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[quote=GTripp0012;883990]The problem I have with acknowledging the improvement from year one to year two of the Shanahan clan is that you have to ignore how much the team (offense and defense) declined from year one B.S. (before Shanahan) to the first year of the Shanahan clan. If you understand statistical regression, it makes what was accomplished this year sort of expected.

And giving him credit for tearing apart any established talent on the team before heroically leading the offense back to where Jim Zorn and Steve Spurrier had gone before just seems like an aggressive ploy to give meaning to an era of Redskins football that has been pretty meaningless. But that's just me.

With that said, I don't have a huge problem with how Mike Shanahan has attempted to solve the problem he got handed in 2010. It's just that I think that both the execution and results have been clumsy. I believe that Shanahan's model could have been replicated by about 27 other coaches in this league with more success. Of course, those 27 are employed by other teams and it's not like we could have just hired them away, so this is probably just sour grapes on my part. Might as well live with what we have.

And if what we have next year is Rob Chudzynski, I think we'll all be better for it.[/quote]

I have to agree with you. But I think this team had soo much change going on year in and year out nothing could get done. and to top it off the changes were not condusive to what they wanted to do. Gibbs1 used big heavy OL who were slow. Turner got rid of that and tried to get smaller faster OL. By the end of his career I think he was reverting back to the heavy OL. Marty didn't have a chance. Spurrier was an idiot. Gibbs2 meant bringing in big OL again and by year 2 Saunders wanted smaller faster OL. Zorn wanted to start using the WCO which needs smaller OL and using the zone blocking would have been better but he had OL who were used to man blocking.

MS came in and basically thought he could get by with what we had and it didn't work. So year 2 he sheds some of the aged players and brings in young healthy players. Now they need to get expierence. I think yr3 will look a lot better since these guys will know the system better. WR is definitly a need. I'd keep Gaffney and AA, lose Moss(age), Austin, Banks, and bring in a couple FA WR's if possible and draft another to compliment Hankerson.

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[quote=The Goat;883994]I didn't know what I thought of the Lexus first time I saw it either...kind of reminded me of an edgier 350Z. A friend has the Z convertable sweet car no doubt but not for $375k. More I looked at it the Lexus looks like a race machine and the performance is inane!!![/quote]
I was never a fan of the 350Z. I wish Nissan would go back to the old 280Z style. But thats me. I do kinda like the 370Z but it's price is outragous.

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[quote=SBXVII;883992]In any event I find it weird how everyone has a totally different idea of where the Skins are at and how far they need to go.

1- we are way off and need to save our draft picks and trade back.
2- we are so close we just need a quality QB.
3- we need a Vet lets get PM.
4- lets not get PM cause he's never going to play again.
5- lets get Orton cause he's 100x better then Grossman.
6- lets go all in for RGIII. because it's all about the QB position.

AAAAHHHHH. Again I don't think we are far away from the play offs but I'm tired of being the Offseason SB team only to struggle during the season. A lot of us fans were wanting the Skins to follow the N.E. example of using the draft to build a team. Did they ever throw two or three yrs worth of top picks away for any one player? I don't recall them doing so.

A- will PM be healthy? who knows but he's a FA and we keep our draft picks. His knowledge is invaluable and could help the team.

B- Orton to me is not much of an upgrade over Grossman.

C- Flynn although a backup is healthy, showed he can make all the throws, and did fairly well against arguably one of the better defenses Detroit.

D- RGIII. I get it. he's awesome. but who will he be throwing to? Moss is getting old, and Hankerson has not proven himself yet. Gaffney and AA?

E- Luck? I can actually see him falling to #6. If the Colts take RGIII then Luck is very similar to what the other teams already have maybe slightly better. I see the reason RGIII won't fall is because he is not like the others, he does so much with his own legs like Vick back in the day.

F- 2nd round QB's? I think they are closer then people give them credit for. Tannehill, Cousins, Wilson, Weeden, I belive could all start as long as they have a decent OL to provide protection and giving them time to find a target. Just like Andy Dalton.

and "F" is why I'm saying lets save our picks, trade back to aquire more picks, get a QB and some weapons and continue to build the OL. Defensively I'm confused about the talk of needing a CB because we have a ton of them. We need a FS who can cover sideline to sideline and help break up passes or make the tackle. I can buy the ILB a little bit for developement for when Fletcher retires. Otherwise OL, and WR's and QB's.[/quote]If we're not far off that only means there are multiple ways to get there.

You need depth and a quarterback. You need a quarterback and depth. Or maybe you need a stud running back with a young tight end to pair with Davis (while still having Cooley to run most of the under-center stuff), and the rest should go into the defense.

You can pair Chad Henne with Justin Blackmon and try to get your passing offense that way. That's probably not going to work as well as pairing RG3 with Joe Adams, Leonard Hankerson, and Josh Morgan. But it will probably work better than going with Ryan Tannehill, Dwayne Bowe, and Santana Moss.

But the thing is: none of that matters unless the Redskins improve across the board. They can still trade up for RG3 and improve across the board. It's possible. If you get rid of the players who are holding you back, it might even be considered easy. You can improve the entire roster through free agency, and get your QB in the draft. You can also get your QB in free agency and improve the depth of your roster through the draft.

The only problem is: none of that wasn't true in 2010 or 2011 as well. My biggest takeaway from the offseason to date is that the Redskins are trying to use the same approach as the last two years. Kyle and Mike still disagree on who can work in this offense, and they aren't going to arrive on consensus. They still want to trade up, but they don't want to pay too much. Kyle Orton is being thrown around as a solution.

The only thing that is different about this offseason is the Peyton Manning thing. Otherwise, it is business as usual.

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Thats what im saying Tripp about a Kyle vs Shanny thing on the offense. They dont seem to be on the same page when it comes to QB and most important, stratgy. I dont see why Henne not being talked about, he's a better option than Orton.

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Article by Chris Mortensen:
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/chris-mortensen-on-peyton-manning-to-the-redskins/2012/02/10/gIQAqpQE4Q_blog.html?wprss=dc-sports-bog]Chris Mortensen on Peyton Manning to the Redskins - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

[QUOTE]“I do think that Peyton’s next contract is not gonna be about can I be paid like Alex Rodriguez, I think it’s gonna be more about is this next team going to be good enough for me to go win. And by the way, the Redskins beat the Giants twice this year. So I don’t think that’s a horrific idea. I mean, I thought the Redskins should have drafted a quarterback last year. But if Peyton Manning’s coming back and playing, it’s going to be because he feels he can come back and play for the next three to five years. Who worries beyond that?”[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SBXVII;883997]I was never a fan of the 350Z. I wish Nissan would go back to the old 280Z style. But thats me. I do kinda like the 370Z but it's price is outragous.[/quote]

I wish Nissan would go back to being Datsun...did I just age myself?

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quote some gas prices to seal the deal

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[quote=Chico23231;884002]Thats what im saying Tripp about a Kyle vs Shanny thing on the offense. They dont seem to be on the same page when it comes to QB and most important, stratgy. I dont see why Henne not being talked about, he's a better option than Orton.[/quote]Yeah, I agree with you. Mike hiring Kyle as OC and then not deferring the QB situation to him ever to the point where "his guy" became Rex Grossman...I mean, that's your compromise?

I think Kyle is very limited as an offensive coordinator, but I would certainly trust his judgement when it came to picking his own quarterback. Certainly, it wasn't comforting when he went out last year on the radio and publicly backed John Beck as a starting quarterback type, and Kyle has some of Mike's propensity to make outrageous claims about football matters, but if Mike doesn't trust him enough to select the next QB of the Washington Redskins, why did he hire him?

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[quote=SmootSmack;884006]I wish Nissan would go back to being Datsun...did I just age myself?[/quote]

Datsun? Yeah, you've said enough. You better sit down before you break a hip because you're too busy trying to think of the good ol' days.

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[quote=mooby;884010]Datsun? Yeah, you've said enough. You better sit down before you break a hip because you're too busy trying to think of the good ol' days.[/quote]

Man those Datsun commercials I used to watch on UHF Channel 20 prior on my Zenith TV...

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[quote=SmootSmack;884006]I wish Nissan would go back to being Datsun...did I just age myself?[/quote]

Yes

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[quote=SmootSmack;884011]Man those Datsun commercials I used to watch on UHF Channel 20 prior on my Zenith TV...[/quote]

You know who you should hang with? Alvin Walton. You guys could sit on his front porch and spit chewing tobaccy while reminiscing about the days when the NFL didn't use to be, quote unquote, "a pansy league for sissies."

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[quote=SmootSmack;884011]Man those Datsun commercials I used to watch on UHF Channel 20 prior on my Zenith TV...[/quote]

:laughing-

You forgot the alumumum foil wrapped around the tip of the antenae and the rolling cart so you could move that Zenith around the house to get the best reception.

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Smoot, you are getting some love over on ES bro.


[quote]And neither one of us knows the true answer to this. With all the commotion on ES lately I've spent a lot more time on warpath, and their resident insider has said "Shannahan will apparently do whatever it takes to get Bradford/Luck, but it's funny he wasn't willing to do this two years ago for Bradford" take it for what it is. [/quote]


Not sure you quite said that, but I think he's making the point that Shanny was willing to move up to get Bradford/Luck but not for RGIII.



[quote]EDIT: This board has taken a terrible turn the past few weeks. I'll pop on and read through a few posts and be gobsmacked with the volume of stupidity. [/quote]

Found this funny. Hate to break it to him, but it been that way for longer than the past few weeks...lol

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[quote=Higskin;884019]:laughing-

You forgot the alumumum foil wrapped around the tip of the antenae and the rolling cart so you could move that Zenith around the house to get the best reception.[/quote]my uncle wraps his digital antenna

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[quote=SmootSmack;884011]Man those Datsun commercials I used to watch on UHF Channel 20 prior on my [B]Zenith TV[/B]...[/quote]

With the rabbit ears? yeah boy.

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[quote=Higskin;884019]:laughing-

You forgot the alumumum foil wrapped around the tip of the antenae and the rolling cart so you could move that Zenith around the house to get the best reception.[/quote]

Roll it around hell, you stick your kid there to hold the antenna and not walk away. lol.

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[quote=los panda;884008]quote some gas prices to seal the deal[/quote]

Man I can remember in VA in 94 gass was like 99cents and people were all up in arms driving around looking for the 80 cent gas. I'm so pissed it's not there now.

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NCSkins...maybe I should change my name to GobSmack

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[quote=SmootSmack;884032]NCSkins...maybe I should change my name to GobSmack[/quote]

[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MGMBwDSzuTc/TwH7YfpjSKI/AAAAAAAAAlo/b27-NkDgTCo/s400/jim%2Bzorn%2Bredskins%2Bthumbs%2Bup.png[/IMG]

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I wonder who this new Warpather is

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[quote=GTripp0012;883981]It is really a remarkable conundrum that Mike Shanahan has built for himself.

Ultimately what people say doesn't matter. If he trades up for RG3 and doesn't have enough depth to win, he's gone. If he sits tight at the quarterback position and builds depth and can't win close games because he doesn't trust the fifth quarterback he handpicked, he's gone. If he goes after Peyton Manning and bypasses a QB in the draft again and Peyton doesn't work out, he's gone.

And yet, if he completely and totally screws up the offseason but leads the team into a 10-6 finish in the regular season, then he gets his contract extended and everybody loves him. Because that's how the NFL works.[/quote]


Sad, but very true!

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[quote=NC_Skins;884033][IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MGMBwDSzuTc/TwH7YfpjSKI/AAAAAAAAAlo/b27-NkDgTCo/s400/jim%2Bzorn%2Bredskins%2Bthumbs%2Bup.png[/IMG][/quote]

THanks NC! I just regurgitated a taco salad!!! :vomit:

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[quote=SmootSmack;884032]NCSkins...maybe I should change my name to GobSmack[/quote]

I like it!

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[quote=SmootSmack;884036]I wonder who this new Warpather is[/quote]


His screen name is Mahons21 on ES, and he's obviously has some sense if he knows to come here over that loony bin. I fear word will get out about our little community and we'll be soon overrun with Vinny Cerrato clones (aka fans) crapping up the place.

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[quote=SBXVII;883983]Skinsguy, to scale it on another note I loved last years draft. All those years of being the "Offseason Mega Team" only to find out those FA's failed or didn't help much killed me. Other team fans would say "Oh here we go again the Skins are going to win the offseason SB only to lose come the regular season."

Now the team does something completely different then what they have done in the past (trading back for more picks and only limited FA pick ups) and it's like the media doesn't know what to do so they tie every FA QB to the Skins this year. The fans are just as bad like they are having DT's and need a fix... lets get PM, Orton, Flynn, Hoyer, Bowe, VJ, etc. etc. etc.

I think it's obvious we have a problem at QB. No one wants Grossman or Beck back next year so the team will definitly need a FA to either start or as a back up, and the same can be said for WR. Moss has been on the decline, but I think we keep him. Bring in a FA WR and draft both QB and WR to develope.

I'm also not a fan of the popular choice. When everyone thought all the QB's would be declaring it was all about Luck. I was somewhat interested in Barkley. Then it was all Luck and Barkley I kinda fell off the Barkley bandwagon and was interested in RGIII. Then RGIII started getting attention I looked at Landry Jones. Barkley and Jones decide to stay in college, the QB pool got thinner and Luck and RGIII are now the only two good QB's cause there is some HUGE drop off.

Now I'm on to Weeden. He's my Andy Dalton. Weeden has the arm to make all the throws. He already has some knowlege of our system. He plays well with others (lol) I mean the coaches and he get along. and lastly I heard or read from some retired QB that they like Weeden also because he throws the ball with a tight spiral and it doesn't matter how strong you are what really matters is how tight of a spiral you throw cause thats what will cut through the air on windy days.[/quote]

That's what gets me about the media as well. They have completely ignored the fact that Vinny Cerrato is no longer with the Redskins. Since Bruce Allen has taken over as GM, the Redskins have not been this "make a big splash in the offseason" franchise. That doesn't mean every player they pick up has worked out or will for the long haul, but they've made a lot better choices and smarter contracts than they have when Vinny was around.

Yet, like what GTripp said, Shanny puts himself in a tough situation. If picking up Manning is the best possible option for the Redskins, then it's going to be that the Redskins just HAD to make that big splash in free agency - even though the contract will probably be as such that works for both teams, not just some gigantic, overblown contract that puts the 'skins in cap hell. Yet, that part won't be discussed.

I guess "hatters are gonna hate"....LOL...I mean, "haters are going hate" but knowing if Manning signed with someone like Miami or NYJets, the media would be buzzing at how great this is for those franchises....lol!

I'll admit, I don't get as excited over the thoughts of Kyle Orton, or Foles over RGIII, but I'm like any other fan, I do tend to buy into the hype. I'll be the first one to admit that. I like the idea best of taking a chance on Manning and getting any one of those guys who are not Luck or RGIII, because I feel learning behind Manning would be great for any of those quarterbacks. And I like Weedon as well, but I think he'd be a short term solution (maybe five or six years.) I just know this team has went way too long to just settle. With that said, IF I know Snyder is patient with Shanahan and gives him a fourth year no matter what, I'd feel better about our chances if we couldn't get our guy this offseason.

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[quote=Mattyk;884042]I like it![/quote]

Of course, I read Gob and the first thing I think is...

[YT]SP_9zH9Q44o[/YT]

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[quote=SmootSmack;884011]Man those Datsun commercials I used to watch on UHF Channel 20 prior on my Zenith TV...[/quote]
No doubt you were watching the commercial only because the remote was only a twisted vision in Bill Gates head at that time.........

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[quote=skinsfaninok;883802]Shanny is a real good coach for one, he could play ELI Twice for 2 and winning a title in D.C will make him the KING of WSH forever.. Also DS likes to pay the $[/quote]I've got no idea why being the 'king' of WSH would be any better then the King of South Beach or New York etc....

3) Peyton Manning has plenty of money and he's already put out there that he's not asking to break the bank, rather an incentive based contract almost a play for pay type deal

2) Playing Eli twice a year is more of a reason not to play here

Peyton's respect for Mike Shanahan imo is our only real incentive.

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[quote=GTripp0012;883990]...And if what we have next year is Rob Chudzynski, I think we'll all be better for it.[/quote]If everything hits the fan this year we would be lucky, very lucky to land to Rob Chudzinksi.

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Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;884046]Of course, I read Gob and the first thing I think is...

[YT]SP_9zH9Q44o[/YT][/QUOTE]

A magician named...


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[quote=SmootSmack;884064]Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization[/quote]

No argument on any point but except for the coach the same could be said for a few other east coast teams.I still think Shanahan will have a hard time turning offensive control(during the game) to Manning.

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[quote=SmootSmack;884046]Of course, I read Gob and the first thing I think is...

[YT]SP_9zH9Q44o[/YT][/quote]

He's made a huge mistake.

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[quote=SmootSmack;884064]Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization[/quote]

All signs point towards a COLT becoming the next redskins QB. But I'm afraid we are not referring to the same Colt.

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[quote=iamsrk;884071]All signs point towards a COLT becoming the next redskins QB. But I'm afraid we are not referring to the same Colt.[/quote]

IM talking about Painter im not sure who your talking about

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[quote=iamsrk;884071]All signs point towards a COLT becoming the next redskins QB. But I'm afraid we are not referring to the same Colt.[/quote]

:doh:

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[quote=iamsrk;884071]All signs point towards a COLT becoming the next redskins QB. But I'm afraid we are not referring to the same Colt.[/quote]

Colt Brennan comeback!

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Never mind...Lotus beat me to it

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These guys are getting nauseating. Stop making baseless claims.