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[quote=T.O.Killa;894324]Pat Kirwin, I still say a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 1st is what it takes[/quote]

I have yet to hear of any teams that are willing to give that up. I can't imagine the Rams would just take the 2nd pick themselves and not take a team's 1st this year, 1st next year and a mid round pick (3rd or 4th).

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[quote=Mattyk;894330]Ray got 3 years $22M

Sounds about right for Fletch.

edit: Well, actually Ray's deal was a little complicated, here are the details

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/around_the_nfl/post/Sources-Lewis-deal-actually-seven-years;_ylt=AvUJPRmtHZVJccBEHKZGyQpDubYF?urn=nfl,147057]Sources: Lewis deal actually seven years - Around the NFL - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

Sounds more complicated than it is really. He makes $10M in the 1st year, $5.5M in the 2nd, and $6.5M in the 3rd. Whether they pay him in salary or option bonus or roster bonus or signing bonus, etc. etc., it's just a matter of accounting and how much they wanna push to the future. Very little is guaranteed after the $10M in year 1.

I've been expecting something very similar for Fletch. The 7 years is ridiculous and only there for show. The max deal I see for Fletch is 5 years with an obvious out/restructure in year 3.

Something like:

2012 - $10M
2013 - $6M
2014 - $8M
2015 - $8M
2016 - $10M

So 5 years $42M for the press, but in reality 2 years $16M. In 2014 everyone re-evaluates. I expect the bulk of the money to be salary and roster bonus, meaning very little money pushed to the future, and very few deadcap repercussions when we part ways.

IMO this would be fine and fair. Ya maybe we could hardball to save a mill or two somewhere but in the big picture it's negligible. If Fletch doesn't deserve a little "respect money" than who does? The poor guy's become this generation's Ken Harvey.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;894333]Sounds more complicated than it is really. He makes $10M in the 1st year, $5.5M in the 2nd, and $6.5M in the 3rd. Whether they pay him in salary or option bonus or roster bonus or signing bonus, etc. etc., it's just a matter of accounting and how much they wanna push to the future. Very little is guaranteed after the $10M in year 1.

I've been expecting something very similar for Fletch. The 7 years is ridiculous and only there for show. The max deal I see for Fletch is 5 years with an obvious out/restructure in year 3.

Something like:

2012 - $10M
2013 - $6M
2014 - $8M
2015 - $8M
2016 - $10M

So 5 years $42M for the press, but in reality 2 years $16M. In 2014 everyone re-evaluates. I expect the bulk of the money to be salary and roster bonus, meaning very little money pushed to the future, and very few deadcap repercussions when we part ways.

IMO this would be fine and fair. Ya maybe we could hardball to save a mill or two somewhere but in the big picture it's negligible. If Fletch doesn't deserve a little "respect money" than who does? The poor guy's become this generation's Ken Harvey.[/quote]

Good post, I hope we can keep him.

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[quote=redskins5044;894323]if that is true then bye bye RG3 i would not do that. i would take my chances with Tannehill/Weeden/Cousins/Foles and Orton.[/quote]

I said before that the skins should trade first round picks this year give next years 1st and Orakpo. Rob Jackson is good enough and ready to step in. RGIII is worth the investment.

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I dunno....look at what the Bears gave up for Cutler.
They are still sucking wind as a result.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;894340]I dunno....look at what the Bears gave up for Cutler.
They are still sucking wind as a result.[/quote]

Look at what the Giants gave up to get Eli...and they're wearing two rings.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;894327]Don't listen to that pile of bull, its going to cost us an arm and a leg to get RG3. The Redskins always knew that Payton Manning was not coming to us. They were hoping to use him as a smoke screen, but it backfired to a degree with [B]Payton [I][U]clearly saying[/U][/I] he does not want to play in DC[/B].[/quote]

He did? Proof?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;894340]I dunno....look at what the Bears gave up for Cutler.
They are still sucking wind as a result.[/quote]
They got to the NFC championship game in 2010 and looked pretty damn good until he got hurt this year. They have had the worst Oline and no recievers since he has been there. He has been worth every penny.

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Peyton hasn't said anything yet.

Let's not confuse rumors and hearsay with fact.

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[quote=whistler;894339]I said before that the skins should trade first round picks this year give next years 1st and Orakpo. Rob Jackson is good enough and ready to step in. RGIII is worth the investment.[/quote]

Then why don't throw in Rob Jackson instead.

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[quote=Lotus;894318]No way. The Rams will never get that much and it behooves them too much to make some kind of deal.[/quote]


they just did

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8278079f/article/redskins-acquire-second-overall-pick-in-deal-with-rams?module=HP11_breaking_news]NFL.com news: Redskins acquire second overall pick in deal with Rams[/url]

Wow! THREE first rounds and a second! Well, at least we're now a shoe in for RGIII.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;894311]I am starting to hear it could take 3 1st round draft choices for the Redskins to get RG3.[/quote]

You said this and I wrote it off. Sorry, my bad.

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This puts so much pressure on Griffin III to perform well enough. To give up so much to get him. Well, that's what happens when you're desperate and the Redskins were just that. I feel at this point Washington needs youth at the quarterback position. We know what Grossman is and we know how good Beck is. In training camp, the Redskins offensive coaches have to take a long, hard look at young quarterback Jonathan Crompton. I'd rather have him Backing up RG3. Since he was on the practice squad all last year, he should know the playbook well enough.

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I don't think giving up 2 extra first round picks for a player like RGIII is that bad. Someone like him does not come around very often. Plus, who knows how high those future first round picks will be. Hopefully, they can be more like the Beathard era where they find a lot of great players in the later rounds.

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[quote=exit0;894645]I don't think giving up 2 extra first round picks for a player like RGIII is that bad. Someone like him does not come around very often. Plus, who knows how high those future first round picks will be. Hopefully, they can be more like the Beathard era where they find a lot of great players in the later rounds.[/quote]No, but determining that the 39th pick was off limits and then trading it in addition to three firsts in the same week is getting reamed.

I get why they did it: Manning didn't play the role he was supposed to play in the Redskins leverage. So they panicked, and basically admitted that for two years they completely wasted our time because they needed a guy like RG3 all along.

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this is the best thing that they can do hail

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Welcome ..... please be the next Elway ..... we could use 17 years of greatness !!!

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More than anything I think it shows that the Tannenhill talk was a complete smoke screen. It makes me wonder what the Browns will do now. Does Tannenhill now go fourth? Or do they pass on him that high and try Flynn? I think it was absolutely right to settle this before Free Agency.

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[quote=rypper11;894722]More than anything I think it shows that the Tannenhill talk was a complete smoke screen. It makes me wonder what the Browns will do now. Does Tannenhill now go fourth? Or do they pass on him that high and try Flynn? I think it was absolutely right to settle this before Free Agency.[/quote]

It really does make some other QB needy teams feel the need to reach for a QB in the 1st round or overpay for a free agent.

We just snatched another one of the "no miss" qb's from other potential teams.

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If the Fletcher deal doesn't get done are there any MLB's out there to replace him? 7 million is insane for a guy his age

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I would like us to get either Lofton or Tulloch to replace him if he is still insisting on 8 mil per year or higher like some report. I know he is valuable, and he is one of my favorite, but 37 almost 38 years old, and getting more money than a Ray Lewis, come on man........

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Now if the Skins can get a great receiver for RG to throw to. They really need a real go to receiver that the opposing defense has to be afraid of.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;894741]If the Fletcher deal doesn't get done are there any MLB's out there to replace him? 7 million is insane for a guy his age[/quote]

Not for a guy that is tops in the league in tackles EVERY YEAR. NEVER MISSES A GAME. IS A HARDER WORKER THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER ON THE TEAM. AND, IS THE EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL LEADER OF OUR TEAM. Is my caps lock button broken? :)

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Just wondering if we might make a run at Peyton Hillis? We could use a power back to complement Helu, he should be reasonably cheap after having an off year, and he had a lot of success with Shanny in Denver. Maybe he's a good alternative to bringing back Hightower.

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[quote=Misterbillysells;894861]Just wondering if we might make a run at Peyton Hillis? We could use a power back to complement Helu, he should be reasonably cheap after having an off year, and he had a lot of success with Shanny in Denver. Maybe he's a good alternative to bringing back Hightower.[/quote]

Ew no.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;894741]If the Fletcher deal doesn't get done are there any MLB's out there to replace him? 7 million is insane for a guy his age[/quote]

7? Might want to jump that up to 9 ;)

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[quote=Misterbillysells;894861]Just wondering if we might make a run at Peyton Hillis? We could use a power back to complement Helu, he should be reasonably cheap after having an off year, and he had a lot of success with Shanny in Denver. Maybe he's a good alternative to bringing back Hightower.[/quote]

Wasn't Hillis running his mouth this past season? I like him but he got a little too headcase-y for me. Hopefully Hightower will be healthier this season and the o-line will be better. I wasn't thrilled with him early on last season, but he was also playing behind a lackluster line. Plus with Helu and Royster, I think we're pretty stacked at RB.

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Smoot, whose more likely to come here; Colston or VJack

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Tough tough call. Probably V Jack because Shanahan has loved him for years. Colston has been on our radar for years...but Morocco Brown's opinion first necessarily carry as much weight.

Market will be higher for Jackson, though both have flaws. I'm nervous about Jackson, but he could be another Jared Allen

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[quote=DC Tailgate;894957]7? Might want to jump that up to 9 ;)[/quote]

If that is the case, good bye London IMO.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;894973]If that is the case, good bye London IMO.[/quote]

I don't know if you remember a few years ago when Ray Lewis was a FA and people though he was going to sign with the Jets, where did end up? Same thing here, Fletcher will end up a Redskin. They can't get rid of the QB of the defense, he will sign back.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;894975]I don't know if you remember a few years ago when Ray Lewis was a FA and people though he was going to sign with the Jets, where did end up? Same thing here, Fletcher will end up a Redskin. They can't get rid of the QB of the defense, he will sign back.[/quote]

I really hope your right. He is the only remaining upcoming FA I care about.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;894975]I don't know if you remember a few years ago when Ray Lewis was a FA and people though he was going to sign with the Jets, where did end up? Same thing here, Fletcher will end up a Redskin. They can't get rid of the QB of the defense, he will sign back.[/quote]

I wonder if the Redskins are doing the same thing, let him test the market to see what his value is.

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Looks like [URL="https://twitter.com/#!/TheBlueScreen/status/178586375212371970"]Terrell Thomas may be hitting the market[/URL], I know some folks talked about him here.

Don't know if it was posted yet but Vikings to release Hutchinson

Also Cedric Griffin. There's a CB for us

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I think they'd like to bring Griffin back

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[quote=SmootSmack;894970]Tough tough call. Probably V Jack because Shanahan has loved him for years. Colston has been on our radar for years...but Morocco Brown's opinion first necessarily carry as much weight.

Market will be higher for Jackson, though both have flaws. I'm nervous about Jackson, but he could be another Jared Allen[/quote]

I'm warming back up to the idea of VJ. His ability to stretch the field with RGIII's arm?! Yikes