[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944360]In conjunction with my last post, a breakdown of score range shows that defenses seem to be losing the general battle:

Shutouts: 0
2 - 9 pts allowed: 4 teams
10-19 pts "" : 5 teams
20-29 pts " " : 12 teams (note: Baltimore has 28, but game not over yet)
30-39 pts " " : 7 teams
40-49 pts " " : 2 teams[/QUOTE]

Again its all relative. Yes defenses are giving up more points across the board but we are giving up the most.

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Good for you Kyle

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-running-down-the-tunnel-after-the-officials/2012/09/23/b6480512-05f6-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan running down the tunnel after the officials - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;944362]Exactly. This week was bizzare but at the end of the year we will be dead last in probably every defensive category except maybe run d ( mainly because why would teams run on us when its so easy to pass). So it doesnt matter if its a scoring league. If the top defenses are giving up 20 a game this year and were giving up forty we will lose. Just like if they are giving up 10 and us 20. Its all relative.[/quote]

true, but I can throw out the Patriots D ranking, or GB's D ranking last year to say that other top offenses have the struggled when teams are forced into shootout type games.

Remember our D has provided 1 TD every game, and some key stops that our offense then didn't take advantage of.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944364]I was not trying to say that we have a top defense, only that the nature of the game is shifting the definition of what a defense needs to do.[/QUOTE]

Yeah i hear you and i agree. Just that as a redskin fan i dont see the silver lining here. Its like ok almost every d is giving up big points but were giving up bigger points. So we lose 45 35 instead of 35 25 in a normal year......

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;944368]Good for you Kyle

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-running-down-the-tunnel-after-the-officials/2012/09/23/b6480512-05f6-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan running down the tunnel after the officials - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/QUOTE]

So we were flagged for having to many players on the field but Cin wasn't?

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[quote=warriorzpath;944356]Look on the bright side. If RGIII wasn't on the redskins, the score would've been something like 45-7.

Whatever anyone says- these losses can mainly be blamed on Haslett. I don't care what anyone says about how its the players' fault or its the shanahans (which btw is the most ludricious thing).[/quote]

Thought it was interesting that Keim said Shanahan is the one that likes cover 0 so much.

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All I know is that it is sad when you put over 30 points and still lose. It does not say a whole heck of a lot about the defense..... Ultimately most of the blame falls on the coach. I hope we get a better defensive coach next year. I've never been of fan of Haslett.... I don't think Morris would be any better/worse. I've never been a fan of the 3-4 defense but as long as we are moving that way we need to continue with it for couple of years..... and get better players, especially the secondary.........

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944369]true, but I can throw out the Patriots D ranking, or GB's D ranking last year to say that other top offenses have the struggled when teams are forced into shootout type games.

Remember our D has provided 1 TD every game, and some key stops that our offense then didn't take advantage of.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I have been thinking ALOT this year that if the saints, colts, packers, pats can all win with great offenses and bad defense why cant we? All those teams had games (not moments) but games where their d stepped up. I dont see us having one of those. At all. I think we might score more points than anybody this year if rg3 stays healthy. We will give up more too though. There has to be alittle more balance on the d for this season to be anything mire than 4 wins.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;944372]So we were flagged for having to many players on the field but Cin wasn't?[/QUOTE]

Basically yes but at that point there was kind of no hope yet anyway. Basically.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;944372]So we were flagged for having to many players on the field but Cin wasn't?[/quote]

No.. for KS berating the refs when they said game was over due to 10 sec runoff... clock wasn't running during penalty so no runoff... so dumb

Not happy about the refs on Wilson's fumble recovery either. Touching the ground isn't down in the NFL ya jerks!

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look to the patriot's ravens game. Baltimore just drove down the field with 2min against the Pats. and are kicking the winning fg

899 yds total offense. That's where the NFL is headed.

[QUOTE=tryfuhl;944377]No.. for KS berating the refs when they said game was over due to 10 sec runoff... clock wasn't running during penalty so no runoff... so dumb

Not happy about the refs on Wilson's fumble recovery either. Touching the ground isn't down in the NFL ya jerks![/QUOTE]

Yes. Sorry i didnt read your post clearly. Ks got flagged for being on the field though i thought? Not to many players technically.

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If we held teams to 25 points we would be 3-0 if we held them to 30 we would be 2-1. Just saying we don't need an elite d but one that does not leak quite so bad. If we didn't have RG III we would be getting destroyed.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944380]look to the patriot's ravens game. Baltimore just drove down the field with 2min against the Pats. and are kicking the winning fg

899 yds total offense. That's where the NFL is headed.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Problem is someone still has to be the worst defense - whether they are all bad or all good. And rite now were making a strong case for it. At the end of the day its a game of points. Lol. Maybe rg3 and the offense will really step it up more when garcon comes back and we can win some of these shootouts. Is there any word on trent williams?

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[quote=punch it in;944381]Yes. Sorry i didnt read your post clearly. Ks got flagged for being on the field though i thought? Not to many players technically.[/quote]

I speculate it is what he said to the ref while in the field, not for being on it, since the refs said game over. Ref caught feelings when he realized KS was right and flagged him. That's why KS said he had no balls and was a p*ssy I'm guessing

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;944380]look to the patriot's ravens game. Baltimore just drove down the field with 2min against the Pats. and are kicking the winning fg

899 yds total offense. That's where the NFL is headed.[/quote]

I hear those guys Brady and Flacco are pretty good. Also, they earned those plays. There were no touchdowns because of mental mistakes or freebies given to them. It's Welker, not Amendola.

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besides the no call on the pass interference, i think the refs were okay today.

our defense though, man... since jim's taken over, it's been bad. can we get blache or grilliams and our 4-3 back? please?

offense looked like it had an off day, but it still put up a ton of points. we're #1 in scoring, #2 in rushing, #5 overall (though baltimore wasn't included, they won't bump us off #1 in scoring). when's the last time that happened?

i can't believe this offense hasn't even hit stride yet. if the first half was like the second, maybe we'd have a W despite the D.

I also think the sample size is getting big enough to say that RG3 really knows what he's doing. It's weird not having to wish your team had a good QB, and it's weird that they can stink it up so royally for an entire half, have the D leave guys wide open all day, and still have a chance to pull it out.

so i'm actually not super mad about the loss, but i'm sorry trent got hurt, and i'm not sure how much better the D can get with it's current roster (which should still be better than what we're seeing on the field).

[QUOTE=That Guy;944394]besides the no call on the pass interference, i think the refs were okay today.

our defense though, man... since jim's taken over, it's been bad. can we get blache or grilliams and our 4-3 back? please?

offense looked like it had an off day, but it still put up a ton of points. we're #1 in scoring, #2 in rushing, #5 overall (though baltimore wasn't included, they won't bump us off #1 in scoring). when's the last time that happened?

i can't believe this offense hasn't even hit stride yet. if the first half was like the second, maybe we'd have a W despite the D.

I also think the sample size is getting big enough to say that RG3 really knows what he's doing. It's weird not having to wish your team had a good QB, and it's weird that they can stink it up so royally for an entire half, have the D leave guys wide open all day, and still have a chance to pull it out.

so i'm actually not super mad about the loss, but i'm sorry trent got hurt, and i'm not sure how much better the D can get with it's current roster (which should still be better than what we're seeing on the field).[/QUOTE]

Totally agree with this. Trents health is major. So is garcon. If were gonna win these shootouts we need them both. Even though were 1-2 i will sleep better than normal because after three weeks we are number one in points scored. Its so weird to say that.

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[quote=That Guy;944394]besides the no call on the pass interference, i think the refs were okay today.

our defense though, man... since jim's taken over, it's been bad. can we get blache or grilliams and our 4-3 back? please?

offense looked like it had an off day, but it still put up a ton of points. we're #1 in scoring, #2 in rushing, #5 overall (though baltimore wasn't included, they won't bump us off #1 in scoring). when's the last time that happened?

i can't believe this offense hasn't even hit stride yet. if the first half was like the second, maybe we'd have a W despite the D.

I also think the sample size is getting big enough to say that RG3 really knows what he's doing. It's weird not having to wish your team had a good QB, and it's weird that they can stink it up so royally for an entire half, have the D leave guys wide open all day, and still have a chance to pull it out.

so i'm actually not super mad about the loss, but i'm sorry trent got hurt, and i'm not sure how much better the D can get with it's current roster (which should still be better than what we're seeing on the field).[/quote]

The refs were okay like being shot in the head is okay. :laughing-

[QUOTE=aircoryell;944397]The refs were okay like being shot in the head is okay. :laughing-[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Well maybe being shot in the ass. Lol. Yes agreed though when i said i totally agree with that post i meant everything except the refs being ok.

[QUOTE=tryfuhl;944391]I speculate it is what he said to the ref while in the field, not for being on it, since the refs said game over. Ref caught feelings when he realized KS was right and flagged him. That's why KS said he had no balls and was a p*ssy I'm guessing[/QUOTE]

Yeah but he called them those things off the field for penalizing him and not the bengals. If he wasnt on the field no penalty. Anyway i think the game was over when that went down barring a small miracle.

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[quote=That Guy;944394]
our defense though, man... since jim's taken over, it's been bad. can we get blache or grilliams and our 4-3 back? please?
[/quote]

Not only can I see them doing it, but I can also see a lot of the players like Rak and Fletcher talking about how great it will be going back to the 4-3 and how the 3-4 was okay but at the same time it wasn't right for them. Still I wonder what a 4-3 alignment would look like. Funny to think that Rak was an OLB in the 4-3 as well.

SAM - Orakpo
MLB - Fletcher
WLB - Riley

RDE - Kerrigan
DT - Cofield
DT - Bowen
LDE - Carriker

It's obvious though if they go back now that they don't have the linebackers to make the switch, however they're very deep up front with DT's and DE's.

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When there's so many things that seem to be wrong with the defense, who do you think is responsible? Haslett gets the blame for all of this because he's responsible for fixing the defensive mess. Who else has the power and experience to change things?

It's not like the defense is completely devoid of talent like some fans would like to believe- Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowen, Cofield, Fletcher. Not to mention the potential that the younger defensive players have and have even shown. Don't tell me that a good defensive coordinator couldn't get way more out of this group than Haslett.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;944403]Not only can I see them doing it, but I can also see a lot of the players like Rak and Fletcher talking about how great it will be going back to the 4-3 and how the 3-4 was okay but at the same time it wasn't right for them. Still I wonder what a 4-3 alignment would look like. Funny to think that Rak was an OLB in the 4-3 as well.

SAM - Orakpo
MLB - Fletcher
WLB - Riley

RDE - Kerrigan
DT - Cofield
DT - Bowen
LDE - Carriker

It's obvious though if they go back now that they don't have the linebackers to make the switch, however they're very deep up front with DT's and DE's.[/quote]

I would find another SAM and put Orakpo as a DE. Orakpo has no coverage skills to be a LB.

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[quote=warriorzpath;944406]When there's so many things that seem to be wrong with the defense, who do you think is responsible? Haslett gets the blame for all of this because he's responsible for fixing the defensive mess. Who else has the power and experience to change things?

It's not like the defense is completely devoid of talent like some fans would like to believe- Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowen, Cofield, Fletcher. Not to mention the potential that the younger defensive players have and have even shown. Don't tell me that a good defensive coordinator couldn't get way more out of this group than Haslett.[/quote]

I agree with you on that. We have talent over there.

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;944406]When there's so many things that seem to be wrong with the defense, who do you think is responsible? Haslett gets the blame for all of this because he's responsible for fixing the defensive mess. Who else has the power and experience to change things?

It's not like the defense is completely devoid of talent like some fans would like to believe- Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowen, Cofield, Fletcher. Not to mention the potential that the younger defensive players have and have even shown. Don't tell me that a good defensive coordinator couldn't get way more out of this group than Haslett.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely they could. Haslettusdownagain must go. I dont know how the hell the guy keeps getting jobs. We are not the least talented group in the league we just play like it. Schemes are all wrong for every situation. This is his last year here and hopefully in the nfl period. Well scratch that maybe dallas will hire him for something.

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DE Rak
DT Cofield
DT Bowen
DE Kerrigan
OLB Riley
MLB Fletcher
OLB Draft pick or FA signing

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;944410]DE Rak
DT Cofield
DT Bowen
DE Kerrigan
OLB Riley
MLB Fletcher
OLB Draft pick or FA signing[/QUOTE]

That is a beautiful site. Imagine if we could have that. Wait a minute.....

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;944386]If we held teams to 25 points we would be 3-0 if we held them to 30 we would be 2-1. Just saying we don't need an elite d but one that does not leak quite so bad. If we didn't have RG III we would be getting destroyed.[/quote]

are your numbers supposing that the d didn't contribute 2 TD's And a first down at the 1?

Our O has scored 33, 21, and 24. So holding a team to 25, would leave us at 1 -2 Right?

any way, our defense needs to not give up long bombs like lollipops. so far it's been like taking candy from a baby, a lot of kicking and whining, but not really stopping anyone.

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[quote=warriorzpath;944406]When there's so many things that seem to be wrong with the defense, who do you think is responsible? Haslett gets the blame for all of this because he's responsible for fixing the defensive mess. Who else has the power and experience to change things?

It's not like the defense of talent like some fans would like to believe- Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowen, Cofield, Fletcher. Not to mention the potential that the younger defensive players have and have even shown. Don't tell me that a good defensive coordinator couldn't get way more out of this group than Haslett.[/quote]

They probably would. We've had top 10 defenses in all but two years from 2002-2009. (2003 and 2006 being the only times we fell outside the top 10). We've already matched it since Haslet came and are on pace to fall outside the top 10 for the third straight year.

The defensive front is better then ever even with the injuries. I know the secondary sucks but this is a league where dominant Super Bowl winning defenses have masked weak secondaries multiple times with strong front 7's. Then again Morris is in charge of the secondary and the secondary has been the achilies heal of the defense so not sure if he'll be much better.

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[quote=Ruhskins;944407]I would find another SAM and put Orakpo as a DE. Orakpo has no coverage skills to be a LB.[/quote]

I'm just trying to get the best 7 players on the field. Leaving a healthy Cariker on the sidelines in favor of someone like Keenan Robinson when Rak had success at OLB is a mistake if you ask me. Still the irony of it all is it confirms that we are now most definitely a 3-4 team.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;944410]DE Rak
DT Cofield
DT Bowen
DE Kerrigan
OLB Riley
MLB Fletcher
OLB Draft pick or FA signing[/quote]

And give Mike Zimmer a ton of money to be our d-coord.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;944416]And give Mike Zimmer a ton of money to be our d-coord.[/QUOTE]

Draft all secondary and oline and spend every remaining penny in free agency on that other linebacker and oline n secondary again. Oh and shitcan danny smith for good measure.

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[quote=Ruhskins;944368]Good for you Kyle

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-running-down-the-tunnel-after-the-officials/2012/09/23/b6480512-05f6-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan running down the tunnel after the officials - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I think that is classless.
All team have to deal with poor officiating not just the Redskins.
The refs suck, he has to adjust and deal with it.
Daniel Snyder needs to chase down Kyle and ask him why the Redskins are 11-40 on third downs. only Tampa has a worse 3rd down conversion ratio.
I don't understand how they can average 5 yards per carry and be so bad on third downs.

[QUOTE=jamf;944418]I think that is classless.
All team have to deal with poor officiating not just the Redskins.
The refs suck, he has to adjust and deal with it.
Daniel Snyder needs to chase down Kyle and ask him why the Redskins are 11-40 on third downs. only Tampa has a worse 3rd down conversion ratio.
I don't understand how they can average 5 yards per carry and be so bad on third downs.[/QUOTE]

Good point. I think everyone is just so fed up with the refs ( not just because of the redskins) that its nice to hear that anyone is letting them have it. But i agree - everyone is harping on the defense - and for good reason. But truth be told our offense could be even better.

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[quote=jamf;944418]I think that is classless.
All team have to deal with poor officiating not just the Redskins.
The refs suck, he has to adjust and deal with it.
Daniel Snyder needs to chase down Kyle and ask him why the Redskins are 11-40 on third downs. only Tampa has a worse 3rd down conversion ratio.
I don't understand how they can average 5 yards per carry and be so bad on third downs.[/quote]

Someone needs to chase down Dan Snyder and ask him to push for this ref lockout to end. Kyle will get fined for this I am sure, but he needs to tell his dad to talk to their boss about the whole ref situation.

At least he didn't pull a Belicheat and take a swipe at the ref.

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One thing that Haslett should know if he doesn't already - he needs to be up at least 20 hours a day this week to fix these problems. Instead of fixing anything and improving from game to game, it's actually gotten worse. If this trend continues, I can reasonably predict that Haslett will be fired within 2 games. At this point, the redskins defense is an embarrassment.

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[quote=warriorzpath;944406]When there's so many things that seem to be wrong with the defense, who do you think is responsible? Haslett gets the blame for all of this because he's responsible for fixing the defensive mess. Who else has the power and experience to change things?

It's not like the defense is completely devoid of talent like some fans would like to believe- Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowen, Cofield, Fletcher. Not to mention the potential that the younger defensive players have and have even shown. Don't tell me that a good defensive coordinator couldn't get way more out of this group than Haslett.[/quote]

I agree with you on that. We have talent over there.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;944410]
DE Rak
DT Cofield
DT Bowen
DE Kerrigan
OLB Riley
MLB Fletcher
OLB Draft pick or FA signing[/quote]

Overrated.

How many of these guys start for another NFC east team outside of Fletcher?
Our two "Young Studs" aren't as good as Osi-JPP, Cole-Babin and Ware-Spencer.

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[quote=jamf;944423]Overrated.

How many of these guys start for another NFC east team outside of Fletcher?
Our two "Young Studs" aren't as good as Osi-JPP, Cole-Babin and Ware-Spencer.[/quote]

Let's see - hmmm - I know at least 2 of them would- because Bowen and Cofield actually did before they came to the Redskins.

And are you saying that it's the players that are mostly at fault?