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Assuming we don't make any major QB move prior to the draft, and RG3 is there at 6 it probably would be hard to justify passing on him. And probably even Tanehill to some extent. But who knows what they will ultimately decide.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880388]Assuming we don't make any major QB move prior to the draft, and RG3 is there at 6 it probably would be hard to justify passing on him. And probably even Tanehill to some extent. But who knows what they will ultimately decide.[/quote]

If Tannehill is drafted at 6 by us I am going to drink and cry myself to sleep.

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I think we all need to stop digging at each other... and that includes me. I think we all have the same concerns and same wants, we don't want to see Grossman nor Beck again, we want the team to pick a decent QB, we want that QB to be a decent decision maker and help make this team succeed. I really don't care who they pick and really can see all of them working out better then what we got. Id prefer as probably the majority here that the team just take a QB in the draft and find a way to make it work. I'm almost inclined to wish they would draft 2 QBs and let them battle it out for who's starting. But I have a feeling the team will want one vet on the team, for some reason I think that is common amongst HC's. I also hope that no matter who is the starter next year this coaching staff gets their itshay together and finds a way to accentuate the positives of said starter vs not playing to their abilities and expecting the QB to adjust completely to their system.

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Ditto Earthquake ditto

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I know that Chris Russell has been pushing this issue hard lately, and there's been conflicting reports, but I'm beginning to think there's something to it.

[url=http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=766507-redskins-very-interested-in-matt-flynn?]Redskins | Very interested in Matt Flynn? - NFL Hot off the Wire[/url]

The Washington Redskins might target free-agent QB Matt Flynn (Packers) when free agency opens in mid-March. The Redskins are "very interested" in Flynn, according to one source within the organization. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and head coach Mike Shanahan had a detailed conversation about Flynn's Week 17 performance against the Detroit Lions in which he tossed six touchdown passes.

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Back from Chicago - - on a trip with "The Client From Hell"... Pardon me while I exhale for a moment.

The three way trade I have been hearing about for the last two weeks or so which involves the Skins/Rams/Vikes is definitely on the [B]back burner [/B]at the moment because the Vikes supposedly want two players - - potential starters - - and not as many lower round picks.

There is a ton of time to negotiate all of this because the draft is not going to happen for the next twelve weeks; but at the moment, this one is "not happening". Stay tuned because this could be the "hot topic" starting again tomorrow at noon. That is the essence of the NFL off-season.

For the record, there is a huge difference between when a trade can be announced officially and when a trade becomes so widely known that the fact that it has been consummated can no longer be denied. Sort of like some free-agent signings that happen immediately after the signing window opens... Amazingly, those teams and the agents for those FAs figure out all the details in about 32 minutes flat.

However, as of this moment, decrease the probability that the Skins get Bradford and give up Orakpo plus picks as their end of the deal.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;880394]Back from Chicago - - on a trip with "The Client From Hell"... Pardon me while I exhale for a moment.

The three way trade I have been hearing about for the last two weeks or so which involves the Skins/Rams/Vikes is definitely on the [B]back burner [/B]at the moment because the Vikes supposedly want two players - - potential starters - - and not as many lower round picks.

There is a ton of time to negotiate all of this because the draft is not going to happen for the next twelve weeks; but at the moment, this one is "not happening". Stay tuned because this could be the "hot topic" starting again tomorrow at noon. That is the essence of the NFL off-season.

For the record, there is a huge difference between when a trade can be announced officially and when a trade becomes so widely known that the fact that it has been consummated can no longer be denied. Sort of like some free-agent signings that happen immediately after the signing window opens... Amazingly, those teams and the agents for those FAs figure out all the details in about 32 minutes flat.

However, as of this moment, decrease the probability that the Skins get Bradford and give up Orakpo plus picks as their end of the deal.[/quote]

Interesting. I think most of us here would say Orakpo going to them and back into a 4-3 defense makes the Rams better. I don't know that Bradford coming here makes the Skins a ton better. I would think the Rams should be offering the Skins draft picks included in the trade to sweeten the lot vs the Skins tossing in draft picks to sweeten the pot.

Who knows maybe Bradford turns out to be the next Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breeze. I just don't see it but if that's the plan I hope it works out.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880390]If Tannehill is drafted at 6 by us I am going to drink and cry myself to sleep.[/quote]

Tannehill not ready to be a QB in this league. Sorry he just isnt.

We draft him a 6th to sit the bench I guess. Might as well start a thread of who replaces Shanny after this year if Tannehill is the starter outta camp, double digits loses will be close behind.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;880403]Tannehill not ready to be a QB in this league. Sorry he just isnt.

We draft him a 6th to sit the bench I guess. Might as well start a thread of who replaces Shanny after this year if Tannehill is the starter outta camp, double digits loses will be close behind.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you, I have watched him play and saw him live here and he looked avg at best.. he has some upside but not the 6th pick worthy

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[quote=Higskin;880393]I know that Chris Russell has been pushing this issue hard lately, and there's been conflicting reports, but I'm beginning to think there's something to it.

[url=http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=766507-redskins-very-interested-in-matt-flynn?]Redskins | Very interested in Matt Flynn? - NFL Hot off the Wire[/url]

The Washington Redskins might target free-agent QB Matt Flynn (Packers) when free agency opens in mid-March. The Redskins are "very interested" in Flynn, according to one source within the organization. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and head coach Mike Shanahan had a detailed conversation about Flynn's Week 17 performance against the Detroit Lions in which he tossed six touchdown passes.[/quote]

Until someone other than Chris Russell says it, I'm going to stick with they are not interested

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;880415]Until someone other than Chris Russell says it, I'm going to stick with they are not interested[/QUOTE]

I just have a good feeling he'll be in Miami

[QUOTE=los panda;880344]has there ever been a more physically gifted wr than calvin johnson?[/QUOTE]

Yeah um TO

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[quote=SBXVII;880402]Interesting. I think most of us here would say Orakpo going to them and back into a 4-3 defense makes the Rams better. I don't know that Bradford coming here makes the Skins a ton better. I would think the Rams should be offering the Skins draft picks included in the trade to sweeten the lot vs the Skins tossing in draft picks to sweeten the pot.

Who knows maybe Bradford turns out to be the next Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breeze. I just don't see it but if that's the plan I hope it works out.[/quote]

My rumor mill scenario had Orakpo going to the Vikes not the Rams.

The reality is that most of the NFL execs know that the Skins covet a new QB who can actually play. Therefore, no matter what any of us may think about the greatness of any Redskins roster player at the moment, the fact is that if the Skins are trying to acquire a QB - - player or draft pick - - the Skins are going to have to "pay up" to get him. Execs around the league know for sure that the Shanahans are not going to go into the 2012 season with Grossman, Beck and "some guy who led a Division III team to the playoffs" as their QB tandem.

The reality is that the teams holding the QB or the draft pick that the Skins think they want/need are in the driver's seat as of now.

But that could change dramatically once the free-agency period starts if the Skins sign a viable free-agent. The guy they might sign need not be Drew Brees or anyone of that caliber just so it is a guy that folks can believe is the team's focus as the starting QB. That alone would change the price tag on a trade for a draft pick...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;880420]My rumor mill scenario had Orakpo going to the Vikes not the Rams.

The reality is that most of the NFL execs know that the Skins covet a new QB who can actually play. Therefore, no matter what any of us may think about the greatness of any Redskins roster player at the moment, the fact is that if the Skins are trying to acquire a QB - - player or draft pick - - the Skins are going to have to "pay up" to get him. Execs around the league know for sure that the Shanahans are not going to go into the 2012 season with Grossman, Beck and "some guy who led a Division III team to the playoffs" as their QB tandem.

The reality is that the teams holding the QB or the draft pick that the Skins think they want/need are in the driver's seat as of now.

But that could change dramatically once the free-agency period starts if the Skins sign a viable free-agent. The guy they might sign need not be Drew Brees or anyone of that caliber just so it is a guy that folks can believe is the team's focus as the starting QB. That alone would change the price tag on a trade for a draft pick...[/quote]

'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though

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[quote=SmootSmack;880422]'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though[/quote]

True 'dat.

And I told you originally that I did not see why Orakpo to the Vikings was a great idea from the Vikings' standpoint...

Nonetheless, the word as of late this afternoon is that this deal has cooled down.

And you are absolutely correct about the need to sign a credible FA at QB prior to the draft just so the 5 teams ahead of the Skins cannot effect highway robbery just to allow a team that is desperate for a QB to move up a few spots in the draft.

My favorite of the FAs at QB would be Orton. I think he will get more than a bit of attention but he would be my pick if there were no other constraints on the selection.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;880418]Yeah um TO[/quote]i just don't remember him winning as many jump balls as moss or calvin johnson

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Shame to see what's happening, potentially, with Peyton Manning's career. I know Irsay was hoping he could play one more year and retire at least on his own terms. But that's looking, unfortunately, like less and less of a possibility

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That said though, I don't see him retiring right away. Might as well wait through the spring and summer to see how he recovers...if he recover

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it is a shame, but at least he won a ring

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[quote=los panda;880427]i just don't remember him winning as many jump balls as moss or calvin johnson[/quote]


He did, T.O may have been a crybaby but he brought it every single game.. He has way too much pride not to.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;880437]He did, T.O may have been a crybaby but he brought it every single game.. He has way too much pride not to.[/quote]i don't doubt that he brought it every game, i just want some visual evidence of those jump balls

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[quote=los panda;880438]i don't doubt that he brought it every game, i just want some visual evidence of those jump balls[/quote]

He didn't do it like CJ81 OR Randy Moss but he surely was one of the best to ever play IMO

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that's what i mean, he's one of the best ever. but i just meant physically gifted. he didn't have the vertical that they did/do

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[quote=los panda;880441]that's what i mean, he's one of the best ever. but i just meant physically gifted. he didn't have the vertical that they did/do[/quote]


Ah Gotcha

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[quote=los panda;880441]that's what i mean, he's one of the best ever. but i just meant physically gifted. he didn't have the vertical that they did/do[/quote]

I think T.O. could get vertical and go after a ball, but probably not as good as CJ or Moss.

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i wonder how high don hutson could get.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880422]'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

[B]I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though[/B][/quote]

What's David Gerrard up to? I was surprised nobody picked him up last season. If he's been working out maybe he deserves a look?

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i'd take orton or campbell over gerrard. I'd still prefer Flynn. We need one of them BEFORE the draft just in case we can't swing a trade.

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Peyton news
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30/report-peyton-hits-a-plateau/]Report: Peyton hits a plateau | ProFootballTalk[/url]

could take up to a year to know if he will be able to play again.

If I were the Skins, after he was released I'd offer him as a QB with the understanding he's helping to coach and when or if he's ever healthy he could start again. I just don't think he will be healthy enough and he'd be better served as a coach not only to assist with the young guys but he'd be another young coach to side with KS down the road plus all his knowledge of plays and routes.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880428]Shame to see what's happening, potentially, with Peyton Manning's career. I know Irsay was hoping he could play one more year and retire at least on his own terms. But that's looking, unfortunately, like less and less of a possibility[/quote]

Looks like Rob Lowe was correct. Really ashame, gotta feeling feeling might see a press conference a couple days after the superbowl from Indy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880422]'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though[/quote]

Is there a possibility somewhere through the rumor mill telephone game someone is blending two different scenarios? Say the Skins contacted the Rams with a Orakpo and picks for Bradford or the #2 spot, and then the team contacted the Vikes about a different trade to get to the #3 spot ahead of Browns in order to get RGIII?

Otherwise one would have to wonder what the Vikes want from us or what the Vikes want from the Rams or what the Rams might want from the Vikes that includes them in a 3 way trade.

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[quote=SBXVII;880483]Is there a possibility somewhere through the rumor mill telephone game someone is blending two different scenarios? Say the Skins contacted the Rams with a Orakpo and picks for Bradford or the #2 spot, and then the team contacted the Vikes about a different trade to get to the #3 spot ahead of Browns in order to get RGIII?

Otherwise one would have to wonder what the Vikes want from us or what the Vikes want from the Rams or what the Rams might want from the Vikes that includes them in a 3 way trade.[/quote]

I don't know. I mean, like I said, I haven't heard any mention of Vikings and Redskins so I can't really speak to that.

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[quote=The Goat;880466]What's David Gerrard up to? I was surprised nobody picked him up last season. If he's been working out maybe he deserves a look?[/quote]

30 some years old coming off back surgery. Going to be tough for him

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[quote=los panda;880452]i wonder how high don hutson could get.[/quote]

Hutson beat people with speed not size or leaping ability.

The "Alley Oop" maneuver was "invented" by YA Tittle and RC Owens of the SF 49ers back in the mid-50s. Owens also blocked a long field goal attempt once by standing under the crossbar and jumping up to block the ball as it was about to sneak across the bar.

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[quote=The Goat;880466]What's David Gerrard up to? I was surprised nobody picked him up last season. If he's been working out maybe he deserves a look?[/quote]

I believe Gerrard has a back/neck/vertabrae "issue" and that scared teams off.

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[quote=SBXVII;880480]Peyton news
[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30/report-peyton-hits-a-plateau/"]Report: Peyton hits a plateau | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

could take up to a year to know if he will be able to play again.

If I were the Skins, after he was released I'd offer him as a QB with the understanding he's helping to coach and when or if he's ever healthy he could start again. I just don't think he will be healthy enough and he'd be better served as a coach not only to assist with the young guys but he'd be another young coach to side with KS down the road plus all his knowledge of plays and routes.[/quote]

If any of the reports are accurate & he's not anywhere near his old self, that is a blessing in disguise for him. He should bow out before risking anything worse.

I would think if anything, for us I guess it would be bad news if he retires Not because the Skins would go after him, it would just reduce the no. of scenarios & options league wide in the QB carousel. I'd still prefer to see him retire rather than play elsewhere or play to a lesser standard.

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[quote=Chico23231;880481]Looks like Rob Lowe was correct. Really ashame, gotta feeling feeling might see a press conference a couple days after the superbowl from Indy.[/quote]

At this point seems like best case he sits out a year, and maybe tries to come back next year.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;880521]Hutson beat people with speed not size or leaping ability.

The "Alley Oop" maneuver was "invented" by YA Tittle and RC Owens of the SF 49ers back in the mid-50s. Owens also blocked a long field goal attempt once by standing under the crossbar and [COLOR="Red"]jumping up to block the ball as it was about to sneak across the bar[/COLOR].[/quote]

Is that legal nowadays?

Pm needs to call it a career

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[quote=Alvin Walton;880530]Is that legal nowadays?[/quote]

I was thinking that, too. Because it would make sense for someone to stand right in front of the goal post on those really long 55, 57 yard attempts that just barely make it through the bottom crossbar. Someone with enough height could probably block it.