with prison justice.[/quote]

That right there is the tag line to the Steven Seagal movie. Well done

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[quote=mooby;864593]There are no plea bargains with prison justice.[/quote]

Unfortunately prison justice is extremely rare with protective custody. Most "prison rapes" are actually instances of consensual sex. And thats not a joke.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;864612]Unfortunately prison justice is extremely rare with protective custody. Most "prison rapes" are actually instances of consensual sex. And thats not a joke.[/quote]

Come on man, I'd still like to believe one day Jerry Sandusky will get what's coming to him. Don't spoil the moment.

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[quote=mooby;864650]Come on man, I'd still like to believe one day Jerry Sandusky will get what's coming to him. Don't spoil the moment.[/quote]

Well most pedo's, even Jerry Sandunsky, are heterosexual so he won't be having consensual relations while in custody if that makes you feel better. I know it's ironic as hell and I don't want to get to far into why they might prefer one sex over the other or why most are indiscriminate when it comes to their victims , but percentage wise they are very very very rarely homosexual.

[quote] the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;864661]Well most pedo's, even Jerry Sandunsky, are heterosexual so he won't be having consensual relations while in custody if that makes you feel better. I know it's ironic as hell and I don't want to get to far into why they might prefer one sex over the other or why most are indiscriminate when it comes to their victims , but percentage wise they are very very very rarely homosexual.[/quote]

Even if dude was gay, it's not like that prevents him from being raped. Hopefully it's game on in the showers at whatever prison they send him to. They should tattoo a target right on his ass.

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[quote=mooby;864650]Come on man, I'd still like to believe one day Jerry Sandusky will get what's coming to him. Don't spoil the moment.[/quote]

Jeffrey Dahmer did.

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[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/13/joseph-amendola-jerry-sandusky-lawyer-gay-sex-line-_n_1146788.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003"]Worst....Lawyer...Ever[/URL]

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I ... I .... I'm just speechless.

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Saw that on Twitter earlier. I guess he's going for the "we have no shot in hell with all the overwhelming evidence, so let's play the 'hail mary crazy theories" card.

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Well...maybe the glove won't fit.........

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[quote=SmootSmack;867796][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/13/joseph-amendola-jerry-sandusky-lawyer-gay-sex-line-_n_1146788.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003"]Worst....Lawyer...Ever[/URL][/quote]

He was doing well right up to the 1-800-REALITY line. I mean thats how he should play it, saying that if what McQueary saw was so brutal why was his only action telling Joe Paterno instead of the police and why was the punishment being banned from the showers instead of once again, telling the police? Of course it ignores the complete incompetence and corruption of the Penn State officials but you get the point.

Ironically though that line will now get more customers then ever in the next few months because of this.

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Wow, this guy makes Saul look tame

[url=http://www.bettercallsaul.com/]DUI? Dealing Drugs? Better Call Saul![/url]

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[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/12/tim-curley-gary-schultz-penn-state-/1]2 Penn State officials to stand trial in Sandusky case[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;867855]Wow, this guy makes Saul look tame

[url=http://www.bettercallsaul.com/]DUI? Dealing Drugs? Better Call Saul![/url][/quote]




:laughing2


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[quote=NC_Skins;869021]:laughing2


[IMG]http://www.bettercallsaul.com/media/images/adheader_b.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

You got that right!

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Sally Jenkins abuses 85 year old man in wheel chair
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/joe-paternos-first-interview-since-the-penn-state-sandusky-scandal/2012/01/13/gIQA08e4yP_story.html]Joe Paterno’s first interview since the Penn State-Sandusky scandal - The Washington Post[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7462065/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-says-know-how-handle-jerry-sandusky-abuse-report]Penn State Nittany Lions -- Joe Paterno says he didn't know how to handle Jerry Sandusky abuse report - ESPN[/url]

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Paterno's been taken off his respirator. Family and close friends have been told to say their final good byes to him.

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Wow....what a sad ending to a great career...his decline has been soo....fast.

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[quote=SmootSmack;877562]Paterno's been taken off his respirator. Family and close friends have been told to say their final good byes to him.[/quote]

just terrible. thoughts and prayers to him and his family

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[quote=SmootSmack;877562]Paterno's been taken off his respirator. Family and close friends have been told to say their final good byes to him.[/quote]

I don't respect how he handled the situation at Penn State but it's sad to hear that he might go out like this. My thoughts are with his family.

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[quote=Hog1;877563]Wow....what a sad ending to a great career...his decline has been soo....fast.[/quote]

What's sad is not his how his career ended, the sad part is innocent children were allowed to be molested over the years by a monster and they sit back and did nothing. That's the sad part.


I do feel for his family though. My thoughts go with them as it's never easy to lose a loved one.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7487990/joe-paterno-penn-state-legacy-more-scandal]Joe Paterno's Penn State legacy should be more than scandal - ESPN[/url]

I think it says a bunch about a person's morality and character when he's willing to put a man's legacy over the fact he enabled child molestation. I wonder if Ivan Maisel would have written this article if it were his kids that got molested.

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[url=http://www.phillytrib.com/commentaryarticles/item/1683-question-corbett]Question Corbett’s role in PSU scandal[/url]

Good read about the governor.

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[quote=NC_Skins;877577]What's sad is not his how his career ended, the sad part is innocent children were allowed to be molested over the years by a monster and they sit back and did nothing. That's the sad part.


I do feel for his family though. My thoughts go with them as it's never easy to lose a loved one.[/quote]

In all honesty I have no need for you to qualify or justify my thoughts or statements. I have no particular love or hate for Joe. I find it a shame that his monumental legacy is forever tainted but I have no illusions as to what.....I think he should have done with regard to the Jerry Sandusky/Penn State case. There will be plenty of outrage to go around for many years to come......

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[url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe-paterno-dies-in-hospital-doctors-promise-to-te,27125/]Joe Paterno Dies In Hospital; Doctors Promise To Tell Their Superiors First Thing Tomorrow | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;877967][url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe-paterno-dies-in-hospital-doctors-promise-to-te,27125/]Joe Paterno Dies In Hospital; Doctors Promise To Tell Their Superiors First Thing Tomorrow | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url][/quote]

One of my friends posted this on facebook and had the below quote under it.



[quote]...and if their superiors fail to notify the family then **** it. They'll find out eventually, right?[/quote]

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Well look what we have here.

[url=http://deadspin.com/5917453/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow]Report: Emails Indicate Ousted Penn State President Allegedly Said Not Reporting Jerry Sandusky To Cops Would Be "Humane"[/url]


[quote] The NBC report said investigators have "major new evidence," including emails exchanged in 2001 between Spanier and university officials Gary Schultz and Tim Curley, both of who [sic] are already facing charges of perjury and failure to report suspected child abuse.

Investigators told NBC the emails show that Spanier and Schultz decided it would be "humane" to Sandusky to not involve legal authorities.
[/quote]


They thought it would be "humane" not to inform the cops of a child molester. I think the "humane" thing to do to these guys is to drag them out of their house burn them at a stake on their front lawn. ****ing pieces of shit.

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[url=http://deadspin.com/5917764/report-former-penn-state-administrator-had-a-secret-file-on-jerry-sandusky]Report: Former Penn State Administrator Had "A Secret File" On Jerry Sandusky[/url]


I hope these assholes go to jail for a very long time.