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Worrying about RGIII getting hurt is a waste of time. Like everyone in the NFL he will have his injuries. That is why you develop guys like cousins. Brady, Manning, etc...have all had their lost seasons sadly RGIII will also; just a inherent risk of the game.

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The solution to RGIII getting hit is to have a capable backup who can execute the same offense. Or a close approximation. We're a little short there right now.

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Can anyone find and or post the pick of JPP on the sideline with his helmet sitting on his head where he just looks like he has no clue on what to do to stop Griff. It was at the end of the game but I can't find an image.

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[quote=FRPLG;971271]The solution to RGIII getting hit is to have a capable backup who can execute the same offense. Or a close approximation. We're a little short there right now.[/quote]

Thats like saying the solution to getting in a car accident is to make sure you have a good second car. Thats a horrible plan. The real solution is to drive safely so that you can avoid getting into an accident to begin with.

The solution to RGIII is to do everything you reasonably can to prevent him from taking too many unnecessary big hits. You dont change your offense. You dont tell him not to run. You PROTECT him buy upgrading the offensive line. Otherwise, if RGIII gets hurt and a backup comes in, the backup will just get hit just as much, if not more, than RGIII. Then what do you do when that guy goes down? Fix the problem and you dont need 10 backup QBs who are "close approximations" of RGIII.

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RG3 can help himself too by getting the ball out quicker. That will come with more experience, and part of it is the guy is fearless and isn't afraid to take a hit.

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[quote=FRPLG;971271]The solution to RGIII getting hit is to have a capable backup who can execute the same offense. Or a close approximation. We're a little short there right now.[/quote]

Heath Evan's suggested we get Mike Vick next offseason..Not Happening


anyway heres a great RG3 highlight video.

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I mean any idiot can call this offense, but still...fun to look at pictures

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-did-RG3-Redskins-game-plan-Giants-Cover-2.html]How did RG3, Redskins game plan Giants' Cover 2? | National Football Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;971298]I mean any idiot can call this offense, but still...fun to look at pictures

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-did-RG3-Redskins-game-plan-Giants-Cover-2.html]How did RG3, Redskins game plan Giants' Cover 2? | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

Its like a damn baby design those plays. I think Come'on Man on ESPN should just be renamed Come'on Kyle with Jaws taking us through the horrible job he is doing.


oH we blew the Giants defense mind for the second time this year? nevermind....

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[quote=SmootSmack;971298]I mean any idiot can call this offense, but still...fun to look at pictures

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-did-RG3-Redskins-game-plan-Giants-Cover-2.html]How did RG3, Redskins game plan Giants' Cover 2? | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

You're being sarcastic right? lol. Please say so..

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[quote=htownskinfan;971166]What about at the beginning of game,hell most of the game when we were on offense? Especially first half,when we were on offense,the crowd was especially silent.I commented on it in gameday thread,I dont remember it being that quiet in other games,seemed like there was no excitement in the stands whatsoever.Thats how it came across to me on tv.Of course crowd cheered when we made big plays and stuff.Mainly what im talking about is when team was in huddle {on off} and then go to line,crowd seemed unusually quiet to me,maybe it was just me?[/quote]

Well, they want it quiet when we're on offense, yes?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;971187]This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11![/quote]

That's the thing, I don't really see RG3's style as the problem i.e. most of the big hits are coming when he drops back into the pocket. Like Matty and others have said he can help himself by getting rid of the ball quicker, but then I think we probably see fewer completions and more turnovers. I think it really comes down to protection, that's what I'm saying.

Take Big Ben for example. He's had lousy protection through most of his career and everyone pointed to his toughness (and it doesn't hurt that he's a huge dude), but now the injuries are lasting longer and he's not playing at the same level. Does this make sense?

The think the concern for RG3, which is pretty much unanimous outside this board btw, is legit.

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[quote=The Goat;971304]That's the thing, I don't really see RG3's style as the problem i.e. most of the big hits are coming when he drops back into the pocket. Like Matty and others have said he can help himself by getting rid of the ball quicker, but then I think we probably see fewer completions and more turnovers. I think it really comes down to protection, that's what I'm saying.

Take Big Ben for example. He's had lousy protection through most of his career and everyone pointed to his toughness (and it doesn't hurt that he's a huge dude), but now the injuries are lasting longer and he's not playing at the same level. Does this make sense?

The think the concern for RG3, which is pretty much unanimous outside this board btw, is legit.[/quote]

Every QB gets hit.. RG3 holds the ball and looks to run when the play breaks down or doesn't go his way. It's been going on all year. It's going to happen next year, and many more after that..

Talking about what "might happen" is like talking about the end of the world on Jan. 1st.

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Dec 21st

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[quote=SmootSmack;971298]I mean any idiot can call this offense, but still...fun to look at pictures

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-did-RG3-Redskins-game-plan-Giants-Cover-2.html]How did RG3, Redskins game plan Giants' Cover 2? | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

Beautiful stuff.

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With all the hype that RG3 is getting, and it's well deserved, I'm wondering if this type of offense we're running can work long term. Steve Young asked him that after the game and RG3 thought so. I'm not sure it is, and as time goes on I hope he can develop into the passer that Young became. I just don't think he can last with the pounding he takes. I will say this, he's a lot tougher than I ever thought he was.

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I mean why not? EVERY TEAM has seen it this year and if you can't figure it out by now, it's going to take a while.

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Over time I think he can develop into a more pure pocket passer just fine. He's just too talented and works too damn hard not to. But while he's young and is such a big time threat with his legs a coach would be a real idiot to not take advantage of his skills.

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[quote=Mattyk;971327]Over time I think he can develop into a more pure pocket passer just fine. He's just too talented and works too damn hard not to. But while he's young and is such a big time threat with his legs a coach would be a real idiot to not take advantage of his skills.[/quote]

Agreed. I would add that he seems to grow into the pocket passer role a bit more with each passing week.

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Not only that, if you look where his accuracy is compared to his peers, it's off the charts. I know people say he throws short passes, but his accuracy on intermediate and long is WAY up there too.

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[quote=Mattyk;971327]Over time I think he can develop into a more pure pocket passer just fine. He's just too talented and works too damn hard not to. But while he's young and is such a big time threat with his legs a coach would be a real idiot to not take advantage of his skills.[/quote]

great post.

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[quote=Mattyk;971327]Over time I think he can develop into a more pure pocket passer just fine. He's just too talented and works too damn hard not to. But while he's young and is such a big time threat with his legs a coach would be a real idiot to not take advantage of his skills.[/quote]

I agree. I also think our O-line has a lot to do with it. We're quick and light and built to move off the line quickly, but we're not built to sit back and protect a pocket passer. I think sitting in the pocket all day would be much more dangerous for RG given our current setup.

That being said, I would like to see us keep adding o-linemen. IMO we can never have enough. I even think we should add to the o-line before the defense. We might have to keep winning games 41-34, but at least we'll be protecting our most valuable asset.

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i think RT is really all we need. i say invest in that and when (BIG IF) the time comes that RG3 starts becoming a pure pocket guy, at least that RT is there.

i think what some people are overlooking with the read/option is how 1) AMAZINg rg3 is with his ball fakes and 2) just how damn accurate he is. we havent seen a QB with his accuracy/speed running this yet. might just be a new era in the nfl.

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I hear this "new era" or "changing the game" stuff and I don't know. I tend to think that we're making an offense that really shouldn't work actually work only because of the singular talents that RGIII has. There are about 5 plays a game that are the plays that keep this offense moving...most of them involve him doing something only he can do. The league has never seen speed at the position like him, even Vick wasn't Olympic hurdler speed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971298]I mean any idiot can call this offense, but still...fun to look at pictures

[URL="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-did-RG3-Redskins-game-plan-Giants-Cover-2.html"]How did RG3, Redskins game plan Giants' Cover 2? | National Football Post[/URL][/quote]
OH Hell Yah!
I saw those same plays on a public bathroom stall...."for a good play call"
........I think

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;971326]I mean why not? EVERY TEAM has seen it this year and if you can't figure it out by now, it's going to take a while.[/quote]

It is as long as he is a threat to run the ball. If we're going to stick with this offense I think we need to go out and get a back up that can run it. Possibly Mike Vick.

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[quote=Mattyk;971327]Over time I think he can develop into a more pure pocket passer just fine. He's just too talented and works too damn hard not to. But while he's young and is such a big time threat with his legs a coach would be a real idiot to not take advantage of his skills.[/quote]\

I agree. He's been a lot better about getting down too.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;971334]Not only that, if you look where his accuracy is compared to his peers, it's off the charts. I know people say he throws short passes, but his accuracy on intermediate and long is WAY up there too.[/quote]

He's been pretty solid on the mid range stuff. Only 4 picks in 325 attempts as a 22 year old rookie. I know we don't run the most aggressive passing attack but still, that's just off the charts.

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[quote=skinsfan69;971383]He's been pretty solid on the mid range stuff. Only 4 picks in 325 attempts as a 22 year old rookie. [B]I know we don't run the most aggressive passing attack[/B] but still, that's just off the charts.[/quote]

You gotta define aggressive, he is averaging like 8.7 yards per attempt and he like leading the league with completions over 20 yards. So we are aggressively getting the ball downfield but not aggressive in just in throwing the ball everydown.

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why run something ultra aggressive when were top 5 (maybe top 7? im lazy)? dont fix what isnt broeken.

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Seem to be a lot of firsts' around here for the last few weeks, might as well keep it going!!

RGIII- First Rookie to do basically everything
First Thanksgiving win over the Cowboys
First Monday night home win since LT broke Joey T's leg.
First significant win over Baltimore, gaining back our rightful place on the Beltway throne.

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[quote=Chico23231;970739]Our Defense has been head shoulders better the second half the season vs the first 6 games. Football outsiders had ranked like 30th or 29th at the beginning of the season and its slowly climbed towards the middle of the pack since. [B]Our pass rush struggles and safety play is still our biggest weakness[/B][/quote]

Absolutely. I meant that we miss playmakers at some positions, but I think coaching was great on the defensive side of the ball too.

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[quote=FRPLG;971353]I hear this "new era" or "changing the game" stuff and I don't know. I tend to think that we're making an offense that really shouldn't work actually work only because of the singular talents that RGIII has. There are about 5 plays a game that are the plays that keep this offense moving...most of them involve him doing something only he can do. The league has never seen speed at the position like him, even Vick wasn't Olympic hurdler speed.[/quote]

This.

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So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "Mike and Kyle are so stubborn. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?

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[quote=SmootSmack;971414]So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "Mike and Kyle are so stubborn. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?[/quote]

They need to be stubborn? LOL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971414]So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "Mike and Kyle are so stubborn. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?[/quote]

I wonder what McNabb thinks now?

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[quote=Mattyk;971421]I wonder what McNabb thinks now?[/quote]

"Wow ... maybe I [I]did[/I] suck."

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[quote=SmootSmack;971414]So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "Mike and Kyle are so stubborn. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?[/quote]


RGIII designed the offense. DUH!!! Who else do you think is calling the plays out there? C'mon man!!

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;971414]So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "Mike and Kyle are so stubborn. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?[/QUOTE]

Err,they finally got it? :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;971414]So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "[B]Mike and Kyle are so stubborn[/B]. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?[/quote]
It's not they're fault, Bruce Allen is.........holding them back.

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[quote=FRPLG;971353]I hear this "new era" or "changing the game" stuff and I don't know. I tend to think that we're making an offense that really shouldn't work actually work only because of the singular talents that RGIII has. There are about 5 plays a game that are the plays that keep this offense moving...most of them involve him doing something only he can do. The league has never seen speed at the position like him, even Vick wasn't Olympic hurdler speed.[/quote]

For a moment, I was "Wait, who are you and what have you done with FRPLG?" Then I saw the hidden sarcasm font. Brilliant. You got me.

"an offense that really shouldn't work" ... "5 plays a game that are the plays that keep this offense moving" --- Priceless!

FRPLG you are one crazy whacked out dude.