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Not only that but the team would be fined for false disclosure in regards to the injury.


Interesting looking back in regards to Shanahan's faux pas on his press conference after the Baltimore game.


[B]LL ‏@HTTR24_7

@CaptainBudz True.. Shanny did start that presser off on 12/10 saying Rob had a ACL sprain then said LCL later. Reporters had to clarify [/B]

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[quote=Giantone;986043]Well let me ask this ,how many times can you rebuild a knee before .....it affects play?Already been done in College and now seems like it will be done after 1 year in the NFL,I don't know so I'm asking,how much more can his knee take?[/quote]

The option offense has nothing to do with rg3 getting hurt. Only fools like Herm Edwards try to connect the two because they are stupid and lazy.

That said, you do have a good point about repeated knee injuries... They take a toll. Rg3s knee will always be more susceptible to injury and I highly doubt it ever feels "good" again.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;986082]I think what herm was trying to say is do u want Griffin to play 10 yrs or 5 yrs? Meaning he believes griff better stop running if he wants to play long and honestly I kinda agree with him, he's played 1 season and we are already terrified that he has a torn acl[/QUOTE]

but the acl wasn't from the running, if anything its due to his fearlessness. that's what I hope can be brought to the NFL level. He can run, but slide or get out of bounds, no more hurdling or cutting back in at the last second and twisting that knee. Even hobbling he was able to get out of bounds in this game.

I don't want to take away his athletic threat but I want him to protect himself and his team. I am reminded of topgun when Iceman at first doesn't accept Maverick because although Mav is dangerous to the enemy its a reckless danger, once Mav controls it, he is a more dangerous pilot.

Likewise Griffin running right now is a danger to our opponent and to himself, IF Griff learns to protect himself the threat to our opponent will be multiplied tremendously.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986088]Not only that but the team would be fined for false disclosure in regards to the injury.


Interesting looking back in regards to Shanahan's faux pas on his press conference after the Baltimore game.


[B]LL ‏@HTTR24_7

@CaptainBudz True.. Shanny did start that presser off on 12/10 saying Rob had a ACL sprain then said LCL later. Reporters had to clarify [/B][/quote]

If Shanahan knew and falsely disclosed information etc it isn't just a fine we're talking Sean Payton like punishments. I hope this isn't true...you don't need Roger Gooddell having to take extreme measures on this like he did with concussions.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;986091]but the acl wasn't from the running, if anything its due to his fearlessness. that's what I hope can be brought to the NFL level. He can run, but slide or get out of bounds, no more hurdling or cutting back in at the last second and twisting that knee. Even hobbling he was able to get out of bounds in this game.

I don't want to take away his athletic threat but I want him to protect himself and his team. I am reminded of topgun when Iceman at first doesn't accept Maverick because although Mav is dangerous to the enemy its a reckless danger, once Mav controls it, he is a more dangerous pilot.

Likewise Griffin running right now is a danger to our opponent and to himself, IF Griff learns to protect himself the threat to our opponent will be multiplied tremendously.[/QUOTE]

What if he hurt that ACL against Baltimore? I agree about him scaring the defense but I'd rather have him for a Long time then just a couple good years. Let's just hope he'll be ready for 2013 . He's literally already become my favorite player to watch even if I wasn't a skins fan

[QUOTE=CASKINS;986094]If Shanahan knew and falsely disclosed information etc it isn't just a fine we're talking Sean Payton like punishments. I hope this isn't true...you don't need Roger Gooddell having to take extreme measures on this like he did with concussions.[/QUOTE]

Yep, could even lose our 2nd rd pick next year. Speculation of course but if the stories are true there will be a pretty significant punishment.

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We could use another weapon for Griff (healthy).. That game proved that. Dudes fighting to stay on the field and WRs are dropping passes sure the throws weren't the best but someone's gotta step up.

And without a doubt we need help over the top. Madieu wasn't the worst we could do at times he made plays especially against the Viks his old team stands out. But we need help there.

Twas a solid season though and im proud of this roster.

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[quote=Gtothearry;986099]Yep, could even lose our 2nd rd pick next year. Speculation of course but if the stories are true there will be a pretty significant punishment.[/quote]

Or Dan fires him to avoid punishment.....again lets hope its not true....good things are happening here and we don't need to be set back

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They didn't falsely discole injury info... If he tore the ACL beyond a sprain we would have knew it. Why would anybody wish that that was the case I don't want negative media and controversy any further than its gone. I just want a new season with a fresh start after a solid season ended in such ill fashion.

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[quote=Gtothearry;986077]@HTTR24_7: WOW.. So @kevinandrock are reporting RGIII had a sprained ACL and LCL following the Ngata hit..

@HTTR24_7: Also saying the plan was for the team to announce the acl injury following the season, claiming it was a result of playing on the lcl.[/quote]

Shit I could have told you after that hit, when it was reported that it was a grade 1 you knew knew something was fishy. The game against Philly and Dallas you could see it was worse than it was reported. Now my question is did the knee brace help at all? It there was no tears shouldn't the knee brace have prevented it?

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[quote=44ever;985981]Yeah I seen it. It buckled because the only support the already torn ligaments had was the brace. Just give it time and all will come out in the media eventually. That knee was tore against the Ravens. I guarantee it![/quote]


Holy ****. 44 may have been right considering this new report out about the ACL strain (tear) that occurred in the Baltimore game.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;986103]Shit I could have told you after that hit, when it was reported that it was a grade 1 you knew knew something was fishy. The game against Philly and Dallas you could see it was worse than it was reported. Now my question is did the knee brace help at all? It there was no tears shouldn't the knee brace have prevented it?[/quote]


Knee brace will limit how the leg can turn, but it isn't going to be full proof or prevent a tear.


Also, it may put a piece in the puzzle to why Shanny left the kid in the game.


[B]
LL ‏@HTTR24_7

@PeachOmania IF any of that is accurate then thats probably why Shanny left him in these games thinking the damage was already done. [/B]


All speculation of course and dependent on this new info being true.

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I'm not convinced on the Kevin and Rock info

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;986096]What if he hurt that ACL against Baltimore? I agree about him scaring the defense but I'd rather have him for a Long time then just a couple good years. Let's just hope he'll be ready for 2013 . He's literally already become my favorite player to watch even if I wasn't a skins fan[/QUOTE]

even against baltimore, griffin had the chance to get out of bounds but his fearlessness led him back in where Ngata lowered the hit.

I think he was learning, but depending on the resuts tomorrow and going forward, he clearly didn't learn fast enough.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;986107]I'm not convinced on the Kevin and Rock info[/QUOTE]

Have u heard anything about the Visit to Florida yet? Or any other news good or bad?

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All these rumors and speculation are driving me nuts. I think I will just wait to see what is really going on in the next week or so. If true that they didn't disclose the injury and let him play knowing that he could do more damage then this team and organization deserves what ever punishment and injury consequences that are coming their way.

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[quote=Gtothearry;986077]@HTTR24_7: WOW.. So @kevinandrock are reporting RGIII had a sprained ACL and LCL following the Ngata hit..

@HTTR24_7: Also saying the plan was for the team to announce the acl injury following the season, claiming it was a result of playing on the lcl.[/quote]

LOL, I tried telling you all...

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[quote=SmootSmack;986107]I'm not convinced on the Kevin and Rock info[/quote]


I'm hoping like hell it's not true. How would we really know the truth to begin with? Not like they can divulge medical records.

When Ngata hit him I thought his knee was ****ed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;985685]Partially as in I can confirm part of it, the other part I'm still waiting on[/quote]

I just caught what you meant by "partially"... Dammit!

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;986115]I'm hoping like hell it's not true. How would we really know the truth to begin with? Not like they can divulge medical records.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, but I am pretty sure the league has pretty stringent reporting rules. The level of conspiracy to make this true would be mind boggling, a well respected coach would have to put his career on the line, a world reknowned surgeon would have to put his career and reputation among all the sports world at risk, an owner and front office that is still suffering from a 36 million dollar cap penalty would have to put a storied franchise at risk. granted it may be martian dirt on fedex field but I doubt even sarcastic rover could find truth to this story.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986115]I'm hoping like hell it's not true. How would we really know the truth to begin with? Not like they can divulge medical records.[/quote]

I agree, but when I saw RGIII's leg almost snap from the Ngata hit i wondered how did he manage a grade 1 sprain. It was too good to be true.

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Who the f*ck cares what happened, he needs to heal up and get back on the field. In the meantime, Shanahan needs to figure out what to do with RG3 out. Honestly, people need to stop paying attention to all of these amateur insiders IMO.

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[quote=Ruhskins;986127]Who the f*ck cares what happened, he needs to heal up and get back on the field. In the meantime, Shanahan needs to figure out what to do with RG3 out. Honestly, people need to stop paying attention to all of these amateur insiders IMO.[/quote]

I care because RG3 gave his fans, his coaches, and his team everything he had and the people who are supposed to protect him (coaches, doctors) failed him in return! Most people on here have a sick feeling in their stomach about the way this was handled and there will be repercussions to follow. Count on it!

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this speculation is doing nobody any good at all. thanks to the media for fanning the flames.

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[quote=44ever;986128]I care because RG3 gave us, his coaches, and his team everything he had and the people who are supposed to protect him (coaches, doctors) failed him in return! Most people on here have a sick feeling in their stomach about the way this was handled and there will be repercussions to follow. Count on it![/quote]

My beef is that it happened twice, after the Ngata hit he went back on the field limping until he finally collapsed. Yesterday it was basically the same shit. Who do you trust? The report about Dr. Andrews before the game, this is our franchise player not John Beck.

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[quote=44ever;986128]I care because RG3 gave his fans, his coaches, and his team everything he had and the people who are supposed to protect him (coaches, doctors) failed him in return! Most people on here have a sick feeling in their stomach about the way this was handled and there will be repercussions to follow. Count on it![/quote]

RG3 is not a mentally retarded 5-year old kid here, he is also responsible. So what if that is all true, what is that going to do? Is RG3 going to miraculously get healed b/c he may have damaged his knee before yesterday? As I've said before, a lot of people f'ed up and they are paying for it. Now everyone, including RG3, need to fix this mess.

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[quote=44ever;986128]I care because RG3 gave his fans, his coaches, and his team everything he had and the people who are supposed to protect him (coaches, doctors) failed him in return! Most people on here have a sick feeling in their stomach about the way this was handled and there will be repercussions to follow. Count on it![/quote]

I hope the injury isn't too serious....again Let this be a lesson to the staff.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;986130]My beef is that it happened twice, after the Ngata hit he went back on the field limping until he finally collapsed. Yesterday it was basically the same shit. Who do you trust? The report about Dr. Andrews before the game, this is our franchise player not John Beck.[/quote]

even if it was John Beck all the player safety issues make this a serious deal if it is true. You're compromising the integrity of the game.

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[quote=CASKINS;986134]even if it was John Beck all the player safety issues make this a serious deal if it is true. You're compromising the integrity of the game.[/quote]

I know, I know, nobody deserves that. All I keep thinking is seeing poor Earl Campbell on a Walker and don't want see RGIII end up like that.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;986132]RG3 is not a mentally retarded 5-year old kid here, he is also responsible. So what if that is all true, what is that going to do? Is RG3 going to miraculously get healed b/c he may have damaged his knee before yesterday? As I've said before, a lot of people f'ed up and they are paying for it. Now everyone, including RG3, need to fix this mess.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree RG3 has some blame in this, if in fact these rumors are true.

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[quote=Ruhskins;986132]RG3 is not a mentally retarded 5-year old kid here, he is also responsible. So what if that is all true, what is that going to do? [B]Is RG3 going to miraculously get healed[/B] b/c he may have damaged his knee before yesterday? As I've said before, a lot of people f'ed up and they are paying for it. [B]Now everyone, including RG3, need to fix this mess.[/B][/quote]

No, RG3 is pretty much fckd. It will be a long recovery. As for the mess... Gotta wait for all the fallout. Redskins waited a long time for RG3 as the news breaks people will be calling for answers and it could get ugly for the Org.

But, I agree with what you are saying... Lets get it fixed.

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[quote=44ever;986140]No, RG3 is pretty much fckd. It will be a long recovery. As for the mess... Gotta wait for all the fallout. Redskins waited a long time for RG3 as the news breaks people will be calling for answers and it could get ugly for the Org.

But, I agree with what you are saying... Lets get it fixed.[/quote]

I know this is going to sound crazy, but after years of f*cked up decisions by this organizations, this poor decision by Shanny/RG3/The Team is not as bad as all the f*ck ups we've seen before.

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[quote=Ruhskins;986142]I know this is going to sound crazy, but after years of f*cked up decisions by this organizations, this poor decision by Shanny/RG3/The Team is not as bad as all the f*ck ups we've seen before.[/quote]


This is the worst single decision by far for Shanahan.

Shanny was desperate, Sh*t our whole org was desperate, we as fans were desperate, and thats why while we knew he should come out, part of all of us wanted to see him stay in the game including RG3 but thats no excuse.

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Well, if it is a ACL/LCL tear i'm hoping it's not that bad. Dr. Andrews is amazing and I wouldn't be surprised to see RG3 have a Peterson type return. He has the heart and commitment but in a reality type setting. I have to wonder if this is going to be an every year thing. Will we be wondering if RG3 can play every other week because he gets hurt?

It's sad that we finally have this type of player at the QB position and our Snake Bit franchise is having to deal with this..

I will say one thing..

Shanahan doesn't look like the moron anymore for grabbing Cousins.. Might of been the best pick in the draft now.

[QUOTE=44ever;986140]No, RG3 is pretty much fckd. It will be a long recovery. As for the mess... Gotta wait for all the fallout. Redskins waited a long time for RG3 as the news breaks people will be calling for answers and it could get ugly for the Org.

But, I agree with what you are saying... Lets get it fixed.[/QUOTE]

It seems like you are going off worse cased media speculations, all of which to me are founded on a misspeak by shanahan and appearance driven guesses. Maybe it is all true and the Redskins Watergate is about to unfold in which case there will definitely be tons of fallout for everyone involved (cue Mara licking his chops), but can't we just wait a day or two before writing the epitaph for the 2013 and beyond redskins?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;986147]It seems like you are going off worse cased media speculations, all of which to me are founded on a misspeak by shanahan and appearance driven guesses. Maybe it is all true and the Redskins Watergate is about to unfold in which case there will definitely be tons of fallout for everyone involved (cue Mara licking his chops), but can't we just wait a day or two before writing the epitaph for the 2013 and beyond redskins?[/quote]

You men kneegate :)

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If I'm not mistaken, didn't Tom Brady get his chance because Drew Bledsoe got the crap knocked out of him? The sky isn't falling. Everyone is acting like we can't field a team w/out RG3. This team can still win with Kurt Cousins. We have depth now. If RG3 misses time next year then perhaps everyone learned a valuable lesson...RG3, the coaches and the doctors. Let's hope he has a speedy recovery like AP did. But if he doesn't the show must go on.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;986147]It seems like you are going off worse cased media speculations, all of which to me are founded on a misspeak by shanahan and appearance driven guesses. Maybe it is all true and the Redskins Watergate is about to unfold in which case there will definitely be tons of fallout for everyone involved (cue Mara licking his chops), but can't we just wait a day or two before writing the epitaph for the 2013 and beyond redskins?[/quote]

Brother check my posts. Ive been saying this for 4 weeks now. I think the media is getting it from me. ;)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;986148]You men kneegate :)[/quote]

Kneegate, Capgate, Replacement Refgate....anything else?