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[quote=donofriose;988302]I did not think that was a push off, nice throw and nice catch. Texans defense has been terrible against good quarterbacks so this is not surprising.[/quote]

How do you think he got that last split second separation even though they were stride for stride? Even Simms commented on him pushing the defenders arm down.

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[B]Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Tom Brady is 2-3 in the playoffs since '07. Does that mean he's gotten less clutch? No. Stop judging QB play by postseason record/exploits. [/B]



I think some of you need to take notice to this.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;988307]It's so weird how much more I care about the playoffs when the Redskins aren't even in it to begin with. With them getting eliminated, I've lost nearly all interest. I'm sure I'll want to watch the Super Bowl though[/QUOTE]

Yeah I could care less who wins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;988307]It's so weird how much more I care about the playoffs when the Redskins aren't even in it to begin with. With them getting eliminated, I've lost nearly all interest. I'm sure I'll want to watch the Super Bowl though[/quote]I keep thinking, "If RG3 was 100% (and our defense kept playing well) we'd whip these guys."

It's depressing. :(

I don't think we would beat SF next week though. But Atlanta with homefield might. As for AFC, the patriots are pretty much a lock

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[quote=NC_Skins;988312][B]Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Tom Brady is 2-3 in the playoffs since '07. Does that mean he's gotten less clutch? No. Stop judging QB play by postseason record/exploits. [/B]



I think some of you need to take notice to this.[/quote]

What is his overall record again. I can take any set of stats and make them look worst then what they are. Look at the entier picture and not just a couple of pixels.

Manning is number one all time in one and dones he has eight the next player has 4... But Brady is about to have the all time record for playoff wins, the numbers speak for themselves. Almost 300 yards and two touchdowns without their best offensive weapon.

I always say this... Everything Peyton Manning has done Tom Brady has done... Peyton Manning has not done everything Tom Brady has done.

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Even w/out Gronk New England just keeps scoring points. Their offense is so versatile.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;988317]I don't think we would beat SF next week though. But Atlanta with homefield might. As for AFC, the patriots are pretty much a lock[/quote]

Heard the same thing about Denver playing Baltimore, do not count Baltimore out. They will play hard and plus Gronk might be out.

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This game is over. Don't see Houston scoring 3 TDs AND hold NE to nothing.

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After this loss, the Texans need to go ahead and fire Kubiak and start trying to find Schaub's replacement. That guy isn't going to take them anywhere.

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[quote=donofriose;988320]What is his overall record again. I can take any set of stats and make them look worst then what they are. Look at the entier picture and not just a couple of pixels.

Manning is number one all time in one and dones he has eight the next player has 4... But Brady is about to have the all time record for playoff wins, the numbers speak for themselves. Almost 300 yards and two touchdowns without their best offensive weapon.

I always say this... Everything Peyton Manning has done Tom Brady has done... Peyton Manning has not done everything Tom Brady has done.[/quote]



No it doesn't. You are again forgetting that Brady was backed by a top 5 PPG defense and Manning was not. Defense reigns supreme in the playoffs. Very few exceptions.

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good lord...bye Houston

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;988324]After this loss, the Texans need to go ahead and fire Kubiak and start trying to find Schaub's replacement. That guy isn't going to take them anywhere.[/QUOTE]

I think Tony romo is better and I'm being serious

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[quote=skinsfaninok;988328]I think Tony romo is better and I'm being serious[/quote]


I would take Tony Romo every day of the week before I would Schaub. Kubiak has used up his 9 lives. Time to move on from him and get some fresh blood in there. He's had ample time to get it done.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988325]No it doesn't. You are again forgetting that Brady was backed by a top 5 PPG defense and Manning was not. Defense reigns supreme in the playoffs. Very few exceptions.[/quote]

You're arguing with Gisele Bunchden


My god I hate it Jim Nantz, first he gets Gus Johnson to not get resigned by CBS, and now every patriots game he does he clearly shows who his favorite team is and that he is good buds with Belichick ("just to show you how great of a coach Belichick is he doesn't even react when his team scores!")

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[quote=NC_Skins;988329]I would take Tony Romo every day of the week before I would Schaub. Kubiak has used up his 9 lives. Time to move on from him and get some fresh blood in there. He's had ample time to get it done.[/quote]

I'd keep Kubiak and get a new QB

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Overall, after a season the Texans had, neither Schaub or Kubiak aren't going anywhere. And Romo is not better than Schaub...

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Romo is better than Schaub. Probably is better than Flacco.

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[quote=SmootSmack;988166]I think Houston is a fraud and will lose by more than two scores today.[/quote]


Good call Smoot. Frauds indeed.

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On a side note this is now 3 consecutive years where we've either beat or swept a participant in the NFC or AFC championship.

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[quote=CASKINS;988337]On a side note this is now 3 consecutive years where we've either beat or swept a participant in the NFC or AFC championship.[/quote]

We've played the super bowl champion for the past 7 years

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[quote=CultBrennan59;988339]We've played the super bowl champion for the past 7 years[/quote]


Looks like Baltimore is the SB winner this year. :laughing-

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[quote=NC_Skins;988340]Looks like Baltimore is the SB winner this year. :laughing-[/quote]

or atlanta..

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[quote=NC_Skins;988325]No it doesn't. You are again forgetting that Brady was backed by a top 5 PPG defense and Manning was not. Defense reigns supreme in the playoffs. Very few exceptions.[/quote]

Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs

Tenn 16-19...19/42 227 yrds 0 touchdowns
@ Mia 17-23... 17/32 194 yds 1 touchdown
@ NYJ 0-41... 14/31 137 yards 2 interceptions
@ NE 14-24... 23/47 237 yards 1 TD 4 Interceptions
@ NE 3-20... 27/42 238 yards 1 Interceptions
Pitt 18-21... 22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown
Super bowl run... 97/153 3 touchdowns 7 interceptions
San Diego... 24-28... 3 touchdowns 2 interceptions
San Diego 17-23... 1 touchdown
Superbowl... 17-31 331 yards 1 touchdown 1 int (looks like the offense scored a lot but as you remember when the Colts needed a touchdown Manning threw a pic 6).
NYJ 16-19... 18/26 225 yards 1 touchdown
Baltimore 35-38... 290 yards 3 touchdowns 3 T.O.

The only game I see where his defense let him down was the Denver game... except he played bad that game too and had a pic 6, a fumble with the lead, and threw an INT when the Broncos had the ball at midfield. These scores look like the defense came to play but Manning played poorly. People thought Manning didn't have a good defense but in the playoffs the defense would play well, similar to NE last year, by the way the 2nd worst defense of all time was in the superbowl thanks to a Tom Brady. Manning gets all the credit in the regular season but none of the blame during the postseason. The scores of the games he played in speak for themselves. He played poorly. The record and stats show it.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;988342]or atlanta..[/quote]


Don't we normally beat the SB winner during the year? Since we lost to Atlanta, figured it be the Ravens.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;988342]or atlanta..[/quote]

Tony Gonzales needs that ring. Or Ed Reed.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988324]After this loss, the Texans need to go ahead and fire Kubiak and start trying to find Schaub's replacement. That guy isn't going to take them anywhere.[/quote]

This isn't fantasy football. Who are their replacements? Who out on the street is better than Schaub? New England is just a better team. It doesn't matter who's coaching Houston.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988329]I would take Tony Romo every day of the week before I would Schaub. Kubiak has used up his 9 lives. Time to move on from him and get some fresh blood in there. He's had ample time to get it done.[/quote]

Kubiak's offense hasn't been the same since Kyle left... :)

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[quote=donofriose;988343]Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs

Tenn 16-19...19/42 227 yrds 0 touchdowns
@ Mia 17-23... 17/32 194 yds 1 touchdown
@ NYJ 0-41... 14/31 137 yards 2 interceptions
@ NE 14-24... 23/47 237 yards 1 TD 4 Interceptions
@ NE 3-20... 27/42 238 yards 1 Interceptions
Pitt 18-21... 22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown
Super bowl run... 97/153 3 touchdowns 7 interceptions
San Diego... 24-28... 3 touchdowns 2 interceptions
San Diego 17-23... 1 touchdown
Superbowl... 17-31 331 yards 1 touchdown 1 int (looks like the offense scored a lot but as you remember when the Colts needed a touchdown Manning threw a pic 6).
NYJ 16-19... 18/26 225 yards 1 touchdown
Baltimore 35-38... 290 yards 3 touchdowns 3 T.O.

The only game I see where his defense let him down was the Denver game... except he played bad that game too and had a pic 6, a fumble with the lead, and threw an INT when the Broncos had the ball at midfield. These scores look like the defense came to play but Manning played poorly. People thought Manning didn't have a good defense but in the playoffs the defense would play well, similar to NE last year, by the way the 2nd worst defense of all time was in the superbowl thanks to a Tom Brady. Manning gets all the credit in the regular season but none of the blame during the postseason. The scores of the games he played in speak for themselves. He played poorly. The record and stats show it.[/quote]


You don't even listen to your own logic.

Answer this. I have QB A who has bad defense, who is going head to head with QB B with a very good defense. If QB A and QB B are exactly equal, who stands a better chance at winning? Which of these QBs will have to overcome more?

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;988347]Kubiak's offense hasn't been the same since Kyle left... :)[/quote]


Nonsense. Kyle was holding them back.


[quote=skinsfan69;988346]This isn't fantasy football. Who are their replacements? Who out on the street is better than Schaub? New England is just a better team. It doesn't matter who's coaching Houston.[/quote]


I said start finding, not to flat out cut him. I mean finding his replacement in the draft.


Not sure I say NE is a better team. Just outplayed and out-coached today.

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[quote=donofriose;988345]Tony Gonzales needs that ring. Or Ed Reed.[/quote]

I would love to see Ed Reed get his ring. Don't count out the 49ers and Patriots just yet though.

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[quote=donofriose;988343]Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs

Tenn 16-19...19/42 227 yrds 0 touchdowns
@ Mia 17-23... 17/32 194 yds 1 touchdown
@ NYJ 0-41... 14/31 137 yards 2 interceptions
@ NE 14-24... 23/47 237 yards 1 TD 4 Interceptions
@ NE 3-20... 27/42 238 yards 1 Interceptions
Pitt 18-21... 22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown
Super bowl run... 97/153 3 touchdowns 7 interceptions
San Diego... 24-28... 3 touchdowns 2 interceptions
San Diego 17-23... 1 touchdown
Superbowl... 17-31 331 yards 1 touchdown 1 int (looks like the offense scored a lot but as you remember when the Colts needed a touchdown Manning threw a pic 6).
NYJ 16-19... 18/26 225 yards 1 touchdown
Baltimore 35-38... 290 yards 3 touchdowns 3 T.O.

The only game I see where his defense let him down was the Denver game... except he played bad that game too and had a pic 6, a fumble with the lead, and threw an INT when the Broncos had the ball at midfield. These scores look like the defense came to play but Manning played poorly. People thought Manning didn't have a good defense but in the playoffs the defense would play well, similar to NE last year, by the way the 2nd worst defense of all time was in the superbowl thanks to a Tom Brady. Manning gets all the credit in the regular season but none of the blame during the postseason. The scores of the games he played in speak for themselves. He played poorly. The record and stats show it.[/quote]

And he has played on 2 good teams, the " he hasn't had a good D" excuse is old. Brady is the better QB the playoff records speaks volumes. There have been years where Brady had average receivers and defense and still won.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;988355]And he has played on 2 good teams, the " he hasn't had a good D" excuse is old. Brady is the better QB the playoff records speaks volumes. There have been years where Brady had average receivers and defense and still won.[/quote]


Not too average if they are catching balls and helping Tom get those wins. The difference is that their offense has evolved over the years and is a faster pace offense now. Average defenses? If you look back, a couple of their defenses were average on yards per game, NOT PPG allowed. I'm quite positive most of his SB teams had a top 5 defense in the PPG allowed category.


Again, if you use playoff wins as your judgment, then Timmy Smith is a better RB than Barry Sanders. This is exactly what you are arguing.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988356]Not too average if they are catching balls and helping Tom get those wins. The difference is that their offense has evolved over the years and is a faster pace offense now. Average defenses? If you look back, a couple of their defenses were average on yards per game, NOT PPG allowed. I'm quite positive most of his SB teams had a top 5 defense in the PPG allowed category.


Again, if you use playoff wins as your judgment, then Timmy Smith is a better RB than Barry Sanders. This is exactly what you are arguing.[/quote]

I'm arguing 12 years of history and stats, Brady in 2001 became the starter and his regular season, playoffs and 3 SB wins say it all. Manning has had many chances and always chokes at the crucial moments as the stats state. Brady is clutch.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;988359]I'm arguing 12 years of history and stats, Brady in 2001 became the starter and his regular season, playoffs and 3 SB wins say it all. Manning has had many chances and always chokes at the crucial moments as the stats state. Brady is clutch.[/quote]


I do think Brady is clutch, but I think his defense gives him more opportunities on the field. Also, he's lost the last 2 super bowls, does that make him less clutch than what he was before?


I'll ask you the same question. Brady is having to face off on the #27 ranked defense to move on in the playoffs. Manning is having to face off on the #5 defense to move on in the playoffs. Which one of these guys will face a harder time moving on? Does Tom have it easier or does Peyton? If both of these QBs are equal, which one do you suspect to move on?

It's quite simple deduction. Peyton hasn't fared as well because he simply was facing stiffer competition than Brady.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988348]You don't even listen to your own logic.

Answer this. I have QB A who has bad defense, who is going head to head with QB B with a very good defense. If QB A and QB B are exactly equal, who stands a better chance at winning? Which of these QBs will have to overcome more?[/quote]

I just showed you scores to state that Peyton Manning's defense played well, but according to you his defense lost him games. The scores and stats show that he played poorly and his defense played well. Just like Brady. Brady played well and instead of losing a lot of those playoff games that Manning did he won it. The difference is when its 24-17 Brady is usually on the winning side while Manning is on the losing side. Brady has more touchdown passes in the postseason while having less interceptions. Manning gets all the credit but when the playoff comes around his stats and score show that his team played well but he did not come through. If he was losing 41-37 games I would agree with you. But he is losing low 20-s high teens game which means his bad defense came through but he did not.

Well today proved who the better playoff quarterback is. One was at home, one did not turn the ball over at all, while the other had 3.

Manning gets the credit but for some reason does not get the blame when his team loses. Stats show otherwise.

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[quote=donofriose;988362]I just showed you scores to state that Peyton Manning's defense played well, but according to you his defense lost him games. The scores and stats show that he played poorly and his defense played well. Just like Brady. Brady played well and instead of losing a lot of those playoff games that Manning did he won it. The difference is when its 24-17 Brady is usually on the winning side while Manning is on the losing side. Brady has more touchdown passes in the postseason while having less interceptions. Manning gets all the credit but when the playoff comes around his stats and score show that his team played well but he did not come through. If he was losing 41-37 games I would agree with you. But he is losing low 20-s high teens game which means his bad defense came through but he did not.

Well today proved who the better playoff quarterback is. One was at home, one did not turn the ball over at all, while the other had 3.

Manning gets the credit but for some reason does not get the blame when his team loses. Stats show otherwise.[/quote]


I didn't read any of that. I want you to answer the question I presented. WHen you answer the question, I'll respond what you have to say.


[B]Answer this. I have QB A who has bad defense, who is going head to head with QB B with a very good defense. If QB A and QB B are exactly equal, who stands a better chance at winning? Which of these QBs will have to overcome more?[/B]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;988351]I would love to see Ed Reed get his ring. Don't count out the 49ers and Patriots just yet though.[/quote]

It'll be that so neither can get a super bowl (Reed and Gonzalez)

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The bottom line is:

You want to have a nice season, make the playoffs, maybe win a SB you get Manning.

You want to win championships you get Brady.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;988365]The bottom line is:

You want to have a nice season, make the playoffs, maybe win a SB you get Manning.

You want to win championships you get Brady.[/quote]

Except when he plays the other Mannng of course.