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[quote=Giantone;876366]Chris Mortanson(sp) just went over that on ESPN's NFL 32,and what he says is Peyton still could'nt play now,....not ever again.[/quote]

So why not retire and save the Colts the anguish of having to release him. How much of that contract has already been paid to him?

I am not asking so we can sweep in and sign him, but just as a what should they do? Can they restructure it to not pay him much next season but have incentives if he plays in 2012 or for that would it take a release and resign type of deal? But if you are the Colts how do you keep a QB that is that old when you presumably have the next great QB starting for you?

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[quote=mooby;876405]Not surprising. [B]I would hope that BA and Shanny have every possible contingency scenario prepared out by the time the draft comes[/B]. Now obviously you can't prepare for [I]every[/I] possible scenario, but I know we will definitely go in with multiple options. We can't put all our eggs in one basket, as they say. I just hope that by the time May comes around we have a definitive qb of the future in hand.

@Diehard: I'd imagine if Peyton's neck is beyond reparable, we'll be talking about his retirement sometime this offseason (probably training camp or so I'd imagine) and that's where the focus will shift.[/quote]
You and me both! If last years draft maneuvers are any indication, I think they know what they are doing.......

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[quote=12thMan;876339]A pretty good source just dropped on me that Peyton has been medically advised to never play again. If true, I'm sure it'll leak out soon enough.

If so, the Skins should totally stay away from this guy.[/quote]

If so then the Skins need "to" jump on this one. Contact him and bring him in as QB coach. As KS is coaching the QB's on technique in practice, P.Manning could be coaching the QB's as to reading defenses and where to go with the ball.

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[quote=SBXVII;876421]If so then the Skins need "to" jump on this one. Contact him and bring him in as QB coach. As KS is coaching the QB's on technique in practice, P.Manning could be coaching the QB's as to reading defenses and where to go with the ball.[/quote]

You can't have a player just retire and come in as a coach. There is a process. Now I realize Peyton has played like a coach his entire career calling his own plays and whatnot, but just because you were a really good player doesn't automatically equate to you being a good coach. You typically come in as a quality control guy, learn the ropes, then move your way up. That's just not realistic. Coaches put in twice as many hours as the players do. Well the good ones anyway.

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Don't know if any of you heard Mike and Mike this morning, but I will fill you in on what John Clayton reported during the show.

The Colts as of this moment are willing to keep Manning and draft Luck. As well as pay Manning's contract. Irsay, the new GM, and Caldwell are all on board with keeping PM. So there is our answer folks Manning will either retire or be a Colt. The three I mentioned above do not want to release Manning and be the ones to run Manning out of town.

As far as the coaching option, I do not see Manning coaching anywhere but with Indy. #1 He has a good relationship with Luck #2 He does not wnat out of Indy #3 He really likes his roots there.

So as cool as this sounded just a short while ago, this is not going to happen.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;876509]Don't know if any of you heard Mike and Mike this morning, but I will fill you in on what John Clayton reported during the show.

The Colts as of this moment are willing to keep Manning and draft Luck. As well as pay Manning's contract. Irsay, the new GM, and Caldwell are all on board with keeping PM. So there is our answer folks Manning will either retire or be a Colt. The three I mentioned above do not want to release Manning and be the ones to run Manning out of town.

As far as the coaching option, I do not see Manning coaching anywhere but with Indy. #1 He has a good relationship with Luck #2 He does not wnat out of Indy #3 He really likes his roots there.

So as cool as this sounded just a short while ago, this is not going to happen.[/quote]


Good news for Manning and the Redskins in my opinion. This has always been what made the most sense for the Colts.

Whats interesting to me is that you say Manning and Luck have a good relationship with each other? I wonder how that came about or how/if that will change once Luck becomes Manning's backup/replacement.


Also im almost certain that ive heard before that Manning isnt really a guy that spends time teaching and coaching up his back ups, much like weve heard about Farve. Has anyone heard the same thing or know if thats true?

I would think the only way Indy pays him the 28 million in March is if Manning agrees to work with Luck and and has a transition plan. Either that or Indy is planning on taking Luck and auctioning him to the highest bidder. If Manning is really healthly or gets completely healthy he could be a QB for 4 more years.

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Going from a healthy Manning (assuming he is) to a unproven Luck would be a step back or two for the colts.

What they could get for that first pick good easily boost this team back up and ride Manning for a few more years.

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[quote=mlmpetert;876514]Good news for Manning and the Redskins in my opinion. This has always been what made the most sense for the Colts.

[B]Whats interesting to me is that you say Manning and Luck have a good relationship with each other? I wonder how that came about or how/if that will change once Luck becomes Manning's backup/replacement.[/B]


[B]Also im almost certain that ive heard before that Manning isnt really a guy that spends time teaching and coaching up his back ups, much like weve heard about Farve[/B]. Has anyone heard the same thing or know if thats true?

I would think the only way Indy pays him the 28 million in March is if Manning agrees to work with Luck and and has a transition plan. Either that or Indy is planning on taking Luck and auctioning him to the highest bidder. If Manning is really healthly or gets completely healthy he could be a QB for 4 more years.[/quote]

#1 Question. Luck and Manning met and became friends at a Manning Qb School, I do not know if this was prior to college or during college and if it was more than once. Something that is slipping my mind is that I believe that Luck actually has come out to the camp o help out in coaching kids up recently. Could be wrong but that may be another connection in their relationship. Apprently they have a good relationship and talk to each other from time to time.

#2 Question. From what I have read and heard I think we can see some proof in the pudding in that Manning takes all of the practice snaps and does not allow others to get in work during practice. In this I would see where Manning would be a bad QB to learn under because he is more focused on his own preperation than others. This was talked about a long time ago in this thread.

Your last paragraph would be the whole crux of the situation IF Manning was able to come back healthy. From what we are hearing and reading now though this seems to be a long shot and may not ever come about.

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No way does Indy keep both Manning and Luck next year. Whether Manning is healthy or not it sure looks like Indy's cleaning house and turning the page.

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Well during John Clayton's interview I mentioned above he stated that the GM had looked at Coach Caldwell and felt good about keeping him. Just five short hours later he was fired. So maybe John was just giving his opinion, but it sure sounded like what he was talking about was a matter of fact not conjecture. So who knows once again.

It does sound like one thing is for sure though, PM is not healthy.

I tend to agree with you Skinsfan, why would the Colts keep an injured 36 yr that costs over 28mil this year, the bonus is just part of his 2012 salary, he will also make his regular game check come Sept.

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Whatever the case, I think Manning is losing leverage the longer this drags out.

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Most starting QBs take the majority (if not all) of the first team snaps

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#1- Didn't coach Caldwell just get fireD?
#2- Manning might not like whoever is brought in.
#3- I've said it once I'll say it again. The Colts owner has stated "If Manning is healthy he will keep him and play him, if Manning can no longer play he will let him go, but he will not be trading Manning."

^ take it how you want but just last week I heard a rumor that Mannings doctor has advised Manning not to play ever again. Supposedly Manning does not want this out and it is believed that this advisement will probably find a way to get out.

My comment about Manning becoming an Asst. coach was based off the fact that he probably won't want to leave the game, probably after hearing he can no longer play want to be close to the game and start coaching, and has a formidable amount of knowledge he could pass on. I didn't say he should be made OC, or HC, or any sort of thing. All I said was Asst. coach which actually would probably be some sort of quality control guy. However I could see him being a QB coach because he could help whoever is at QB learn technique, learn how to read defenses, and help come up with all sorts of handy signs and signals to use during a game.

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Now Chris Russell is reporting that Saturday is retiring further throwing a monkey wrench into a potential Skins deal.

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[quote=12thMan;876819]Now Chris Russell is reporting that Saturday is retiring further throwing a monkey wrench into a potential Skins deal.[/quote]

Russell is saying he's definitely retiring? Or that he's considering it?

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/18/jeff-saturday-may-retire/]Jeff Saturday may retire | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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@SS..considering.

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So what is the deal with Manning's health? Is he even able to throw the ball with any type of zip? Seems to me that this thing is pretty serious since he wasn't even able to play one snap all year. He didn't even practice. Hopefully the Skins have learned their lesson with the whole McNabb mess and look the other way. I don't want a 36 year Manning with a bad neck.

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I don't want Manning period. This team is not that close to winning a championship. If BAL or SF doesn't win the SB, those two teams should shoot for Manning. And let's not forget NYJ.

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[quote=diehard;876843]I don't Manning period. This team is not that close to winning a championship. If BAL or SF doesn't win the SB, those two teams should shoot for Manning. And let's not forget NYJ.[/quote]

"IF" Manning was 100% healthy and was capable of taking a hit then I'd say ok lets try to get him as our QB next year. I think it's difficult to say lets pick him up if he's let go and hopefully by Sept. he will be cleared to play. I would not do it with that in mind.

What I would do however is bring him on with some type of contract agreement that "IF" he can't play then perhaps he would stay as a coach in some capacity. He proves his worth I could see him being a OC somewhere down the road and possibly a HC.

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[quote=12thMan;876819]Now Chris Russell is reporting that Saturday is retiring further throwing a monkey wrench into a potential Skins deal.[/quote]

Two off beat topix....
1- everytime I hear the name Saturday I think of the old tv show with the detectives. But it was Joe Friday from Dragnet. lol.

2- everytime someone posts something in regards to Chris Russell I think of the guy who does the rap songs about the Skins.

I don't know why but it happens.

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[quote=diehard;876843]I don't want Manning period. This team is not that close to winning a championship. [B]If BAL or SF doesn't win the SB, those two teams should shoot for Manning.[/B] And let's not forget NYJ.[/quote]


O-M-G, I never thought of that! Thanks for the extra sleepless nights! If B-more got him it would be hell to live here, it is bad enough I have to pray that they lose this weekend.

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Lets not go after Manning cause the Redskins are clearly more then one player away from getting to a SB. and while were at it we might as well not throw away 2 picks this year and 1 or 2 picks next year to move up to get RGIII cause .... you know we are not one player away from getting to the SB so lets not waist our picks on one person.

I think I got that right. :)

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Call me crazy but IDW Peyton Manning here, and IDT he'd want to come.. He's 36 years old with a major Neck problem. Lets start fresh with our own guy please

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talk on Rome today that they both are considering retiring together. both are too old for my liking

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I don't think he'll be cleared to ever play again for one but I'd rather he be signed to the coaching staff, not the players roster.

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Haha..Rob Lowe just tweeted that Peyton Manning is retiring. Shit's crazy.

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[quote=12thMan;876884]Haha..Rob Lowe just tweeted that Peyton Manning is retiring. Shit's crazy.[/quote]

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped following Twitter

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[quote=12thMan;876884]Haha..Rob Lowe just tweeted that Peyton Manning is retiring. Shit's crazy.[/quote]This is LIT-TERALLY the craziest thing I've ever heard.

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[quote=SBXVII;876882]I don't think he'll be cleared to ever play again for one but I'd rather he be signed to the coaching staff, not the players roster.[/quote]

If he's going to coach anywhere I think it will be in Ind.

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[quote=12thMan;876884]Haha..Rob Lowe just tweeted that Peyton Manning is retiring. Shit's crazy.[/quote]


....who?Wait....never mind .

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[quote=Mattyk;876887]Thanks for reminding me why I stopped following Twitter[/quote]

You know you could've just unfollowed rob Lowe right? :)

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It's all the same crap.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;876888]This is LIT-TERALLY the craziest thing I've ever heard.[/quote]

LOL. Nice.

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usa today wrote a piece on rob lowes tweet :doh:

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/01/actor-rob-lowe-says-peyton-manning-will-retire/1]Rob Lowe says Peyton Manning will retire; father, agent say no[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;876889]If he's going to coach anywhere I think it will be in Ind.[/quote]

I'll agree with you but if the team picks a HC that does not run a similar offense he might choose elsewhere. I'd imagine he'd want to work with his brother first vs going to a rival of his brother.

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[quote=SmootSmack;869911]a New York Jet.

Bringing Mark Sanchez to the Washington Redskins.

Some of you I've told this to already. But here it is for the rest of you.

The key is the Colts taking Andrew Luck and deciding to move on without Peyton Manning. If that happens. Then the Jets want him, and word is the feeling could be mutual.

Feeling is with that defense and running game, Peyton could get one (maybe two) rings to wrap up his career, a la John Elway. I'm not so sure about that, but whatever that's the thought. And then there's also the whole Peyton and Eli both in New York angle. I guess Archie Manning has been letting the Jets quietly know that Peyton would love to play there, again only if the Colts plan to move forward without him. And Rex Ryan and the front office are really intrigued by the possibility. They really like Sanchez but feel that they should be a much more dominating team then they are and are ready to win multiple titles now. And Manning in the short run might give them a better chance at that. As for Manning to the Redskins, I haven't really heard any legit talk about that. Not saying there isn't legit talk of it, I just haven't heard any. So I won't speculate

So then as for Sanchez, the thought for the Jets is try to get something like a 2012 2nd a 2013 1st, or two 2nd and a player. Something along those lines. They could get a young QB with one of those picks and let him sit for a year or two while Peyton plays.

Redskins are seriously considering making a move for Sanchez if he does become available. The thinking being is there a 2nd round QB this year that would be a better option than Sanchez? Tannehill/Foles, etc? I've been told though that they would absolutely not trade a 1st rounder. But they're not against moving multiple 2nd/3rd round picks and/or even recent fan favorites like Roy Helu.

It's always amazing what big name QBs get discussed in trade talks. I remember back in I guess it was October 2008 when I PMd Matty and said the Redskins were looking to trade Jason Campbell for a 3rd. And we both thought it was crazy. Especially since we were 6-2. But sure enough... Or this October when I heard Colt McCoy could be on the move. So a few days ago when I heard about this "starting QB who could be coming to DC", I actually at first thought this was Bradford, since I'd been guessing he'd be possibly traded. Josh Freeman also crossed my mind. But no, it was Mark Sanchez. Checked with a Redskins source, a Jets source, and a media source. They all have verified this rumor. Again, it all hinges on Manning. But if that first domino falls, everything changes.

So to basically modify a bit what NC_Skins heard, which was "Should Peyton Manning become available we would plan to be a player" my info is "Should Peyton Manning become available (he Jets could make a move for him and) we would plan to be a player (for Mark Sanchez)

So anyway, that there is the big rumor that I heard this week. Quote me elsewhere and you're banned :)


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Why would the Jets trade Sanchez after just three seasons, two of which he led them to AFC title games? And do so in order to replace him with an aging veteran? Manning has been the best QB and in my opinion, the best player in the NFL for the past 7 or 8 years.

As far as Sanchez being a Redskin, I don't want him. His game is just as full of flaws as Rex Grossman. The only thing that's good about Sanchez is that he's still young. I don't personally want any NFL quarterbacks that have been on the cover of GQ Magazine.

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two franchises that were in the AFC championship game 2 years ago are now probably two of the most dysfunctional in the league...wow.

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[quote=SBXVII;876927]I'll agree with you but if the team picks a HC that does not run a similar offense he might choose elsewhere. I'd imagine he'd want to work with his brother first vs going to a rival of his brother.[/quote]

I would guess he wouldn't want to step on his brother's toes.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;876947]Why would the Jets trade Sanchez after just three seasons, two of which he led them to AFC title games? And do so in order to replace him with an aging veteran? Manning has been the best QB and in my opinion, the best player in the NFL for the past 7 or 8 years.

As far as Sanchez being a Redskin, I don't want him. His game is just as full of flaws as Rex Grossman. The only thing that's good about Sanchez is that he's still young.[B] I don't personally want any NFL quarterbacks that have been on the cover of GQ Magazine.[/B][/quote]


I know! You can have that Tom Brady guy what a loser! All he does is lose. We need non-GQ guys here that win! :doh: