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[quote=Paintrain;876721]Sorry but this makes zero sense. Getting the (allegedly) most coveted player at the position in free agency AND trading up to get RGIII???

Put. The controller. Down.[/quote]

I think not. We'd get a decent QB to take over the reigns at 26 y/o who learned as an understudy to an awsome QB. Mean while RGIII doesn't have to thrown into the fire right away. He can sit back and learn from Flynn until he gets up to spead of the NFL, learns the system, and is ready to play. It's called developement. But if it upsets you to develope a raw talent then we can always pick a late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder like Tannehill, Weeden, or whoever to develope.

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[quote=Paintrain;876721]Sorry but this makes zero sense. Getting the (allegedly) most coveted player at the position in free agency AND trading up to get RGIII???

[B]Put. The controller. Down.[/B][/quote]

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[quote=Paintrain;876721]Sorry but this makes zero sense. Getting the (allegedly) most coveted player at the position in free agency AND trading up to get RGIII???

Put. The controller. Down.[/quote]

Yeah it's one or the other. RG3 and a veteran QB to back him up, or Flynn and a mid to late round QB to develop makes more sense.

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[quote=SBXVII;876737]I think not. We'd get a decent QB to take over the reigns at 26 y/o who learned as an understudy to an awsome QB. Mean while RGIII doesn't have to thrown into the fire right away. He can sit back and learn from Flynn until he gets up to spead of the NFL, learns the system, and is ready to play. It's called developement. But if it upsets you to develope a raw talent then we can always pick a late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder like Tannehill, Weeden, or whoever to develope.[/quote]

Just not realistic scenario, but you did say in a perfect world. Way too many QB hungry teams around to think the Redskins could gobble up what is supposedly the best free agent QB and the third best QB in the draft. What makes it more unrealistic is to assume the Redskins would have the cap space available to sign the top receivers in free agency as well. Even with the rookie salary cap, your franchise can't put itself in cap hell, and I'm afraid that's exactly what would happen.

I think the best case scenario is that the Redskins go out and pick up a decent, young free agent who could manage a better season than Rex Grossman, and draft Tannehill or Foles (even though I just have doubts about Foles.) I would LOVE to have Andrew Luck or RG III, and I DO think it's very possible for the Redskins to land one of those two guys, but the more I think about it, the more I'm not so sure the Redskins would move up to draft one of those guys.

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btw if you all compare schaub when he was a backup to vick for the falcons, and Flynn backing up rodgers, Flynn has much better numbers than schaub. Just saying.

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[quote=SBXVII;876663]My perfect world:

The Pack won't be tagging Flynn. The Skins offer whatever it takes to get him. No draft picks I'm talking money amount. Then we pick up RG3 in the draft. We grab some WR weapons in the FA bidding war and the Skins finally get an "A+" for their offseason moves and draft. Let the QBs battle it out for the starting spot. Maybe start Flynn and work RG3 in on some spread package that's added. If RG3 is the man lets work him into more playing time and we could trade Flynn next year or keep both.[/quote]

It's not so far fetched to think we could sign Flynn at a fairly reasonable cost. Even though he'll get more than he probably has earned. There are only a handful of teams that need a starting QB. Big assumption here though.

It's not far fetched to think we could then add a QB in the draft a sit him a year if it's RGIII, Foles, or Tannehill, etc.

Not saying we'll go out and pay big money for a FA WR, but I like the scenario. Look Flynn has been a backup and I'm sure he wants to start somewhere. He'll get every opportunity to start here.

I've mentioned this before, but we could then have essentially two good QB pieces or if one doesn't pan out, we'll have a backup.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;876797]btw if you all compare schaub when he was a backup to vick for the falcons, and Flynn backing up rodgers, Flynn has much better numbers than schaub. Just saying.[/quote]

That's a weak comparison. The numbers are misleading in this case. Schaub was a potential starter when he came out of UVA drafted in the 3rd round by Atlanta. They picked him because Vick couldn't stay healthy and they needed someone to come in and play at a decent level. Flynn was drafted in the 7th round to be nothing more than a backup. He's developed to the point now where he is regarded as a potential starter based on a very small sample. Last year do we remember who was all the buzz as a late round pick who played relatively well in a small sample in a high pressure situation? Caleb Haine. How did that turn out?

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Caleb Haine and Matt Flynn is a hard comparison to make there bud.

Haine has looked pretty bad in his games under center, where as Flynn has played good to great in his starts.

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Think he was talking about how Hanie looked good last year in the playoffs.

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I was also using the playoffs last year as a measure of evalutation, from what my memory serves me (which is a bad thing to rely on) I don't remember Haine playing that well even in the playoffs. I believe he won a game, but tell me if I am wrong but he wasn't exaclty a world beater in that game.

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Probably not a great direct comparison to Flynn's situation, but I think his point was after that game Hanie was looked at as being a QB on the rise.

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[quote=Mattyk;876824]Probably not a great direct comparison to Flynn's situation, but I think his point was after that game Hanie was looked at as being a QB on the rise.[/quote]

Yeah, exactly. Bears fans were all excited because they had 2 "good young QB" and especially the way Cutler exited the NFC Championship game under questionable circumstances some extremes called for an open competition or even for Haine to be the starter. Some thought he was the real deal after one impressive performance but turned out to be a fluke when pressed into consistent action.

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[quote=Paintrain;876845]Yeah, exactly. Bears fans were all excited because they had 2 "good young QB" and especially the way Cutler exited the NFC Championship game under questionable circumstances some extremes called for an open competition or even for Haine to be the starter. Some thought he was the real deal after one impressive performance but turned out to be a fluke when pressed into consistent action.[/quote]

Case closed.

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Here is a nice write up.

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/18/2705447/2012-nfl-free-agent-profile-matt-flynn#storyjump]2012 NFL Free Agent Profile: Matt Flynn - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=SkinItup;871706]I agree. Sign him and draft at least one qb. We need competition at the position.[/quote]

That is exactly right; Redskins need a starter and a backup! To me that means a FA acquisition and a draft pick to fill the void. FA could be Rex, but I rather doubt that happens. To me, the two most likey FA QB's are Flynn and Hoyer in New England. Hoyer is restricted FA.

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[quote=SBXVII;876663]My perfect world:

The Pack won't be tagging Flynn. The Skins offer whatever it takes to get him. No draft picks I'm talking money amount. Then we pick up RG3 in the draft. We grab some WR weapons in the FA bidding war and the Skins finally get an "A+" for their offseason moves and draft. Let the QBs battle it out for the starting spot. Maybe start Flynn and work RG3 in on some spread package that's added. If RG3 is the man lets work him into more playing time and we could trade Flynn next year or keep both.[/quote]

By "spread package" I assume you mean something that involves using the shotgun formation. I'm just not sure the Shanahans modify the offense for anyone, not even RGIII. I can forsee the use of more rollouts and bootlegs, maybe even using the shotgun in slected down and distance situations, but not a wholesale change to that kind of system. Also Flynn is unrestricted FA and his acquisition will not involve the transfer of draft picks to Green Bay, so you get your wish on that one.

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[quote=diehard;876297]Just can't help but wonder what Flynn would've done against NYG last night. Rodgers did not have a great game at all. No you don't entertain the thought of benching Rodgers but, what's the reason for Rodgers' unimpressive play? Yes he was under pressure and sacked five times. Yes his WRs dropped a few few balls but, an equal amount of passes (if not more) were thrown off target.[/quote]

You make an excellent point. To me this just shows why Redskins should NOT put all their eggs in the QB basket! Redskins would be better served following the 49ers post-Smith plan, versus implementing the draft an "exceptional QB" plan. Ironically, the acquisition of Flynn may allow them to do just that by not giving up much needed draft picks to get the "could be but not sure" great QB in the 2012 draft.

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[quote=redskin29633;876900]By "spread package" I assume you mean something that involves using the shotgun formation. [B]I'm just not sure the Shanahans modify the offense for anyone, not even RGIII.[/B] I can forsee the use of more rollouts and bootlegs, maybe even using the shotgun in slected down and distance situations, but not a wholesale change to that kind of system. Also Flynn is unrestricted FA and his acquisition will not involve the transfer of draft picks to Green Bay, so you get your wish on that one.[/quote]

This is a pretty big myth, Shanahan has modified his offense plenty through the years.. Elway was mobile, Griese was a pocket passer, Plummer was a scrambler, Cutler more pocket, McNabb pocket (because he couldn't throw on the run anymore), Grossman pocket.. He adapts to the talent playing the position.

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[quote=redskin29633;876902]You make an excellent point. To me this just shows why Redskins should NOT put all their eggs in the QB basket! Redskins would be better served following the 49ers post-Smith plan, versus implementing the draft an "exceptional QB" plan. Ironically, the acquisition of Flynn may allow them to do just that by not giving up much needed draft picks to get the "could be but not sure" great QB in the 2012 draft.[/quote]

That's pretty much what Lorenzo Alexander said last night on Ch 4. He liked the idea of getting Flynn and holding onto the picks instead of dumping a bunch of picks into drafting a QB.

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[quote=Paintrain;876903]This is a pretty big myth, Shanahan has modified his offense plenty through the years.. Elway was mobile, Griese was a pocket passer, Plummer was a scrambler, Cutler more pocket, McNabb pocket (because he couldn't throw on the run anymore), Grossman pocket.. He adapts to the talent playing the position.[/quote]

All good points, but there needs to be a codicil. In all of those situations, Shanahan was simply not forcing guys into some system that they could not handle. He may indeed decide to draft RGIII, but I just don't believe you will see modifications to the offense beyond those I itemized (more rollouts and bootlegs with some limited situational shotgun plays).

[QUOTE=SBXVII;876879]Here is a nice write up.

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/18/2705447/2012-nfl-free-agent-profile-matt-flynn#storyjump]2012 NFL Free Agent Profile: Matt Flynn - Hogs Haven[/url][/QUOTE]

Good read

#Hail to the Redskins

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This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;876979]This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.[/quote]

Drew Brees won it, he was a free agent signing, and Kurt Warner went there as a FA to Arizona

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;876979]This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. [B]In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback.[/B] If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. [B]A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit.[/B] [B]In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position[/B].[/quote]

Sorry but you're wrong on both counts.

As CB59 has already mentioned Brees was a free agent in NO, and was orginally a 2nd round pick.

We've had our share of first rounders come through here, that alone should show you that a first round QB is far from any sort of guarantee for success.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;876979]This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a [B]quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL,[/B] only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.[/quote]

It is still more like 50/50. Look just at last years draft for comparison. It is not that easy to get a QB.

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In his defense, I think he just said a first round pick has played in the Super Bowl, not necessarily won. As have 2nd round picks, 6th round picks and FAs of course.

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You can win the super bowl with a free agent pickup at QB, you just can't win it with a third or fourth rate FA signing at quarterback.

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[quote=GTripp0012;877020]You can win the super bowl with a free agent pickup at QB, you just can't win it with a third or fourth rate FA signing at quarterback.[/quote]

Trent Dilfer disagrees. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=CultBrennan59;877001]Drew Brees won it, he was a free agent signing, and Kurt Warner went there as a FA to Arizona[/quote]

As I said, hit or miss. But how often does that happen? Very rarely. Warner won the Super Bowl in 1999 and lost it on 2008. Brees won it in 2009. Warner was not a free agent pick up coming from another team. He signed from off of the street without any NFL experience. As far as Brees goes, the Chargers did get a draft pick later from New Orleans as compensation. Brees was released due to the Chargers having spent a #1 draft pick on Phillip Rivers and Brees was coming off a career threatening shoulder injury.


From 2004 until 2010, a first round draft choice played quarterback in the Super Bowl. Anyway you put it, three first round draft choice QBs remain active in the playoffs which means one of them or two of them will be in the Super Bowl again for the 8th straight year.

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[quote=Mattyk;877003]Sorry but you're wrong on both counts.

As CB59 has already mentioned Brees was a free agent in NO, and was orginally a 2nd round pick.

We've had our share of first rounders come through here, that alone should show you that a first round QB is far from any sort of guarantee for success.[/quote]

You and several others completely misquoted me. I didn't say that Drew Brees, who was a 2nd round selection, and Kurt Warner, who was a free agent, didn't play in the Super Bowl. [B][I]Anything other than a frachise QB either hit or miss as a said in my initial post.[/I][/B]

I said nothing about the Redskins or their mess of quarterbacks under the Turner, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs II, Zorn, and Shanahan regimes. I said nothing about that either. Again, you misquoted me.

[B]I simply stated that the fact that during the last 7 Super Bowls, there has been a first round selection at quarterback that has played in the big game. Not necessarily won it but played in it. And there will be for the 8th straight Super Bowl one or two first round draft choices that will play in the Super Bowl in a few weeks. [/B]

So, most of the time, a first round draft choice playing quarterback is guaranteed success more so than a free agent QB or even a QB selected anywhere between the 2nd and 7th round of the draft.

Now, please quote me.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;877077]As I said, hit or miss. But how often does that happen? Very rarely. Warner won the Super Bowl in 1999 and lost it on 2008. Brees won it in 2009. Warner was not a free agent pick up coming from another team. He signed from off of the street without any NFL experience. As far as Brees goes, the Chargers did get a draft pick later from New Orleans as compensation. Brees was released due to the Chargers having spent a #1 draft pick on Phillip Rivers and Brees was coming off a career threatening shoulder injury.


From 2004 until 2010, a first round draft choice played quarterback in the Super Bowl. Anyway you put it, three first round draft choice QBs remain active in the playoffs which means one of them or two of them will be in the Super Bowl again for the 8th straight year.[/quote]

You cannot argue with data; you are absolutely correct.

Here is some more data you cannot argue with. Here are first round QB picks over the last decade or so who have been "less than satisfactory":
[INDENT]Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Duante Culpepper (injury ended his career early)
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey (fondly remembered around here...)
Byron Leftwich (not horrible but not great either)
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman (you already have a first round pick in town; why worry about getting another one)
JP Losman
Jason Campbell (Skins ditched that first round pick...)
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn[/INDENT]
The data say that you can find great QBs in the first round [B]AND[/B] that you can find mediocre QBs in the first round [B]AND[/B] that you can find QBs that just cannot play in the first round.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;877089]You cannot argue with data; you are absolutely correct.

Here is some more data you cannot argue with. Here are first round QB picks over the last decade or so who have been "less than satisfactory":
[INDENT]Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Duante Culpepper (injury ended his career early)
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey (fondly remembered around here...)
Byron Leftwich (not horrible but not great either)
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman (you already have a first round pick in town; why worry about getting another one)
JP Losman
Jason Campbell (Skins ditched that first round pick...)
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn[/INDENT]
The data say that you can find great QBs in the first round [B]AND[/B] that you can find mediocre QBs in the first round [B]AND[/B] that you can find QBs that just cannot play in the first round.[/QUOTE]

And there is no sure thing that luck won't be on this list or rg3

#HTTR

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Just a couple of thoughts:

Joe Montana - 4 Super Bowl rings: 3rd round draft pick, 82nd overall pick.
Tom Brady - 3 Super Bowl rings (and can possibly add a fourth) 6th round pick, #199.
Roger Staubach - 2 Super Bowl rings - 10th round draft pick
Bart Starr - 2 Super Bowl Rings - 17th round draft pick
Brett Favre - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 2nd Round pick
Joe Theismann - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 4th Round Pick

Of the six I mentioned, four have multiple Super Bowl rings. All have had multiple Super Bowl appearances. Of the ten multiple super bowl winning quarterbacks, four of them are not 1st round picks. And out of the four quarterbacks with the most super bowl wins (3 or more), two are on this list, the other two are first rounders.

Just another tidbit, of the three quarterbacks to have played in multiple Super Bowls and lose them all, two of them are first round picks (Jim Kelly and Craig Morton.)

While no doubt quarterbacks who are first round picks for the most part are first round picks because they're pretty doggone good. But, I think there are many aspects to a quarterback being developed into that great Championship quarterback other than just them being highly recognized coming out of college.

I think a lot also depends upon how much work that quarterback puts into making himself better after he turns pro - no matter if he's a first or a 7th round pick. So, I completely believe that there are quarterbacks that aren't highly regarded coming out of college, but can obviously work hard and move themselves into an elite status. And, it also has a lot to do with who those coaches are that is present during that development stage. I think it could come down to simply having the right coaches there and the guy who's willing to put 110% into improving himself. SO, I don't know if I would say you're virtually guaranteed a great quarterback in the first round.

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[quote=mlmpetert;876544]My opinion was, if Matt Flynn can be successful in GB’s offense then I think he has a high likelihood of finding success in our offense, partly because I view both offenses as very similar. But a couple people, namely GTripp and 30gut, kept saying that the systems are very different, so the argument that Flynn would be good in Kyle’s system because hes been good in GB’s system is flawed.[/quote]My point was and remains that if Flynn is successful in this offense its gonna because of his physical skillset not because the schemes are 'very similar'.
Which was a point being made here:
[quote=44Deezel;873224] System is very similar to Kyle's......And I don't get carried away with physical talents or "gifts".[/quote]
Valuing schematic familiarity over skillset.

Here's what I said then in response to the above quote:
[quote=30gut;873233]In what way?
In a sense all NFL systems are similar.
For me a similar scheme is one where the core concepts and verbiage are the same to the point where the name of the play in one system is either the same or very close to the name of the same play in the other system.
For example David Anderson came from Houston and was able to play right away because he spoke the language of our offense.
I don't think Green Bay and our offense share the same language.
Conceptually I see Green Bay's offense as 5-7 step drop vertical rhythm passing game heavy shotgun w/a focus that attacks sideline to sideline with downflied instride especially with crossers and posts that gain RAC yardage for the WRs; with a sprinkle under center offense with 3 TEs and muliple RBs.

I see our offense as a mix of boot-swap playaction passing and 3-5-7 step rhythm passing with a focus on zone beating in-breaking or stop routes that attacks down the center of the field.

.....But throughout your advocacy for Flynn you haven't mentioned anything about his skillset.
My point is that when you sign a QB you get their skillset not their production.

......I'm not predicting whether Flynn will be good/not good.
My point is that Flynn is no different then any other journeyman/second chance QB available (Jimmy Clausen, Chad Henne, Josh Johnson, Matt Moore, etc) and they all should be judged on their skillset not their production.[/quote]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;877086]You and several others completely misquoted me. I didn't say that Drew Brees, who was a 2nd round selection, and Kurt Warner, who was a free agent, didn't play in the Super Bowl. [B][I]Anything other than a frachise QB either hit or miss as a said in my initial post.[/I][/B]

I said nothing about the Redskins or their mess of quarterbacks under the Turner, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs II, Zorn, and Shanahan regimes. I said nothing about that either. Again, you misquoted me.

[B]I simply stated that the fact that during the last 7 Super Bowls, there has been a first round selection at quarterback that has played in the big game. Not necessarily won it but played in it. And there will be for the 8th straight Super Bowl one or two first round draft choices that will play in the Super Bowl in a few weeks. [/B]

So, most of the time, a first round draft choice playing quarterback is guaranteed success more so than a free agent QB or even a QB selected anywhere between the 2nd and 7th round of the draft.

Now, please quote me.[/quote]

Gotcha.

I just don't see how first rounders are any sort of guarantee.

There are plenty of notable busts that show otherwise.

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Testy around here. It's offseason, I guess. We'll know soon enough.

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[quote=12thMan;877117][I][B]Testy [/B][/I]around here. It's offseason, I guess. We'll know soon enough.[/quote]Don't use that kind of potty language around here! This is a family forum!!!

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RGIII is a game changer plus he brings excitement back to DC.

[QUOTE=tc2deuce;877122]RGIII is a game changer plus he brings excitement back to DC.[/QUOTE]

He'd be the face of out once proud franchise.. we haven't had that in years

#HTTR

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[quote=Mattyk;876824]Probably not a great direct comparison to Flynn's situation, but I think his point was after that game Hanie was looked at as being a QB on the rise.[/quote]

Kiper and McShay were referring to both him and Hoyer a lot during the pre-draft process last year as examples of late round QB's that could find starting jobs in the near future and fetch draft picks for their current teams. I think Flynn was also included in that discussion.


[quote=12thMan;877117]Testy around here. It's offseason, I guess. We'll know soon enough.[/quote]

................**** you.......um lol jk haha. but srs **** you lol jk haha