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[quote=Skinzman;1069386]The adjustment that Green Bay made worked because we didnt adjust with it. We kept our DB's back giving those passes up. Anyone could have completed those passes with the lack of defense adjustment, throw in that it was Aaron Rodgers, and that spells serious trouble.

If what people were saying about Shanny medling with the defense and dictating playing soft in the secondary, there would be the problem. If it wasnt Shanny, then keeping Haslett was a mistake. It was a simple adjustment to make, we just never made it. Hard to fault the secondary for everything if they are being put in positions to fail and being asked to succeed anyways. Not saying we have a great secondary by any means, but adjusting to simple things like that is the difference between average and terrible.[/quote]

So do you think it was more the coach's fault (Shanahan) rather than the players' fault?

And as a part of that - does it say anything that they were attempting to upgrade the secondary in Free Agency?

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[quote=warriorzpath;1069387]So do you think it was more the coach's fault (Shanahan) rather than the players' fault?

And as a part of that - does it say anything that they were attempting to upgrade the secondary in Free Agency?[/quote]

It was definitely a coaches fault in the Green Bay game. Not sure which one, since I dont know if what was reported about Shanny dictating to Haslett how to play defense is true or not. But you still, as a coach, have to put players in a position to succeed.

As for upgrading the secondary, I think that was a no brainer. We dont have an elite secondary by any means. They still may have failed against Green Bay. But you have to get them the right calls and adjustments, even with a poor secondary. If they continue to fail with those, then its a personnel problem. Ours came across to me as both a personnel problem and a coaching problem compounding the issue. Ultimately giving us the horrible crap we had for the past few years. Easy adjustments werent being made for whatever reason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1069347]I'm fine with it in May, but make it the first weekend[/quote]

And compete with the Kentucky Derby? Can you drink mint juleps during the draft?

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What about failing to adjust to giving up pressure up the middle on offense in the second half of games?!

[QUOTE=Lotus;1069393]And compete with the Kentucky Derby? Can you drink mint juleps during the draft?[/QUOTE]


Wtf is a mint julep? All the alcohol and bad things ive done to my body in my life and ive never crossed ones path?

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[quote=punch it in;1069399]Wtf is a mint julep? All the alcohol and bad things ive done to my body in my life and ive never crossed ones path?[/quote]

Classic southern drink

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[quote=Lotus;1069393]And compete with the Kentucky Derby? Can you drink mint juleps during the draft?[/quote]

Well that's a good point

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1069402]Classic southern drink[/QUOTE]


I was being alittle sarcastic ive heard of one but ive never had one. Had to google it. Lol. Bourbon and spearmint? Ill just have a julip. Hah.

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[quote=punch it in;1069405]I was being alittle sarcastic ive heard of one but ive never had one. Had to google it. Lol. Bourbon and spearmint? Ill just have a julip. Hah.[/quote]

Great drink but if your friend calls all the local grocery stores for mint, buys the entire stock of the one that has the most, and sticks it all in a handle of Makers Mark DON'T DRINK IT.

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Got my perfect draft set now.

[QUOTE=ICantGoAnother20yrsOfCrap;1069410]Great drink but if your friend calls all the local grocery stores for mint, buys the entire stock of the one that has the most, and sticks it all in a handle of Makers Mark DON'T DRINK IT.[/QUOTE]


Ill try and remember that!

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I think if the Redskins came away with Moses [OT UVA] in the second round and David Yankey [OG Stanford] in the third round my Hypothalamus would go into overdrive resulting in a most fatal and acute influx of Dopamine.
[QUOTE]In the simplest of terms, dopamine is a neurotransmitter in the brain that when released, makes you feel good. Eating triggers the release of dopamine, as does sexual activity and many other natural and rewarding activities, such as being in a loving relationship. However many habits and addictions that are not so healthy, also trigger the release of dopamine. Nicotine, cocaine and caffeine all influence dopamine levels and consequently have an impact on our mood.
[/QUOTE]

I do ask that if this scenario should come to pass that the forum uses [URL="http://youtu.be/qGKrc3A6HHM"]this as the David Yankey theme song[/URL].

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1st choice at #34- Jason Verrett. Too skillful. Shutdown potential. Should start early to mid-season.

2nd choice at #34- Safety Deone Bucannon. Active and always around the ball. Very instinctive in coverage and against the run. Strong tackler. Everything you want in a safety and everything the Redskins were missing last year. Would be a perfect fit that would turn a weakness into a strength.

I will be pissed if the Redskins pass on these players for a guy with just size, speed, and/or potential. We have enough Amersons, Leribuses, Phillip Thomases, and Rambos. F*ck potential, Verrett and Bucannon can play now.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1069589]1st choice at #34- Jason Verrett. Too skillful. Shutdown potential. Should start early to mid-season.

2nd choice at #34- Safety Deone Bucannon. Active and always around the ball. Very instinctive in coverage and against the run. Strong tackler. Everything you want in a safety and everything the Redskins were missing last year. Would be a perfect fit that would turn a weakness into a strength.

I will be pissed if the Redskins pass on these players for a guy with just size, speed, and/or potential. [B]We have enough Amersons, Leribuses, Phillip Thomases, and Rambos.[/B] F*ck potential, Verrett and Bucannon can play now.[/quote]

I think you are underestimating some of these current players.

I felt that Amerson had a decent rookie season. He should make big strides in his second year.

Phillip Thomas was pencilled in as a starter at safety until he was injured last preseason. I'm still high on him and I think he'll deliver on his promise this season.

I've criticized Leribeus as much as anyone about his lack of conditioning which seems to be due to a lack of motivation. Nevertheless, in the small sample of playing time he's had, LeRibeus looks to me to be a talented player. Apparently, he is in better shape this year, so I think he has a chance to be a good player.

Rambo has a long way to go to be an NFL safety. We'll see what happens.

Verrett and Buchanan may be better players than the current players you mentioned but we don't know that yet. There are no sure things in NFL drafting, so they are both only prospects with potential, as well.

Personally, I would much rather see the Skins pick an OT in the second round than a DB. I think that protecting RGIII better should be the top priority.

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2 things that would make me extremely happy in regards to the draft, we are able to trade down a couple spots and get some extra picks and move Cousins for a 3rd round pick.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1069594]I think you are underestimating some of these current players.

I felt that Amerson had a decent rookie season. He should make big strides in his second year.

Phillip Thomas was pencilled in as a starter at safety until he was injured last preseason. I'm still high on him and I think he'll deliver on his promise this season.

I've criticized Leribeus as much as anyone about his lack of conditioning which seems to be due to a lack of motivation. Nevertheless, in the small sample of playing time he's had, LeRibeus looks to me to be a talented player. Apparently, he is in better shape this year, so I think he has a chance to be a good player.

Rambo has a long way to go to be an NFL safety. We'll see what happens.

Verrett and Buchanan may be better players than the current players you mentioned but we don't know that yet. There are no sure things in NFL drafting, so they are both only prospects with potential, as well.

Personally, I would much rather see the Skins pick an OT in the second round than a DB. I think that protecting RGIII better should be the top priority.[/quote]

Amerson has the potential to be our best player on defense in a couple of years

I like Thomas quite a bit, but he's coming off a very serious injury

Fingers crossed on LeRibeus

Rambo may simply be destined to be a backup, and if that's the case then he has to learn to play special teams. Because backup defensive backs who don't play special teams hardly exist

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1069594]I think you are underestimating some of these current players.



I felt that Amerson had a decent rookie season. He should make big strides in his second year.



Phillip Thomas was pencilled in as a starter at safety until he was injured last preseason. I'm still high on him and I think he'll deliver on his promise this season.



I've criticized Leribeus as much as anyone about his lack of conditioning which seems to be due to a lack of motivation. Nevertheless, in the small sample of playing time he's had, LeRibeus looks to me to be a talented player. Apparently, he is in better shape this year, so I think he has a chance to be a good player.



Rambo has a long way to go to be an NFL safety. We'll see what happens.



Verrett and Buchanan may be better players than the current players you mentioned but we don't know that yet. There are no sure things in NFL drafting, so they are both only prospects with potential, as well.



Personally, I would much rather see the Skins pick an OT in the second round than a DB. I think that protecting RGIII better should be the top priority.[/QUOTE]


This. Lets protect our third year qb before we start replacing our second year db's. Please.

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[quote=punch it in;1069602]This. Lets protect our third year qb before we start replacing our second year db's. Please.[/quote]

What if Verrett or Bucannon is available at #34, while the best OT, OG, and C available are Billy Turner, Gabe Jackson, and Marcus Martin? Are you really going to pass up one of those two elite prospects for an O-lineman who is a possible upgrade, but a lesser talent? Even if Moses or Bitonio are available, neither are a talent of Bucannon or especially Verrett's caliber. Now, if Su'a-Filo falls, the scenario gets tougher...

Hoping for a run of QBs in the 1st so we can even choose from prospects like Verrett. If Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, Carr, and hopefully another QB go in the 1st or very early second(like #34), we'll have some great players available to choose from. Perhaps if Carr or some QB Cleveland likes is available at #34, we can trade down 1 spot and get another pick.

[QUOTE=SirLK26;1069628]What if Verrett or Bucannon is available at #34, while the best OT, OG, and C available are Billy Turner, Gabe Jackson, and Marcus Martin? Are you really going to pass up one of those two elite prospects for an O-lineman who is a possible upgrade, but a lesser talent? Even if Moses or Bitonio are available, neither are a talent of Bucannon or especially Verrett's caliber. Now, if Su'a-Filo falls, the scenario gets tougher...



Hoping for a run of QBs in the 1st so we can even choose from prospects like Verrett. If Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, Carr, and hopefully another QB go in the 1st or very early second(like #34), we'll have some great players available to choose from. Perhaps if Carr or some QB Cleveland likes is available at #34, we can trade down 1 spot and get another pick.[/QUOTE]


Well you are still going on the premise that Amerson and Thomas are busts of some sort. Also how many "elite prospects" have we seen have their most elite moments before they ever put on an nfl uniform? Look I am not doubting that their might be a better prospect available in the 2nd or 3rd round than one of the tackles or gaurds available. I do know that I cannot sit back and watch Tyler Polumbus let RG3 get killed for another year.

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[quote=punch it in;1069631]Well you are still going on the premise that Amerson and Thomas are busts of some sort. Also how many "elite prospects" have we seen have their most elite moments before they ever put on an nfl uniform? Look I am not doubting that their might be a better prospect available in the 2nd or 3rd round than one of the tackles or gaurds available. I do know that I cannot sit back and watch Tyler Polumbus let RG3 get killed for another year.[/quote]

Actually, I think Amerson's a stud in the making. Based on last year, I think he could easily be a top 10 corner in the league. And I loved him coming out as well; in January of 2013, my first month on this site, there was a thread about trading for Revis to which I replied something to the tune of, "Revis would be nice, but he isn't really a viable option. How about drafting David Amerson from NC State?" But that doesn't mean I don't want Verrett as well; he's an ideal fit for a slot corner in the NFL. And good corners are like good pass-rushers; you can't have too many.

On Thomas, I loved him coming out as well. I made a pre-draft post about him too, something like, "Whoever gets Phillip Thomas is one lucky team." And with Bruce Allen saying that they expected Thomas to be a starter last year before he got hurt, I still have hopes for him. But Bucannon's a superior talent and doesn't have the injury issues.

BTW, it's safe to say that after last year's draft, I was ecstatic. Like a kid who had Christmas come early. :joecool:

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[quote=SirLK26;1069628]What if Verrett or Bucannon is available at #34, while the best OT, OG, and C available are Billy Turner, Gabe Jackson, and Marcus Martin? Are you really going to pass up one of those two elite prospects for an O-lineman who is a possible upgrade, but a lesser talent? Even if Moses or Bitonio are available, neither are a talent of Bucannon or especially Verrett's caliber. Now, if Su'a-Filo falls, the scenario gets tougher...

Hoping for a run of QBs in the 1st so we can even choose from prospects like Verrett. If Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, Carr, and hopefully another QB go in the 1st or very early second(like #34), we'll have some great players available to choose from. Perhaps if Carr or some QB Cleveland likes is available at #34, we can trade down 1 spot and get another pick.[/quote]

The team's draft board will certainly be a factor; however, we all know that teams rank players differently for a number of reasons. Actually, everybody does.

For example, here's where CBS Sports rates some of the players you mentioned:

Verrett 26
Sua-Filo 30
Moses 37
Bitonio 41
Bucannon 65

If the Redskins' rankings were the the same as the CBS Sports rankings, then the Skins might be inclined to take either Moses or Bitonio at #34 with the idea that Bucannon might be available to them in the third round.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1069636]The team's draft board will certainly be a factor; however; we all know that team rate players differently for a number of reasons. Actually, everybody does.

For example, here's where CBS Sports rates some of the players you mentioned:

Verrett 26
Sua-Filo 30
Moses 37
Bitonio 41
Bucannon 65

If the Redskins' rankings were the the same as the CBS Sports rankings, then the Skins might be inclined to take either Moses or Bitonio at #34 with the idea that Bucannon might be available to them in the third round.[/quote]

True. Last year, I thought both Amerson and Thomas were 2nd rounders. And then we ended up getting Amerson in the 2nd and Thomas in the 4th.

But if the Redskins board looks like CBS Sports', I might give up football. Bucannon is a borderline 1st round selection; absolutely no way he's available in the 3rd. I personally think he's better than Pryor and Clinton-Dix; the best safety available, in fact. But that's not the point of your post. I agree with you.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1069599]Amerson has the potential to be our best player on defense in a couple of years

I like Thomas quite a bit, but he's coming off a very serious injury

Fingers crossed on LeRibeus

Rambo may simply be destined to be a backup, and if that's the case then he has to learn to play special teams. Because backup defensive backs who don't play special teams hardly exist[/quote]

I agree people somehow forget most top players in the league didn't come in and dominate year one. Amerson has that potential and showed a lot of promise his first year.

As for Rambo, didn't look to good out there. However, if he can develop and play special teams like you said I have no problem with him as a backup. Year 1 was way too much for him but we'll see how he adjusts.

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Does anybody like Dee Ford out of Auburn as a 3-4 OLB pass rusher? I might if he falls to us.

Right now my preferences for our first pick:

1. Jimmie Ward
2. Dee Ford
3. Morgan Moses

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Yet another great article by Rich Tandler from yesterday:

"The Redskins could use an infusion of young talent from next month’s NFL draft. The problem is that that have only six picks and they are missing a first rounder. They could improve their chances of landing good contributors and perhaps even a star player or two by acquiring more draft picks.

One way is to trade away players on the roster but the Redskins are not an exceptionally deep team (that’s why they need help from the draft) and the chances of anyone coming up with an offer for any player besides Kirk Cousins are slim. And the backup QB might not be going anywhere.

The other option is to trade down. Let’s take a look at what the Redskins might be able to get in a swap down from their initial spot, No. 34 overall, by using the draft value trade chart. The chart is just a guide but it gives us a ballpark idea of what the picks are worth.

Right now, the only team with an extra second-round pick is the 49ers, who hold overall picks 56 and 61. The could package those picks to move up to No. 34 and they might ask for the Redskins’ fifth-round pick to even things out. The issue here is that the Redskins would not be adding to their quantity of picks but the quality would improve.

The Redskins could pick up an additional pick around the middle of the third round by moving back to the latter stages of the second round. A move back of about 20 spots to 53rd overall is worth a mid-third-round pick.

To pick up a fourth they would need to move back about 10 spots, moving back five or six spots is worth a fifth.

Trading down in the third or fourth is a possibility but the trade value chart tells you that those moves yield only late-round picks. Still, the more picks you have the better chance there is of finding an Alfred Morris sometime on Saturday.

Moving up [I](My note: I think he meant to write "down" here)[/I] is not as simple as many fans may make it out to be. The Redskins would have to be on the clock with multiple options as to two to select. A team behind them would want to have a particular player who is on the board badly enough to give up picks in what has been called the deepest draft in years."

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My top choices:

Jace Amaro TE, Texas Tech
Darqueze Dennard CB, Michigan State
Stephon Tuitt DE, Notre Dame
Louis Nix III NT, Notre Dame
Jimmie Ward FS, Northern Illinois

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Mine are

1. CYRUS KOUANDJIO, OT, ALABAMA
2. J . Verrett, CB , TCU
3. D. LAWRENCE, OLB, BOISE

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Here are mine:

1. Ryan Shazier, ILB, Ohio
2. Morgan Moses, OT, UVA
3. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois
4. Louis Nix III, NT, Notre Dame
5. Cyrus Kuoandjio, OT, Alabama

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Mine, in no particular order.

Jason Verrett, Morgan Moses, Kyle Fuller, Deone Bucannon, Jace Amaro, Stephen Tuitt, Jimmie Ward, Ryan Shazier

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[quote=Chico23231;1069714]Does anybody like Dee Ford out of Auburn as a 3-4 OLB pass rusher? I might if he falls to us.

Right now my preferences for our first pick:

1. Jimmie Ward
2. Dee Ford
3. Morgan Moses[/quote]

I like Dee Ford but if it were me instead I'd go with Ward, Moses, Amaro, or Nix.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1069741]My top choices:

Jace Amaro TE, Texas Tech
Darqueze Dennard CB, Michigan State
Stephon Tuitt DE, Notre Dame
Louis Nix III NT, Notre Dame
Jimmie Ward FS, Northern Illinois[/quote]


good list

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Ward, Verrett, Fuller, or Shazier if we don't trade down.

2nd - moses or verrett
3rd - jimmy ward if we go with Moses and Antonio Richardson if we go with Verrett
4th -Shayne Skov
5th - Seantrel Hendersen - OT - Miami
6th - Pat Odonnell - P - Miami.

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[quote=punch it in;1069811]2nd - moses or verrett
3rd - jimmy ward if we go with Moses and Antonio Richardson if we go with Verrett
4th -Shayne Skov
5th - Seantrel Hendersen - OT - Miami
6th - Pat Odonnell - P - Miami.[/quote]

Jimmy Ward and Antonio Richardson will be there in the third?

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I like Fuller.

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[quote=Lotus;1069812]Jimmy Ward and Antonio Richardson will be there in the third?[/quote]

Antonio Richardson will be available at the top of the 3rd, I think. But Jimmie Ward won't last that long. Perhaps if Clinton-Dix and/or Pryor fall out of the 1st round, which is a definite possibility IMO, it could happen.

I would love to draft Richardson in the 3rd. 6-6', 336, with great athleticism can always be appreciated. Plus, he has huge upside.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1069812]Jimmy Ward and Antonio Richardson will be there in the third?[/QUOTE]


Ward is a reach, so I will go with Dion Bailey out of USC.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1069814]I like Fuller.[/quote]

Same, but right now his stock has been on the rise and some predict he could be picked in the low 20s. I'm hoping one of the QB's falls to us at the beginning of the second round and we can use that to trade down and get an extra 3rd.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;1069817]Same, but right now his stock has been on the rise and some predict he could be picked in the low 20s. I'm hoping one of the QB's falls to us at the beginning of the second round and we can use that to trade down and get an extra 3rd.[/quote]


Verette got a lil bit of b**ch in him.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1069589]1st choice at #34- Jason Verrett. Too skillful. Shutdown potential. Should start early to mid-season.

2nd choice at #34- [B]Safety Deone Bucannon.[/B] Active and always around the ball. Very instinctive in coverage and against the run. Strong tackler. Everything you want in a safety and everything the Redskins were missing last year. Would be a perfect fit that would turn a weakness into a strength.

I will be pissed if the Redskins pass on these players for a guy with just size, speed, and/or potential. We have enough Amersons, Leribuses, Phillip Thomases, and Rambos. F*ck potential, Verrett and Bucannon can play now.[/quote]

If he is still around at 34 pick that guy and be done with it.