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The decision was not my own...
But I will be there for my team!!! In every way I possibly can

Hard to believe! I was fooled but hope Cousins pulls out the win.

[QUOTE=Gtothearry;975681]Hard to believe! I was fooled but hope Cousins pulls out the win.[/QUOTE]

yeah me too.

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Playoff chances and championships don't come along everyday, the Nationals found out the hard way that when you don't give it your all and go for broke you always fall short.

Here we are sitting in a spot to maybe make the playoffs, and possibly with some help win the NFC East, and we bench our star. I know his future is bright but this is a right now sport, and right now the chance is here, who knows if we will be in this spot again.

Now like I said I think Kirk is capable and we can still win but this was the knock on RGIII all along, who says this doesn't happen again next year? Or very year will he ever see a full season and if not what do we do then?

All in on Kirk he holds the season in his hands...love RGIII but we have to decide now if we can really win with this guy for the next 10 years or is he gonna constantly remain hurt and we need back up to win big games.

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Reasons to be optimistic:

1) the Skins were middle of the pack in Offense last year despite a starting QB who turned the ball over 28 times in 13 starts

2) The Skins ran the ball very well down the stretch last year with backups along the O-line and with Helu and Royster carrying the load

3) the Skins leading Rceiver last year was Jabar Gaffney

4) Graham Gano. Nuff said.


Cousins > Grossman
Morris > Helu and Royster
Garcon > Gaffney
Forbath > Gano

Yes, the D was better last year, but the Browns D scares us more than their O. We struggle covering Tight Ends, but the Browns don't have a good one. The Skins should still be able to run the ball and our kicker won't cost us the game. We should be able to win with Cousins.

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I'd really just love to see our defense put together a whole game. These "second half" statistics are impressive, but it's time to do it the whole time. Just want Cousins to go on a roll, Skins to go up a couple of scores, and stop giving me a heart-attack.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;975687]I'd really just love to see our defense put together a whole game. These "second half" statistics are impressive, but it's time to do it the whole time. Just want Cousins to go on a roll, Skins to go up a couple of scores, and stop giving me a heart-attack.[/quote]

The Cowboys, Giants and Ravens are way better than the Browns on Offense. The Browns barely beat a Steeler team who turned the ball over 8 times. If they light up our D, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Period.

I don't like the idea of our line having to pass protect a lot more due to the difference in mobility. Hopefully, he has enough time to get passes off.

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[quote=44Deezel;975689]The Cowboys, Giants and Ravens are way better than the Browns on Offense. The Browns barely beat a Steeler team who turned the ball over 8 times. If they light up our D, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Period.[/quote]

For sure. I also absolutely buy the idea that others have been saying about how we've been burned in the past, so we're understandably cynical. I think it's the writers putting out articles talking about really detailed facts about the Browns defense that makes me more nervous with RG3 out.

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[quote=Gtothearry;975690]I don't like the idea of our line having to pass protect a lot more due to the difference in mobility. Hopefully, he has enough time to get passes off.[/quote]

I agree, perhaps we will see a little more Moss in the slot, and 2 TE sets in order to give Kirk some check down options....unfortunately I feel we have to play more conservative and hope to beat them close...never thought I would say that about the Browns

So he wont "start" but will he play if Cousins wets the bed?

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Hopefully Kyle is smart enough to game-plan around Cousins as well. We all know our drop-back pass blocking isn't perfect, so hopefully a lot of bootlegs and moving pockets. Cousins isn't RG3, but he's also not Flacco back there athletically.

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From what I understand, RG didn't take any snaps with the first team this week. So...

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[quote=punch it in;975693]So he wont "start" but will he play if Cousins wets the bed?[/quote]

I would just rather see him deactivated....if there was any chance he could play then I would want him to start. If he isn't starting then don't even suit him up and (gulp) suit up the Rex Cannon in case he gets hurt.

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I realize this falls into the category of crazy conspiracy theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a head fake by Shanahan. They "leak" the info then make the announcement, could they have a last minute change of heart when the game time decision comes?

[QUOTE=Schneed10;975698]I realize this falls into the category of crazy conspiracy theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a head fake by Shanahan. They "leak" the info then make the announcement, could they have a last minute change of heart when the game time decision comes?[/QUOTE]

Whats it matter Cleveland is done preparing at this point anyway.

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Just as importantly, who do you start? RG3, Cousins, or Roethlisberger?

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I bet we will still run some pistol formation and passing out of it. Other than the option plays nothing will be much different IMO. Griffin passes from the pocket WAY more than people think.

Someone on Twitter mentioned the Browns at least prepared for Griffin 100%.

What does it matter? If the Browns prepared for Griffin they're prepared for Cousins.

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Ok then.

Heard all the reports on RG III all week, but still figured he would end up playing.

Well here we go with the Kirk show. The guy should have success in our offense since it is built for rookie. We will also see how good our line is with a guy less mobile than RG. The browns DLine will be a tough test for this group.

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So everyone says Kirk is starting.
Doesn't necessarily mean that he will be playing the whole game or that there are packages which Griffin will be playing.

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[quote=Schneed10;975698]I realize this falls into the category of crazy conspiracy theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a head fake by Shanahan. They "leak" the info then make the announcement, could they have a last minute change of heart when the game time decision comes?[/quote]

Was wondering the same thing. If that's the case, it would be pretty crazy. I think I'm holding out that false hope, but more just praying that Cousins is ready.

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I'd rather lose last 3 games then RG3 get seriously hurt. That being said, Cousins gives us decent shot against Cleveland and Philly is just awful. Hopefully RG3 would be healthy for Dallas.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;975701]I bet we will still run some pistol formation and passing out of it. Other than the option plays nothing will be much different IMO. Griffin passes from the pocket WAY more than people think.[/quote]

I'm 100% sure we will still run the same exact offense. Cousins is pretty quick. He's no RG3, but he can still run the same offense that RG3 was running. Morris gets his best runs from the pistol, and it would be foolish not to run it.

Of course against a lot of the defenses similar to the Browns we run that "quick pitch" in to the backfield that allows Morris to pick his own seam. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of it tomorrow.

He ran a 4.9 at the combine so he is a threat for 5-6 yards and not 90.

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Rg3 isn't playing because he's not healthy enough to play. I don't know why some of you are assuming hell be active. All signs point to him being inactive. This is why we drafted Kirk cousins.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;975714]Rg3 isn't playing because he's not healthy enough to play. I don't know why some of you are assuming hell be active. All signs point to him being inactive. This is why we drafted Kirk cousins.[/QUOTE]

If this was the playoffs I'd think he'd play

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[quote=skinsfaninok;975716]If this was the playoffs I'd think he'd play[/quote]

Im sorry, unless youre on the teams medical staff and have you evaluated rg3, you can't make a statement like that. Well, obviously you can make whatever statement you want, it's just uninformed

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RG3 said he wants to play, but it wasn't his decision. This is probably just a safety precaution. Pretty sure he'll be playing next week.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;975717]Im sorry, unless youre on the teams medical staff and have you evaluated rg3, you can't make a statement like that. Well, obviously you can make whatever statement you want, it's just uninformed[/quote]


I am both

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[quote=Bucket;975710]I'm 100% sure we will still run the same exact offense. Cousins is pretty quick. He's no RG3, but he can still run the same offense that RG3 was running. Morris gets his best runs from the pistol, and it would be foolish not to run it.[/quote]

The pistol only works so well because of rg3. With Cousins, it is probably no more effective running out of that formation than any other.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;975708]Was wondering the same thing. If that's the case, it would be pretty crazy. I think I'm holding out that false hope, but more just praying that Cousins is ready.[/QUOTE]

But how is making the announcement now on Sat night a head fake by Shanny? I mean Cleveland isnt having any more practice/ preperation at this point.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;975721]I am both[/QUOTE]

Lmao

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[quote=InsanePianist;975723]The pistol only works so well because of rg3. With Cousins, it is probably no more effective running out of that formation than any other.[/quote]

Why is that? Because RG3 can run faster the Cousins? You do realize that there are more threats from that formation..

Most of the big pass plays from that formation come because Morris eats chunks from the defense and the LB's bite up. It'll work just as good with Cousins. Who is still pretty damn quick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;975721]I am both[/quote]

Lol, touché

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[quote=Bucket;975729]Why is that? Because RG3 can run faster the Cousins? You do realize that there are more threats from that formation..

Most of the big pass plays from that formation come because Morris eats chunks from the defense and the LB's bite up. It'll work just as good with Cousins. Who is still pretty damn quick.[/quote]

I figured our pistol scheme was rg3 exclusive. I just don't see any qb on our roster but him being effective in that formation. I expect a lot of screens and short passes, but no pistol.

Maybe you're right, and they've put that in the gameplan. I just think the D will get to kc too fast in the pistol. Cousins might be quick enough to pull it off, but I suspect rg3 is making it look much much easier than it actually is.

Despite their middle of the pack rush D, I don't know if Morris will be gashing them like our other opponents b/c the de's/lb's aren't going to respect kc like they respect rg3... Still hope he has a big day though, we need him. I actually think Cousins will show his leadership and have a big game throwing it, but not because LB's are biting on the zone read.

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espn says madden says kirk wins:

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/easims13/_/gameId/8740668/madden-13-ea-simulations]Video Games - EA Sports Simulations - ESPN[/url]

so there's that...

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[quote=12thMan;975695]From what I understand, RG didn't take any snaps with the first team this week. So...[/quote]

He took a few

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It will be interesting to see if Shanny keeps RG3 active, I think he very well could and should.

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[quote=Chico23231;975751]It will be interesting to see if Shanny keeps RG3 active, I think he very well could and should.[/quote]

Yesterday afternoon I heard likely 3rd string, but this morning I hear inactive