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A late-round CB I like is Dontae Johnson from NC State. Great size at 6-2, 200, and played opposite our boy Amerson. Probably nothing more than a career backup, but a guy I like.

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=109106&draftyear=2014&genpos=FS]Dontae Johnson*|*North Carolina State,*CB*:*2014 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

Another late-rounder I like is Ricardo Allen from Purdue. A small corner at 5-9, 187, but plays bigger than that. Plays with hustle and ferocity, two things I love. I like to think he could sit for a year, then take over the slot.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737526/ricardo-allen]Ricardo Allen, CB, Purdue, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

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[quote=SirLK26;1068903]A late-round CB I like is Dontae Johnson from NC State. Great size at 6-2, 200, and played opposite our boy Amerson. Probably nothing more than a career backup, but a guy I like.

[URL="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=109106&draftyear=2014&genpos=FS"]Dontae Johnson*|*North Carolina State,*CB*:*2014 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/URL]

Another late-rounder I like is Ricardo Allen from Purdue. A small corner at 5-9, 187, but plays bigger than that. Plays with hustle and ferocity, two things I love. I like to think he could sit for a year, then take over the slot.

[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737526/ricardo-allen"]Ricardo Allen, CB, Purdue, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL][/quote]

The only good thing about Dontae Johnson is his size. He shouldn't consistently get beat like he did with the measured speed that he has - 4.45 in 40. It's like he just woke up from a nap when the ball is snapped. This guy's only worth a pick up as an undrafted free agent.

Ricardo Allen can play, but this is where size matters. And he may get beat a lot if he plays slot with the speedier wideouts because he's relatively slow - 4.61 in 40. It would be good value if he can get picked up in the 7th round - just for depth. If an opposing offense isolates him - him and the team are in trouble.

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You're probably right, but every late-round prospect has had people write them off; sometimes these naysayers are right, sometimes they're not. Look at Richard Sherman. Not the best example, because he's in the perfect situation and isn't as good as the stats indicate, but he was projected as a late-rounder due to top-end speed deficiencies and lack of fluidity and explosion when changing directions, as well as a problem of a lack of consistency when tackling in the open field. Look where he's at now. My point is, it's impossible to determine how a player's game and athleticism will translate to the NFL, and how he'll be used.

Anyway, I don't necessarily have high expectations for either player. I'm just a fan of theirs and will enjoy seeing what they can do in the NFL, even if not on our team.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1044776]It is such a great year in college football, use this thread to talk about your favorite players. Who would be good for the Skins. IMO the only pic in the second round is Shayne Skov ILB from Stanford.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664224/shayne-skov]Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url][/quote]


Skov ran a 5.1 40 at his pro workout according to Tony Pauline

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[quote=Irrefutable;1068930]Skov ran a 5.1 40 at his pro workout according to Tony Pauline[/quote]

His post was well before the combine and pro days

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[quote=Irrefutable;1068930]Skov ran a 5.1 40 at his pro workout according to Tony Pauline[/quote]

And London Fletcher was not drafted. All I know is Skov can play and could be our new Fletcher, who cares what he did at the tryout, I know what he does on the field.

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[quote=SirLK26;1068910]You're probably right, but every late-round prospect has had people write them off; sometimes these naysayers are right, sometimes they're not. Look at Richard Sherman. Not the best example, because he's in the perfect situation and isn't as good as the stats indicate, but he was projected as a late-rounder due to top-end speed deficiencies and lack of fluidity and explosion when changing directions, as well as a problem of a lack of consistency when tackling in the open field. Look where he's at now. My point is, it's impossible to determine how a player's game and athleticism will translate to the NFL, and how he'll be used.

Anyway, I don't necessarily have high expectations for either player. I'm just a fan of theirs and will enjoy seeing what they can do in the NFL, even if not on our team.[/quote]

I gotcha. I do agree with the difficulty to project a player's success in the NFL. And I didn't mean to bash you or your opinion on any player. I'll try to be more tactful next time.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1068935]I gotcha. I do agree with the difficulty to project a player's success in the NFL. And I didn't mean to bash you or your opinion on any player. I'll try to be more tactful next time.[/quote]

Hey, no offense taken. Didn't think your post was untactful at all.

On Skov, I really don't care what he ran in the 40 yard dash. While he wouldn't be a great pick at #34, the dude can play some serious football, and you combine his ferocity with the fact that he's what I like to call a "pure football player", he'll quickly become a fan favorite on whatever team drafts him. Anbody who's seen him play will say pretty much the same thing. If he's on the board in the 3rd round, I'd be very happy with a Skov selection.

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[IMG]http://www.emotiyou.com/galerie/films/horreur/saw/201108060119CKK.gif[/IMG] Lets play a fun (read: cruel) game.

If the Redskins still had their second pick and were unable to find a trade partner to move back who would you want them to select?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1069014][IMG]http://www.emotiyou.com/galerie/films/horreur/saw/201108060119CKK.gif[/IMG] Lets play a fun (read: cruel) game.

If the Redskins still had their second pick and were unable to find a trade partner to move back who would you want them to select?[/quote]

If Clowney didn't go first, him. After that Greg Robinson, Jake Matthews, Khalil Mack, Anthony Barr, or Justin Gilbert.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1069014][IMG]http://www.emotiyou.com/galerie/films/horreur/saw/201108060119CKK.gif[/IMG] Lets play a fun (read: cruel) game.

If the Redskins still had their second pick and were unable to find a trade partner to move back who would you want them to select?[/quote]

Mack. No question. If Mack is taken, then Clowney.

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No one would take a QB?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1069014][IMG]http://www.emotiyou.com/galerie/films/horreur/saw/201108060119CKK.gif[/IMG] Lets play a fun (read: cruel) game.

If the Redskins still had their second pick and were unable to find a trade partner to move back who would you want them to select?[/quote]

Teddy Bridgewater, of course.

But if he were taken #1overall, it gets a lot tougher. I don't think Bortles, Manziel, or any other QB are worth that high of a pick, so that position is out of the picture. After Bridgewater, Greg Robinson is the next best prospect, but we already have Trent at LT. Khalil Mack is the 3rd best prospect, but then we already have Orakpo and Kerrigan at OLB. Probably would want to take either Robinson or Jadeveon Clowney. I'd be happy with just about any of those top prospects, though.

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Don't really think any of the top QBs are anywhere near the BPA. The right team with the right need and has convinced themselves one of the Manziel/Bridgewater/Carr/Bortles is going to be a star could make it happen. Not sure who'd that be though.

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If we hadn't made the desean move I'd seriously have considered Watkins. I hate taking WR so early but it's hard to justify some of the other top guys based on our current roster. My guess is they'd go T though and roll.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1069018]No one would take a QB?[/quote]

Sorry, I think I forgot to add that in this scenario everything is the same the lone exception being the price for the Rams #2 pick for RG3 back in 2012 was 2 first rounders instead of 3.

Come to think of it though in spite of Shanahan being a dirty word around here these days we do owe him a lot. He was the one that at least approved the decision to go up and get RG3, though its certainly is possible that it was his idea to begin with.

If you're a cynic you could also argue that his ego which convinced him he could get away with starting John Beck and Rex Grossman allowed us to get within striking distance of RG3.

And if you're a conspiracy theorist then the secret Illuminati/masononic [URL="http://news.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2012/09/13/jeff-fisher-mike-shanahan-agree-friendship-played-no-part-in-trade-redskins-rams/"]bond of Fischer and Shanahan[/URL] allowed the Redskins to get the RG3 pick instead of the Browns.

[quote=Lotus;1069016]Mack. No question. If Mack is taken, then Clowney.[/quote]

I figured most people would just have guessed Greg Robinson [OT AU]. Come to think of it through Mack [OLB Buf] would have been an intriguing pick. Of course the question at that point is where do you play him. On one hand you could argue he's the perfect replacement for Fletcher but then you'd be wasting his talent as a pass rusher playing him inside. Of course in the end that could easily be considered a good problem to have not to mention the depth at Tackle is much better than pass rusher.

Clowney [DE SC] though I don't like because, unlike Mack, you can't really play musical chairs with Clowney. I guess he could play DE though he doesn't really strike me as the JJ Watt type thats happy to work inside and find his way to the QB from there.

Personally though I think my pick if we still had #2 would be Matthews [OT A&M]. Not because I like him more than Robinson but I feel like down the line Robinson would be slightly more likely to want to test free agency in hopes of earning a LT spot and in turn the money that comes with it. Similar to [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9124413/branden-albert-wants-answers-kansas-city-chiefs"]Branden Albert in Kansas City[/URL]. At the very least I know Matthews was fine playing RT for 2 years while Joekel was on the left side.

Of course thats not to say that Matthews wouldn't also try to pull a Branden Albert in that situation but I'd feel a little more comfortable in our chances of keeping him long term.

You could also argue that since he grew up richer than....well mostly everyone, that he won't holdout for every last cent when his rookie contract is up. After all he went back for his senior year at A&M in spite of being a likely 1st round pick. Then again you could also argue that growing up he became, lets say accustomed, to the finer things in life and will squeeze his benefactors until the eagles on the back of their quarters scream.

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There's been talk about us taking a RB, Charles Sims or Marion Grice watched Utube on the both of them tough decision like Grice a little bit more than Sims but he has an injury background.

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I know the guy has problems but I like Colt Lyerla maybe a 6th rd pick on him.

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CB Bradley Roby arrested on suspicion of DUI. Maybe drops him further? He didn't have a good 2013.

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On 2nd look- the incident is nothing. He measured .008- well below the .08 legal limit.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1069261]There's been talk about us taking a RB, Charles Sims or Marion Grice watched Utube on the both of them tough decision like Grice a little bit more than Sims but he has an injury background.[/quote]


This is why trading down makes sense. If a great player at a position of need is available at #34, take him, otherwise trade down. There are plenty of good players in the 4th round, and later.

I like Sims a little more than Grice. Sims is rated as a 4th round pick, and Grice a 7th round pick.

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Any takers on CB Aaron Colvin from Oklahoma and what round? He tore his ACL in Senior Bowl practice. He didn't tear his MCL, which apparently makes a big difference.

There was at least one draft analyst that projected him to go late 1st round before injury. Would it make sense to take a chance on him if the Redskins don't draft a CB in 2nd or 3rd Round assuming he'd sit most or all of 2014 season?

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2nd: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
3rd: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford
4th: Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford
5th: De'Anthony Thomas, RB/WR/KR, Oregon
6th: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon
7th: Pat O'Donnell, P/KOs, Miami

[QUOTE=SirLK26;1069442]2nd: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

3rd: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford

4th: Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford

5th: De'Anthony Thomas, RB/WR/KR, Oregon

6th: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon

7th: Pat O'Donnell, P/KOs, Miami[/QUOTE]


Wow not a single o-lineman? Dont get me wrong, I like all those players but we need 2 starters and probably another for good measure up front.

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[quote=punch it in;1069453]Wow not a single o-lineman? Dont get me wrong, I like all those players but we need 2 starters and probably another for good measure up front.[/quote]

Yeah, but Verrett, Skov, Reynolds, and O'Donnell could all start right away. Lyerla could be a beast early if he would stay out of trouble, and Thomas would be a great addition to our offense, as well as the KR if Andre Roberts isn't it. If we managed to have this type of draft, I would s*** myself every time I thought of it until the season started.

RT is the biggest need along the O-line, but after the RTs rated as 2nd rounders(Moses, Kouandijo, Fleming, James, etc.), there's a big drop-off in talent, IMO. If Verrett is available at #34, he'll almost certainly be the best player available, so I'd take him there. In the 3rd, barring a fall of one of the previously mentioned RTs, Skov would also likely be better than any RT left, as well as the best player available. Ditto for Reynolds in the 4th. If we drafted 3 immediate starters in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, I wouldn't care at all if one of those wasn't an OL.

I'll be happy if we take an OL high, but I don't want to reach. I'm hoping that Leribeus at RG and either Compton or Polumbus at RT take a big enough step forward to claim the starting jobs without question. A lineup of Williams at LT, Lavuao at LG, Lichtensteiger at C, Leribeus at RG, and Compton at RT would make me quite optimistic. Like I said though, I'd be happy with an OL high.

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[quote=SirLK26;1069456][B]Yeah, but Verrett, Skov, Reynolds, and O'Donnell could all start right away. L[/B]yerla could be a beast early if he would stay out of trouble, and Thomas would be a great addition to our offense, as well as the KR if Andre Roberts isn't it. If we managed to have this type of draft, I would s*** myself every time I thought of it until the season started.

RT is the biggest need along the O-line, but after the RTs rated as 2nd rounders(Moses, Kouandijo, Fleming, James, etc.), there's a big drop-off in talent, IMO. If Verrett is available at #34, he'll almost certainly be the best player available, so I'd take him there. In the 3rd, barring a fall of one of the previously mentioned RTs, Skov would also likely be better than any RT left, as well as the best player available. Ditto for Reynolds in the 4th. If we drafted 3 immediate starters in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, I wouldn't care at all if one of those wasn't an OL.

I'll be happy if we take an OL high, but I don't want to reach. I'm hoping that Leribeus at RG and either Compton or Polumbus at RT take a big enough step forward to claim the starting jobs without question. A lineup of Williams at LT, Lavuao at LG, Lichtensteiger at C, Leribeus at RG, and Compton at RT would make me quite optimistic. Like I said though, I'd be happy with an OL high.[/quote]

So you are projecting four immediate starters and helpful contributions by other rookies from one draft which lacks a first-round pick?

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[quote=SirLK26;1069442]2nd: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
3rd: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford
4th: Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford
5th: De'Anthony Thomas, RB/WR/KR, Oregon
6th: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon
7th: Pat O'Donnell, P/KOs, Miami[/quote]

This doesn't look right. Not a single SMU player?!?!?!

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[quote=SirLK26;1069456]Yeah, but Verrett, Skov, Reynolds, and O'Donnell could all start right away. Lyerla could be a beast early if he would stay out of trouble, and Thomas would be a great addition to our offense, as well as the KR if Andre Roberts isn't it. If we managed to have this type of draft, I would s*** myself every time I thought of it until the season started.


I'll be happy if we take an OL high, but I don't want to reach. I'm hoping that Leribeus at RG and either Compton or Polumbus at RT take a big enough step forward to claim the starting jobs without question. A lineup of Williams at LT, Lavuao at LG, Lichtensteiger at C, Leribeus at RG, and Compton at RT would make me quite optimistic. Like I said though, I'd be happy with an OL high.[/quote]


Verrett is not going to beat out D Hall and Amerson. He could be very good in time, but there are several vets ahead of him now. Skov a starter ? Reynolds would probably play a lot, and could start by mid-season.

Lyerla has a drug problem... no thanks

Counting on 2 inexperienced players on the O line, is very risky.

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My dream draft scenario would be to deal Kirk for a 2nd rounder, trading out off the 34th spot to pick up an additional 3rd & 4th, and end with (2) 2nd, (2) 3rd, (2) 4th, (1) 5th, (1) 6th & (1) 7th...we could add more depth to the roster. I believe the fact we have the 34th pick a lot of 1st round talent will drop into the 2nd based on the possibility teams will make trades to get the QB's & WR's.

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[quote=Lotus;1069476]So you are projecting four immediate starters and helpful contributions by other rookies from one draft which lacks a first-round pick?[/quote]

Hey, I'm a Skins fan. We're delusional. :Smoker:

On a serious note, I would expect only Verrett and O'Donnell to start. Verrett is an elite talent, so it would be idiotic to not start him in the slot over Porter. And O'Donnell, being a punter, would also likely start.

I wouldn't expect Shayne Skov to start, but I would expect him to be in the mix at ILB. Same for Reynolds at FS; Clark is really the only FS we have and he's 34(35 now?). Surely Ed Reynolds, being the great tackler that he is, could contribute early. Colt Lyerla does have off-field issues, but he's a great receiving TE. If he stayed out of trouble, I'm 100% sure Gruden would find a way to get him and Reed on the field at the same time, even early in the season. De'Anthony Thomas would surely find the field some way as well.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1069477]This doesn't look right. Not a single SMU player?!?!?![/quote]

Nope, not a single one. Ole Shanny would disapprove.

But you don't see SFRedskins disapproving of my mock. No, sir. With 4 West Coast players being drafted, I'll bet he took one look and got a massive hard on. If I would have just had, say, Cameron Fleming instead of Verrett, he would've gizzed in his pants. :D

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I guess Teddy doesn't like what he's been hearing lately.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10851039/teddy-bridgewater-5m-loss-value-policy]Teddy Bridgewater has $5M loss-of-value policy - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SirLK26;1069498]Hey, I'm a Skins fan. We're delusional. :Smoker:

On a serious note, I would expect only Verrett and O'Donnell to start. Verrett is an elite talent, so it would be idiotic to not start him in the slot over Porter. And O'Donnell, being a punter, would also likely start.

[/quote]


start Verrett in the slot ? Are the Redskins going to start 12 players on defense ?............ it might help

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[quote=Irrefutable;1069511]start Verrett in the slot ? Are the Redskins going to start 12 players on defense ?............ it might help[/quote]

Whatever. Let me put it this way: Verrett would cover the slot receiver when offenses came out in 3 WR sets. Or another way: Verrett would be the 3rd corner in nickel and dime packages. Basically, he would take over Tracy Porter's projected role. While it wouldn't technically be a starting spot, for all practical purposes it would be. Satisfied, Refutable?

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ILB - replace Fletcher, straight up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1069018]No one would take a QB?[/quote]

If Cousins is dealt then maybe in the later rounds. David Fales may be the sleeper of the draft. I watched a few of their games because I either bet for or against San Jose. Kid looks like a complete QB that can make all the throws, is dead accurate and gets the ball out on time. My only concern is there is 0 defense in the Moutain West.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1069507]I guess Teddy doesn't like what he's been hearing lately.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10851039/teddy-bridgewater-5m-loss-value-policy"]Teddy Bridgewater has $5M loss-of-value policy - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Can't believe Bridgewater is falling simply because of a bad pro day where he didn't wear gloves. He's been one of the best players in college ball the last two years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1069535]Can't believe Bridgewater is falling simply because of a bad pro day where he didn't wear gloves. He's been one of the best players in college ball the last two years.[/quote]

Personally I like Johnny football better than Bridgfalter aka Akili Smith Jr.

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Would you rather have Jace Amaro in the 2nd or Austin Seferain-Jenkins in the 3rd?

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1069536]Personally I like Johnny football better than Bridgfalter aka Akili Smith Jr.[/QUOTE]


Smith was a huge risk because he only really played a handful of games in division 1. Bridgwater has proven himself.
I like Manziel better too though.