[QUOTE=calia;1024771]Interesting observation on Hog Heaven -- comparing the Spurrier and Kelly debut games (apologies if this has been posted already):

Kelly's Eagles: 443 yards of offense on 74 plays and 33 points

Spurrier's Redskins: 442 yards of offense on 72 plays and 31 points

Let's hope that Kelly has the same trajectory as Spurrier (7-9 season 1; 5-11 season 2; no season 3)

Hail.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this was mentioned either, but for all the talk of the eagles 53 in the first half, no one really mentions that the redskins had 58 plays in the second half.

I really see no way the eagles finish above .500. Their offense worked on us because we missed a lot of tackles, more so than the scheme, IMO. I don't think this offense will hold water when it's up against a stout d. It opens the QB and other position players up for abuse. It works in college cause there's the next man up and it's 11 games as opposed to 16+. Guess we'll see...

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[quote=SmootSmack;1024768]Read what you wrote on post #288[/quote]

You sir are correct and thanks for pointing that out. Maybe I need to proof read before I hit submit. The point I was trying to infer is that he didn't want the RO on a regular basis or want it to become the base offense.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1024772]without looking it up I believe SS first game coaching was against ARZ am I right?[/quote]

Winner winner. We beat Arizona 31-23.

The next week we played Philly and lost 37-7.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1024775]Not sure if this was mentioned either, but for all the talk of the eagles 53 in the first half, no one really mentions that the redskins had 58 plays in the second half.

I really see no way the eagles finish above .500. Their offense worked on us because we missed a lot of tackles, more so than the scheme, IMO. I don't think this offense will hold water when it's up against a stout d. It opens the QB and other position players up for abuse. It works in college cause there's the next man up and it's 11 games as opposed to 16+. Guess we'll see...[/quote]

Yeah and Philly's offense was clearly gassed by halftime. I don't think it holds up either, it's only a matter of time before Vick gets hurt.

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After one game, the eagles are suddenly the next great NFL thing. The media seems to have selective memory because the eagles "high flying offense" has as much to do with the Redskins mistakes and specifically turnovers as it does anything else. After the turnovers, the eagles came back down to earth.

The reason why the eagles ran so many plays is because the redskins kept giving the ball back to them - with the 2 turnovers, safety, and even the defensive touchdown. I swear the national media are morons - not because they're stupid - but because they are lazy and repeat what they think everyone else is saying.

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[quote=Mattyk;1024780]Yeah and Philly's offense was clearly gassed by halftime. I don't think it holds up either, [B]it's only a matter of time before Vick gets hurt.[/quote][/B]

Ahh, c'mon -- people said the same thing about RGIII last season and look what . . . oh, right.

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I know that RGIII,Morris, and the rest of the Redskins have not made being rusty as an excuse, which is the right thing to do so they hold themselves accountable. But that's what rusty is- making mistakes, not being sharp, and not playing to the level that you're used to because of inactivity.

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The media is overlooking this, but Vick's words doesn't sound like a player that wants to keep up that fast-paced offense for a full season. One way or another, the media and the eagles are still trying to anoint them - NFL's Dream Team.

Vick: "I've never been a part of anything like it. When the first quarter was over, I thought we was about to go into halftime. It was unreal. The only thing I could tell myself was, '[B]It's going to be a long season.'[/B]"

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[quote=Mattyk;1024780]Yeah and Philly's offense was clearly gassed by halftime. I don't think it holds up either, it's only a matter of time before Vick gets hurt.[/quote]

He was already hurt during our game.

Charles woodson was on total access and he basically said the same about vick.

College football related but also redskins.

Doug Williams was fired today at grambling state. It's been 2 games..

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;1024783]I know that RGIII,Morris, and the rest of the Redskins have not made being rusty as an excuse, which is the right thing to do so they hold themselves accountable. But that's what rusty is- making mistakes, not being sharp, and not playing to the level that you're used to because of inactivity.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Griff is never going to make excuses. He is the only one that really could use rust as an excuse though, I mean the rest of the team did see some live action diring pre-season and participate fully in 11-11's in camp.
As for Morris - who knows what his numbers would have looked like if we werent down 33-7. That kind of defecit never lends a hand to the ground game.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1024791]College football related but also redskins.

Doug Williams was fired today at grambling state. It's been 2 games..[/QUOTE]

1-10 last year and got smoked in the two losses. Maybe he can play safety for us in his spare time?
Edit: his son is the qb on the team. That has to be tough.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9663102/nfl-players-doubts-philadelphia-eagles-maintain-tempo-attack]NFL players have doubts that Philadelphia Eagles can maintain up-tempo attack - ESPN[/url]

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Exactly what I was saying after the game- how you survive the initial onslaught (like the Tyson fights) and when they catch their breathe then attack.

[B][I]"I think that the speed of that offense isn’t gonna be like that for four quarters. What they’re gonna do is they’re gonna come out, and they’re gonna punch people in the mouth with that tempo. That’s what we did at Oregon. We wanted to come out and set the tempo and dictate to the other team what the game was gonna be like. They jumped out and they scored all those points and you just hang on. You play sound, fundamental football for the other three quarters. Then you can hopefully get away with a win."

-- Kyle Long, Bears guard who played for Kelly at Oregon
[/I][/B]

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Here's what some players think.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/56134/nfln-says-is-eagles-offense-sustainable]NFLN Says: Is Eagles offense sustainable? - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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Lets see if it works when the opposing team doesn't turn the ball over basically 4 times (safety included) in the first half and first possession of the second half of the game.

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Regardless of what we think of Kelly's offense, it worked against us week one. Remember, it was their first game running it. Everyone is saying they can't sustain it, and I think there is some truth to that, but on the flip side, they might get better at it.

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The best thing about being new to the NFL is unpredictability. But since there may be a pattern that's confirmed by a former Kelly/Oregon player, that should no longer be the case. A lot of NFL expert analysts seem to ignore and overlook this. A team usually doesn't just cruise to a one possession lead. That's not a blowout or route. Especially when that strategy is confirmed by a former player.

You have to have a rope-a-dope or rocky (ironic?) strategy and let them punch themselves out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1024804]Regardless of what we think of Kelly's offense, it worked against us week one. Remember, it was their first game running it. Everyone is saying they can't sustain it, and I think there is some truth to that, but on the flip side, they might get better at it.[/quote]

But a former player already said that that's his strategy - all out in the first quarter and try to play fundamentally the rest of the game. Problem is its hard to do anything when they're tired. They key to opposing defenses is to not keep up with their pace just contain them while they're playing that way. Even if they score every possession while they're in this mode- limit their scores to field goals. It's a win for the defense if its a field goal or less in the first quarter.

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Another key is finding a weak link on offense, especially on the line, since they are consistently on the field on all offensive plays. Just thinking like a fighter- a fighter can only fight at a fast pace based on what talents, skills, and physical condition that the fighters in. But not all fighters can fight at that style.

It's gotta be like that for all the offensive players consistently on the field for the team to be able to sustain success. But that can't be the case- you're going to have at least one player that can't play like that. Find that player (or those players) and you've found the weak link to attack after the initial onslaught.

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Started rewatching the game, got through the 1st half. You can't do that to your defense, leave it on the field nearly all the 1st qtr and a lot of the 2nd. At least we got to see a lot of the D, and there's a lot to like. The front seven is not elite but very good. Bowen was kinda quiet and cofield not as effective without two hands but the D line is solid. LB corp is also. I think ppl have a way higher standard for London. He missed some tackles (because of physical limitations) but made a lot of smart plays also. Riley missed some tackles too (because he's out of place sometimes) but made some good ones. Riley's side/gap was attacked more than London's and Riley let himself get blocked out of the play or bit on the fake too much. Several of the big McCoy runs were on Riley, including the one right before Philly scored late in the 2nd half.

But our secondary still sucks. Rambo is a huge liability at FS, but why put biggers back there? He's a converted corner now? I still think the team made a mistake not trying Hall at centerfield when they decided to keep him. Hall lacks the physical ability to cover the better receivers but probably is our best DB at reading the defense. Anyway, the corners are playing way off the LOS and Rambo bites on anything. Biggers wasn't much better.

Not enough seen of the offense to say a lot, other than Philly put on the zone blocking clinic that night and I hope Shanny calls out the oline all week for it. Our guys didn't get to the 2nd level run blocking and looked flat slow sometimes. You could say sluggish from sitting too long but it's a lousy excuse. And the pass blocking...ugh. Hopefully this group gets it act together ASAP.

[QUOTE=The Goat;1024810]Started rewatching the game, got through the 1st half. [/QUOTE]

Masochist! I never want to see that shit again.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1024787]The media is overlooking this, but Vick's words doesn't sound like a player that wants to keep up that fast-paced offense for a full season. [B]One way or another, the media and the eagles are still trying to anoint them - NFL's Dream Team.[/B]

Vick: "I've never been a part of anything like it. When the first quarter was over, I thought we was about to go into halftime. It was unreal. The only thing I could tell myself was, 'It's going to be a long season.'"[/quote]

I say let 'em. It will take the focus off of the Skins for a while, and under the radar is best. By mid-season we will know who the REAL Eagles are...maybe before then.

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I have been reading some of the analysis from various sites and watching the film & field shots. Kelly's offense created big lanes in the run game by spreading the D wide. Also, used different read options to force Fletcher to make the choice. Really singled out Fletcher as the option target. Once he committed, Fletcher simply did not have the recovery speed to make up the lost step. In addition, safety play was pretty miserable - bad angles, missed tackles, etc.

Solid tackling would have made a huge difference. This offense works b/c of McCoy. Period. Not Vick and not Jackson. They help obviously, but, if you don't have a McCoy level runner, this O don't fly. Also, defense needs speed b/c the offense isolates defenders and really makes them responsible for a lot of ground. Fast, disciplined linebacking, IMHO, is the key to stopping it.

Good designs, but nothing good tackling wouldn't slow down. Also, the concept needs a big field. Between the 20's, this offense is likely to make some yards. As they get into the red zone, however, field shrinks and so will the lanes both passing and running. Still - gotta tackle or any "scheme" will beat you.

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Thinking negatively, I'm worried Fletcher might catch alot of heat for bad play this year. I don't really think it's fair. He was bad in pass coverage last year. However, he is all we have at the spot, and we had no cap space to sign anyone.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1024853]Thinking negatively, I'm worried Fletcher might catch alot of heat for bad play this year. I don't really think it's fair. He was bad in pass coverage last year. However, he is all we have at the spot, and we had no cap space to sign anyone.[/quote]

I know it's sacrilege to some to criticize him, but if he doesn't play well he deserves heat just like any other player.

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Rich Eisen ‏@richeisen 13m
Chip Kelly is 1st coach to dial up 53 1st half plays since @CoachBillick dialed up 56 for MIN in Week 15 1998 at Ravens, who then hired him.

Hard to believe Billick would ever have 56 plays, let alone in one half.

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[quote=Mattyk;1024860]I know it's sacrilege to some to criticize him, but if he doesn't play well he deserves heat just like any other player.[/quote]

He's still playing well and he's invaluable as far as leadership and being the "QB of the defense". He can read offenses and align the D like no one else.

But, he is losing his impact. He'll rack up the tackles and get some INTs this season, but aside from Kerrigan obviously, I think the star of our LB crew this season is going to be [B]Perry Riley[/B].

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1024861]Rich Eisen ‏@richeisen 13m
Chip Kelly is 1st coach to dial up 53 1st half plays since @CoachBillick dialed up 56 for MIN in Week 15 1998 at Ravens, who then hired him.

[B]Hard to believe Billick would ever have 56 plays, let alone in one half.[/B][/quote]

They ran 74 per game last year.

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As to Fletch, it might be time to see how Barnett does in these types of games. Certainly, we could work him into the rotation.

Fletch makes up for his lack of speed by his recognition skills, still sometimes you just can't beat speed and I am wondering if maybe Barnett has a little more of it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1024869]They ran 74 per game last year.[/quote]

Billick? I thought he was out of coaching.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1024876]Billick? I thought he was out of coaching.[/quote]

My bad I was talking about Belichick

As for Billick there was a time he was known as being an offensive guru in his time with the Vikes

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[quote=Mattyk;1024911]My bad I was talking about Belichick

As for Billick there was a time he was known as being an offensive guru in his time with the Vikes[/quote]

Yeah, but I guess I always think of him more in a slow paced grind it out kind of way. Don't know that much about him though.

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Overreaction Tuesday continues:
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/brace-yourselves-washingtonians-disappointing-redskins-season-152600444--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

What a clown.

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Hankerson makes this grab, and we probably win that game:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BT-rgdiCAAA-Fmw.jpg[/IMG]

That was Griffin getting close to last year's form.

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^ exactly

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1024917]Yeah, but I guess I always think of him more in a slow paced grind it out kind of way. Don't know that much about him though.[/quote]

He was the OC in Minnesota when they set the league record for points scored in '98.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1024919]Hankerson makes this grab, and we probably win that game:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BT-rgdiCAAA-Fmw.jpg[/IMG]

That was Griffin getting close to last year's form.[/quote]

Sigh, Hank.

Flashes some greatness, but always finds a way to drop a couple. If he can get his hands right he could be dangerous. Would have been tough catch as RG3 had a lot of mustard on it and it was tailing away from him but still, gotta make those key grabs to take it to the next level.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1024917]Yeah, but I guess I always think of him more in a slow paced grind it out kind of way. Don't know that much about him though.[/quote]

Billick ran the Minnesota offense when they had a high-powered '90's aerial attack featuring Randall Cunningham/Brad Johnson/Robert Smith/Randy Moss/Cris Carter in their heydays. One year they broke the season scoring record set by the TheismannSkins.

Billick became grind-it-out after he joined the QB-less Ravens.