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You know that you can get DUI from drinking less than 2 beers, right? Some of you guys never drank a beer or smoked a joint? This is a ridiculous argument, are you guys Mormon? Anyone can get a DUI if you encounter a cop like Goat or BHA :)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053631]I just find it funny that you think a convicted drunk driver with no nfl head coaching experience is a better coach for this team than mike shanahan. [B]the blind faith you and others here put in these unproven guys[/B] is far stronger than the faith of those nuttjobs who believe the universe is 6000 years old. Mike shanahan was the best thing to happen to this franchise since Snyder owned the team and half of you are cheering that he's gone. Stupid, stupid stupid.[/quote]

I don't see people here putting blind faith in unproven guys. But some people do have reasoned hope. Joe Gibbs was once an unproven HC candidate, after all.

Insisting that our HC have previous NFL HC experience is a Vinny move.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053631]I just find it funny that you think a convicted drunk driver with no nfl head coaching experience is a better coach for this team than mike shanahan. the blind faith you and others here put in these unproven guys is far stronger than the faith of those nuttjobs who believe the universe is 6000 years old. Mike shanahan was the best thing to happen to this franchise since Snyder owned the team and half of you are cheering that he's gone. Stupid, stupid stupid.[/quote]

How long have you been on bath salts?

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[quote=mbedner3420;1053634]The dude just went 3-13. There is no justifiable excuse to keep him when he does that in year 4.[/quote]

And he was 10-6 and took us to the playoffs in year 3. How quickly you forget. Change is only good if you're upgrading to something better, change is just change if you're rolling the dice.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1053635]You know that you can get DUI from drinking less than 2 beers, right? Some of you guys never drank a beer or smoked a joint? This is a ridiculous argument, are you guys Mormon? Anyone can get a DUI if you encounter a cop like Goat or BHA :)[/quote]

I mean sometimes a bunch of buddies even get drunk on a boat and capsize it, but whatever

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[quote=Lotus;1053636]I don't see people here putting blind faith in unproven guys. But some people do have reasoned hope. Joe Gibbs was once an unproven HC candidate, after all.

Insisting that our HC have previous NFL HC experience is a Vinny move.[/quote]

For every joe Gibbs there are 10 Jim zorns.

Doesn't matter who the coach is , if you don't have talent u don't win. We need players bad

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053640]For every joe Gibbs there are 10 Jim zorns.[/quote]

That may be true. But to rule out unproven coaches is to lose the Joe Gibbs hidden in the mix.

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It's a principle thing IMO and again core to the idea of mentoring a bunch of young guys. Personally I'm super liberal, believe pot should be legal, but drunk driving destroys innocent lives every day. And as a wealthy coach there's no excuse, have a limo drive you around for fuck sakes. Just no excuse for it IMO.

Gruden looks like a heavy drinker too. Puffy face gives it away. And then you add the pressure he'll face in DC.

I liked hearing Caldwell watched all RG's games prior to the interview. He sounds like a solid guy all around.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053631]I just find it funny that you think a convicted drunk driver with no nfl head coaching experience is a better coach for this team than mike shanahan. the blind faith you and others here put in these unproven guys is far stronger than the faith of those nuttjobs who believe the universe is 6000 years old. [B]Mike shanahan was the best thing to happen to this franchise[/B] since Snyder owned the team and half of you are cheering that he's gone. Stupid, stupid stupid.[/quote]

You just lost all future credibility with that one statement.

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All successful franchises have a thing in common as we once did:

A great owner, GM and coach.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053638]And he was 10-6 and took us to the playoffs in year 3. How quickly you forget. Change is only good if you're upgrading to something better, change is just change if you're rolling the dice.[/quote]

Based on an improbable run. Prior to that he went 5-11 and 6-10. Seems to me he has a longer track record of being crappy. In the end, it doesn't matter. The guy is gone. Move on.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1053635]You know that you can get DUI from drinking less than 2 beers, right? Some of you guys never drank a beer or smoked a joint? This is a ridiculous argument, are you guys Mormon? Anyone can get a DUI if you encounter a cop like Goat or BHA :)[/quote]

No, you can't you piece of crap. That's bullshit alcoholics say to justify their behavior. My grandparents and best friend were all killed by drunk drivers. It's nothing to joke about. F*ck you.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1053639]I mean sometimes a bunch of buddies even get drunk on a boat and capsize it, but whatever[/quote]

Good memory sir. I was young, dumb and not responsible to anyone but myself. But whatevs. I'll take Gruden over the Shanny show.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1053646]Based on an improbable run. Prior to that he went 5-11 and 6-10. Seems to me he has a longer track record of being crappy. In the end, it doesn't matter. The guy is gone. Move on.[/quote]

He inherited a shitfest from cerrato. 90 percent of the guys on the roster she shanahan took over WERENT IN THE LEAGUE two years later. Then the second two years he had to deal with the salary cap penalty. Snyder promised him 5 years. I guarantee if he had stayed we would have been dominant in 2014 and beyond when he'd finally have the cap space to actually improve the roster.

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[quote=The Goat;1053643]It's a principle thing IMO and again core to the idea of mentoring a bunch of young guys. Personally I'm super liberal, believe pot should be legal, but drunk driving destroys innocent lives every day. And as a wealthy coach there's no excuse, have a limo drive you around for fuck sakes. Just no excuse for it IMO.

Gruden looks like a heavy drinker too. Puffy face gives it away. And then you add the pressure he'll face in DC.

I liked hearing Caldwell watched all RG's games prior to the interview. He sounds like a solid guy all around.[/quote]

How much money do you think an AFL coach makes?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053647][B]No, you can't you piece of crap.[/B] That's bullshit alcoholics say to justify their behavior. My grandparents and best friend were all killed by drunk drivers. It's nothing to joke about. F*ck you.[/quote]

I'm sorry for your loss. But I think What SF was getting at is that, depending on your body weight and tolerance you can get a DUI on just a few drinks.

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Just to be clear, just because people may like the prospect of a HC jay gruden, that doesn't mean they support or condone drinking and driving. My guess is, he likely learned from his mistake and corrected his actions.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053647]No, you can't you piece of crap. That's bullshit alcoholics say to justify their behavior. My grandparents and best friend were all killed by drunk drivers. It's nothing to joke about. F*ck you.[/quote]

Sorry for what happened to your family and friend. But you're not the only one to have suffered at the hand of a drunk driver. I don't believe anyone who's ever had a drink hasn't driven legally drunk at least once. Don't take out your frustrations on SF

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1053647]No, you can't you piece of crap. That's bullshit alcoholics say to justify their behavior. My grandparents and best friend were all killed by drunk drivers. It's nothing to joke about. F*ck you.[/quote]

Wow!! Sorry to hear about your GP's and friend, it's still no reason to verbally attack people.

lol at this thread

unreal

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[quote=mbedner3420;1053652]just to be clear, just because people may like the prospect of a hc jay gruden, that doesn't mean they support or condone drinking and driving. My guess is, he likely learned from his mistake and corrected his actions.[/quote]

thank you!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1053650]How much money do you think an AFL coach makes?[/quote]

Enough to call a cab ;)

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Maybe the Pope knows a thing or two about coaching football. Has there been any sightings of Redskins 1 in Rome?

I mean you would probably have to add in a clause about the wine and all...

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[quote=Mattyk;1053655]lol at this thread

unreal[/quote]

Do we put threads in thread hell anymore? When this one gets locked, I wanna nominate it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1053661]Do we put threads in thread hell anymore? When this one gets locked, I wanna nominate it.[/quote]

This is gonna get locked soon. I just want to shatter a few more perceptions

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1053661]Do we put threads in thread hell anymore? When this one gets locked, I wanna nominate it.[/quote]

For real. Forget who's gonna coach the team, we need Dr. Phil up in this bitch!

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[quote=The Goat;1053658]Enough to call a cab ;)[/quote]

Touche. Still find it ridiculous you think that makes him unqualified

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I apologize if SF felt like that was an attack, but drinking in driving is not a joke. Regarding gruden, he and wisenhut are my personal favorites at this point. I just feel like his DUI should be considered when evaluating his candidacy.

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Honestly the more I think about it, the more I would prefer a offensive minded coach. Has there been any rumblings about someone like Pep Hamilton coming in to mentor Rg3?

Edit: Why am I always surprised when I look in a thread and it's never about what the title would indicate?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1053665]Touche. Still find it ridiculous you think that makes him unqualified[/quote]

A matter of principle. Same applies to Harbaugh, and I think the situation with Aldon Smith makes it clearer. Smith gets a DUI and Harbough can't really say anything other than it made him a better person when he did it. And I'm not kidding when I say Jay looks like a hard drinker. Kept wondering why his face is so puffy when he's not a fat guy. Coming from a fam of hard alcoholics that face is unmistakable.

But I don't think Gruden is a good candidate regardless. Several reasons. Still nothing on offense that's impressive (aside from an improvement over the Shanahans). No HC experience in the NFL, especially in a major market. It looks like a "fixed" hire with the Jay to Jon to Bruce connection.

Whisenhunt and Caldwell are better on the offensive side. Williams and Zimmer on the defensive side.

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[quote=The Goat;1053669]A matter of principle. Same applies to Harbaugh, and I think the situation with Aldon Smith makes it clearer. Smith gets a DUI and Harbough can't really say anything other than it made him a better person when he did it. And I'm not kidding when I say Jay looks like a hard drinker. Kept wondering why his face is so puffy when he's not a fat guy. Coming from a fam of hard alcoholics that face is unmistakable.

But I don't think Gruden is a good candidate regardless. Several reasons. Still nothing on offense that's impressive (aside from an improvement over the Shanahans). No HC experience in the NFL, especially in a major market. It looks like a "fixed" hire with the Jay to Jon to Bruce connection.

Whisenhunt and Caldwell are better on the offensive side. Williams and Zimmer on the defensive side.[/quote]

But you'd want Jon Gruden?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1053671]But you'd want Jon Gruden?[/quote]

I don't think his example with a DUI is any better but I wondered if he's part of a fallback plan, asked earlier?

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[quote=The Goat;1053673]I don't think his example with a DUI is any better but I wondered if he's part of a fallback plan, asked earlier?[/quote]

He's not. So let me get this straight. You don't like Jay because he hasn't been an HC in a major market and he was arrested once for drunk driving, but you're hoping hiring him must mean a more direct path to Jon, who was also once arrested?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1053674]He's not. So let me get this straight. You don't like Jay because he hasn't been an HC in a major market and he was arrested once for drunk driving, but you're hoping hiring him must mean a more direct path to Jon, who was also once arrested?[/quote]

I'm saying if the choice was limited to Grudens, I'd prefer Jon over Jay. Honestly I'd forgot Jon also had the DUI. If I remember right now it was one of the years Denver won a SB, something in an article I'd read mentioned both things.

But no, I dot want anyone named Gruden here. My paradigm based on what's available is:

Whisenhunt HC and whoever he picks for OC. GWilliams as DC and asst head coach. But I have no idea if Whisenhint would go for it.

Next option, replace Whisenhunt with Caldwell. Next, Williams HC. Last, Zimmer HC. I think every one of those guys has earned it far and above Jay Gruden, both on paper and on the field, leaving the potential for alcoholism aside.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/05/jay-gruden-mike-zimmer-are-now-free-to-interview/]Jay Gruden, Mike Zimmer are now free to interview | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Article and comments say a ton. I like Zimmer. A lot. The only reason Gruden is getting more attention is the name. Haven't we seen enough of the nepotism curse already? I hope through the interview process BA and/or Dan see Gruden is a bad choice.

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[url=http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1911951-jay-gruden-bengals-gameplan-deserves-blame-for-cincinnatis-early-playoff-exit]Jay Gruden, Bengals Game Plan Deserve Blame for Cincinnati's Early Playoff Exit | Bleacher Report[/url]

Giving up on the running game and losing the lead in the 2nd half...sounds all too familiar.

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I think Zimmer and Jay Gruden would both make fine coaches. My bigger concern is the staffs they would put together

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[quote=SmootSmack;1053684]I think Zimmer and Jay Gruden would both make fine coaches. My bigger concern is the staffs they would put together[/quote]

I have wanted Zimmer dating back to our last coaching search. Do you think coaching under Marvin Lewis who is a defense oriented guy holds him back at all?

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[quote=cdskins26;1053697]I have wanted Zimmer dating back to our last coaching search. Do you think coaching under Marvin Lewis who is a defense oriented guy holds him back at all?[/quote]

I don't know. I think Lewis lets Zimmer do his thing, as opposed to Carolina where most believe Rivera has his hands all over the defense so you wonder how much McDermott really contributes