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I don't know if this means anything but

[url=http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html]George Zimmerman Video Shows Injury to Back of His Head - Yahoo![/url]

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[quote=saden1;906188]Can you say with certainty Zimmerman's didnt follow him repeatedly? We have Trayvon say he lost him, you have Zimmerman say he lost sight of him. Couple that with Zimmerman following him, saying "they always get away" and the fact that Trayvon ended up in a body bag you can make the case for repeated stalking.[/quote]

If you say so. I would suggest that the activity here is not what was contemplated Without looking into further, I readily admit I may be wrong. At the same time, I don't think you have the "malicious intent" aspect. I know you're convinced Zimmerman was out to hurt Martin - but,perhaps, he was just trying to make sure he knew where he was going. Following someone is not the same as stalking them.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;906203]If you say so. I would suggest that the activity here is not what was contemplated Without looking into further, I readily admit I may be wrong. At the same time, I don't think you have the "malicious intent" aspect. I know you're convinced Zimmerman was out to hurt Martin - but,perhaps, he was just trying to make sure he knew where he was going. Following someone is not the same as stalking them.[/quote]

I am fairly certain that I would not set bar at the lower threshold of manslaughter if I were convinced Zimmerman was guilty. I am also fairly certain that aggravated stalking can't be taken of the table.

This guy is out there strapped and profiling people he doesn't know.

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[quote=12thMan;906085]Not an assumption.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/31/trayvon-martin-funeral-director-no-signs-fight/]Trayvon Martin Funeral Director: No Signs Of Fight | Fox News[/url][/quote]


[quote=12thMan;906108]So I'll withhold judgement on Trayvon's bodily injuries or lack thereof until the conclusive autopsy report is made public.[/quote]

[url=http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html]George Zimmerman Video Shows Injury to Back of His Head - Yahoo![/url]


This is why you can't go on people like the Funeral Director and his assertion there was no scuffle. Remember how people thought the video showed no signs of a altercation? Apparently that wasn't true.



[quote]There was no obvious sign of any injury to Zimmerman's head or face on the video until it was enhanced. But the enhanced video does not show any visible injury to Zimmerman's nose, nor any signs of blood on his shirt. [/quote]



[quote]The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and his lawyer later claimed that Zimmeran suffered a broken nose. After receiving medical attention at the scene of the shooting, it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He did not check into the emergency room following the police questioning. [/quote]

So much evidence out there we don't know about or evidence that conflicts with stories. Looks like we are going to have to wait this one out.

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[quote=saden1;906188]Can you say with certainty Zimmerman's didnt follow him repeatedly? We have Trayvon say he lost him, you have Zimmerman say he lost sight of him. Couple that with Zimmerman following him, saying "they always get away" and the fact that Trayvon ended up in a body bag you can make the case for repeated stalking.[/quote]

Where do we have Trayvon saying anything. I have not heard the tape of him talking.

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From the girlfriend's statement:

[quote]“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”[/quote]

[url=http://bazaardaily.com/2012/03/23/trayvon-martins-girlfriends-statement-confirms-he-was-murdered-at-gunpoint/]Trayvon Martin’s girlfriends statement confirms he was murdered at gunpoint « Bazaar Daily News[/url]

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My point was we have to take his GF word that he said that and its not Travons words. The facts here are getting twisted with half truths etc...

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[quote=firstdown;906302]My point was we have to take his GF word that he said that and its not Travons words. The facts here are getting twisted with half truths etc...[/quote]

Too many agendas and too few facts, coupled with people race-baiting and a piss-poor response from PD.

I'm going to give it another month to see what else shakes loose before I post again.

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[quote=RedskinRat;906312]Too many agendas and too few facts, coupled with people race-baiting and a piss-poor response from PD.

[B]I'm going to give it another month to see what else shakes loose before I post again[/B].[/quote]

I'll second that.

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Speaking of agendas, half-truths, etc.

[quote]Here's what NBC News doctored tape had Zimmerman saying:

"This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

But here's what was really said without the edit:

Zimmerman: "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."

911 operator: "Okay. And this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?"

Zimmerman: "He looks black."[/quote]

[url=http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-sarah-palin-trayvon-martin-911-tape-katie-couric-nbc-news-20120402,0,7231989.story]Sarah Palin, doctored Trayvon Martin tape: Shame on NBC News - baltimoresun.com[/url]

Regardless of whether or not it changes anyone's perception, why edit it in the first place. The reporting on this matter has been abysmal. <sigh>

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[quote=JoeRedskin;906372]Speaking of agendas, half-truths, etc.



[url=http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-sarah-palin-trayvon-martin-911-tape-katie-couric-nbc-news-20120402,0,7231989.story]Sarah Palin, doctored Trayvon Martin tape: Shame on NBC News - baltimoresun.com[/url]

Regardless of whether or not it changes anyone's perception, why edit it in the first place. The reporting on this matter has been abysmal. <sigh>[/quote]

oh wow that is really pathetic by NBC.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;906372]Speaking of agendas, half-truths, etc.



[url=http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-sarah-palin-trayvon-martin-911-tape-katie-couric-nbc-news-20120402,0,7231989.story]Sarah Palin, doctored Trayvon Martin tape: Shame on NBC News - baltimoresun.com[/url]

Regardless of whether or not it changes anyone's perception, why edit it in the first place. The reporting on this matter has been abysmal. <sigh>[/quote]

There should be some sort of FCC regulations that prevent agencies from doing this. Doctoring/editing footage to incite racial issues is about the scummiest thing you could do. You understand now why I have such a disdain for corporate media?

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I thought that had been post prior to now what they did. CBS did the same thing to Bush using fake documents about his service.
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60ii/main641984.shtml]New Questions On Bush Guard Duty - CBS News[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;906531]I thought that had been post prior to now what they did. CBS did the same thing to Bush using fake documents about his service.
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60ii/main641984.shtml]New Questions On Bush Guard Duty - CBS News[/url][/quote]

see I was good with that cause W was such a douche

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[quote=Chico23231;906556]see I was good with that cause W was such a douche[/quote]


Our douche changed color.

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[IMG]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/536768_419830204713105_205344452828349_1513759_843470123_n.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;907441][IMG]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/536768_419830204713105_205344452828349_1513759_843470123_n.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I lol'd.

Hard to know if this goes here or in the pics for sharing thread. But this works for me.

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[url=http://gma.yahoo.com/police-car-shot-trayvon-martins-neighborhood-184110824--abc-news-topstories.html]Police Car Shot Up in Trayvon Martin's Neighborhood - Yahoo![/url]

I absolutely detest the public media and how they've covered this case. They continue to make Trayvon's appearance as it was years ago, and not the Trayvon that was current. It's obvious to what they are doing and it's a shame a man could be convicted just off of public cries due to the influence they get from the media.

If the DA has enough evidence to counter Zimmerman's story, then by all means they need to proceed with a trial and arrest. From the sounds of it, this seems like a DA bending to public cries much like the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. We all saw how that turned out.

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[quote=NC_Skins;907820][URL="http://gma.yahoo.com/police-car-shot-trayvon-martins-neighborhood-184110824--abc-news-topstories.html"]Police Car Shot Up in Trayvon Martin's Neighborhood - Yahoo![/URL]

I absolutely detest the public media and how they've covered this case. They continue to make Trayvon's appearance as it was years ago, and not the Trayvon that was current. It's obvious to what they are doing and it's a shame a man could be convicted just off of public cries due to the influence they get from the media.

If the DA has enough evidence to counter Zimmerman's story, then by all means they need to proceed with a trial and arrest. From the sounds of it, this seems like a DA bending to public cries much like the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. We all saw how that turned out.[/quote]

Does it really matter how he looked? Is the life of someone who dresses like a hood rat worth more than someone who dresses like a tender naive shelter child?

A life lost is a life lost.

I'm far more concerned about what actually happened than how this kid looked at the time of death.

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Ultimately it doesn't matter how anyone "looked". At the same time, if you can't see the media spin and how they came out full bore on the race issue in this matter, I think you're denying some other realities. The photos chosen were clearly done with the intent of maximizing sympathy for Martin and for demonizing Zimmerman.

From the initial characterization of Zimmerman as white (modified to White Hispanic - a term I have never seen before and doubt I will ever see again), the choice of photographs, the editing of the 911 tape, it is clear the media had an agenda. It was an agenda that served no one well - but it sure sold a lot of papers and air time.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;907920]Ultimately it doesn't matter how anyone "looked". At the same time, if you can't see the media spin and how they came out full bore on the race issue in this matter, I think you're denying some other realities. The photos chosen were clearly done with the intent of maximizing sympathy for Martin and for demonizing Zimmerman.

From the initial characterization of Zimmerman as white (modified to White Hispanic - a term I have never seen before and doubt I will ever see again), the choice of photographs, the editing of the 911 tape, it is clear the media had an agenda. It was an agenda that served no one well - but it sure sold a lot of papers and air time.[/quote]

Seems like the story has pretty much fizzled except in Sanford where it sounds like they're one crime away from a race riot.

Feels almost like Troy Davis v.2.0

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[quote=DynamiteRave;907914]Does it really matter how he looked? Is the life of someone who dresses like a hood rat worth more than someone who dresses like a tender naive shelter child?

A life lost is a life lost.

I'm far more concerned about what actually happened than how this kid looked at the time of death.[/quote]

I think you misinterpreted what I said. I'm saying the media is painting this image of

[IMG]http://cocktailsandcognac.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/tyson-beckford.jpg[/IMG]

when in reality it was most likely closer to this....



[IMG]http://www.imsogangsta.org/gangsta/1101/thug-life-shoot-my-nads-off-thug-gun-pants-finger-rerun-gangsta-1294361159.jpg[/IMG]


See, had that first guy walked through the same neighborhood, I can assure you Zimmerman doesn't profile him nor would he follow him. The second guy definitely would send flags up to any neighborhood where the tenants aren't dressed as such. They are wanting to paint this image of a kid who had no reason to be profiled (which is probably not the true) and was merely shot because he was black.

That isn't the case. The truth of it is Trayvon was profiled because of his attire, and was shot because the guy following him was a overzealous asshole that took the law into his own hands even though he was told to back off.

Just report the news and stop with the agendas. Especially ones that could send a community into a race riot.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-attorney-hold-press-conference-4-30pm-203437097.html]George Zimmerman attorneys quit as counsel | The Lookout - Yahoo! News[/url]


Some good points made here.


[quote]Going after the press directly, Uhrig said, "If you don't believe this has been crouched in racial terms, you're not watching the same media, the same TV, reading the same blogs." In an unfortunate choice of words, Uhrig added, "I'm taking a shot at the press when I say this.[/quote]


[quote]"People are saying, how can you shoot an unarmed man? You know what, an unarmed man can kill you if he keeps doing what he's doing," Uhrig said. "I don't care what one investigator thought. They're often wrong."[/quote]

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[quote=NC_Skins;907978]I think you misinterpreted what I said. I'm saying the media is painting this image of

[IMG]http://cocktailsandcognac.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/tyson-beckford.jpg[/IMG]

when in reality it was most likely closer to this....



[IMG]http://www.imsogangsta.org/gangsta/1101/thug-life-shoot-my-nads-off-thug-gun-pants-finger-rerun-gangsta-1294361159.jpg[/IMG]


See, had that first guy walked through the same neighborhood, I can assure you Zimmerman doesn't profile him nor would he follow him. The second guy definitely would send flags up to any neighborhood where the tenants aren't dressed as such. They are wanting to paint this image of a kid who had no reason to be profiled (which is probably not the true) and was merely shot because he was black.

That isn't the case. The truth of it is Trayvon was profiled because of his attire, and was shot because the guy following him was a overzealous asshole that took the law into his own hands even though he was told to back off.

Just report the news and stop with the agendas. Especially ones that could send a community into a race riot.[/quote]

Gotcha.

Unrelated but I was a kid but I was totally crushed when Tupac died. And I would be if Tyson died because that is 1 sexy ass dude. lol mourning all around.

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[quote=NC_Skins;907820][url=http://gma.yahoo.com/police-car-shot-trayvon-martins-neighborhood-184110824--abc-news-topstories.html]Police Car Shot Up in Trayvon Martin's Neighborhood - Yahoo![/url]

I absolutely detest the public media and how they've covered this case. They continue to make Trayvon's appearance as it was years ago, and not the Trayvon that was current. It's obvious to what they are doing and it's a shame a man could be convicted just off of public cries due to the influence they get from the media.

If the DA has enough evidence to counter Zimmerman's story, then by all means they need to proceed with a trial and arrest. From the sounds of it, this seems like a DA bending to public cries much like the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. We all saw how that turned out.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. It is sad a person died, either way. But this is what I have been saying all along. They show a picture of a 12 year old kid to drub up sympathy and tug at your heartstrings. If they would have showed the real Trayvon as he looked today and as many people have already seen, i doubt there would be much sympathy, if any...

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[url=http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/11/prosecutor-to-announce-decision-on-zimmerman/?hpt=hp_t1]Source: Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin case – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

nice

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Are they arresting him because they have evidence, or they just arresting him to appease the public and pushing for a guilty verdict regardless of evidence? Not sure I understand how there wasn't evidence prior, but not magically there is?

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^^ Again, I think a lot of this is driven by the Self-Defense immunity law (not the Stand Your Ground law). Perhaps they have gathered more evidence that is, as of yet, unknown to the public.

I want to know where this guy is going to get a jury of people who have not already reached a conclusion in the matter.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;908252]^^ Again, I think a lot of this is driven by the Self-Defense immunity law (not the Stand Your Ground law). Perhaps they have gathered more evidence that is, as of yet, unknown to the public.

I want to know where this guy is going to get a jury of people who have not already reached a conclusion in the matter.[/quote]

Well if they could do it for OJ and Casey Anthony....

*coughs*

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I wounder what will happen if he is aquitted but for now he has been arrested.

[url=http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/11/11144255-george-zimmerman-in-custody-faces-second-degree-murder-charge-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite]U.S. News - George Zimmerman in custody, faces second-degree murder charge in Trayvon Martin case[/url]

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2nd degree murder charge?


Grab the pitch forks and torches boys!!

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I think if there is not enough evidence to convict him but he is found guilty I might riot in my neighborhood. I could burn down some kids fort, knock over a few bikes and raid a lemmonaid stand. If I feel real crazy I may even stomp on a neighbors garden.

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[quote=NC_Skins;908250]Are they arresting him because they have evidence, or they just arresting him to appease the public and pushing for a guilty verdict regardless of evidence? Not sure I understand how there wasn't evidence prior, but not magically there is?[/quote]

I think it's the latter in this case. I honestly doubt we see a conviction if there's no new evidence.

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I think an arrest is warranted and just. Now we will be able to hear all the evidence. I just hope now he gets a fair trial.

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[quote=Chico23231;908301]I think an arrest is warranted and just. Now we will be able to hear all the evidence. I just hope now he gets a fair trial.[/quote]

Feel like even if he doesn't get convicted in federal court, they'll probably take him to civil court for wrongful death. Don't see how he can't get convicted there.

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Even in a wrongful death case, he still has the affirmative defense of self-defense. AND, if that defense is upheld in the criminal case, I am pretty sure it would be an effective bar to the civil claim under the doctrine of [I]res judicata[/I].

Also, this is a State charge. The Feds could charge him separately on a civil rights charge.

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[url=http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/InmateInfo.aspx?bkgnbr=201200004452]Seminole County - John E. Polk Correctional Facility[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;908311]Also, this is a State charge. The Feds could charge him separately on a civil rights charge.[/quote]


What federal civil charge might that warrant?

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[oops - double post]

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[quote]FBI agents on Monday were questioning potential witnesses in the Trayvon Martin shooting, confirming to NBC News that the agency had begun a "parallel investigation" that focuses on whether the teen's civil rights were violated.

Agents are seeking information on George Zimmerman's background and whether he was racially motivated when he pursued Martin after calling a 911 police dispatcher about his presence in the community, an FBI official told NBC.[/quote]

[url=http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/02/10983757-fbi-questions-people-in-trayvon-martin-case-begins-parallel-investigation]U.S. News - FBI questions people in Trayvon Martin case, begins 'parallel investigation'[/url]