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I refuse to give carroll credit. He won a division championship with parcells team before he let that team go to shit. He cheated at usc and jumped ship. And now because of his stadiium gets homefield advantage thruout the playoffs. Sanfran would have beat them at home. I think the denver broncos along with the entire afc would have been outclassed by a handful of nfc teams tonite. I give full credit to the seattle gm for bringing in these players. But most importantly i cannot stand him. Lol thats my take and im sticking to it.

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Seahawks are built the right way, but to listen to ESPN guys say there D will be good for the next 7 years is a joke. They are all going to want to be paid, can't keep everyone the test to greatness is if they can get guys to fill into spots when guys leave.

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[quote=punch it in;1058512]I refuse to give carroll credit. He won a division championship with parcells team before he let that team go to shit. He cheated at usc and jumped ship. And now because of his stadiium gets homefield advantage thruout the playoffs. Sanfran would have beat them at home. I think the denver broncos along with the entire afc would have been outclassed by a handful of nfc teams tonite. I give full credit to the seattle gm for bringing in these players. But most importantly i cannot stand him. Lol thats my take and im sticking to it.[/quote]

Yea he just won a superbowl where he was the main guy responsible for bringing in a lot of those players. They were tied for the best road record in the NFL this past year. San Fran had a chance to get homefield, but they lost important games they needed to win... two of them at home.

Seattle won it and Carroll did an outstanding coaching job since he got there. If only he had signed with Washington instead of the immortal Mike.

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[quote=redskins5044;1058513]Seahawks are built the right way, but to listen to ESPN guys say there D will be good for the next 7 years is a joke. They are all going to want to be paid, can't keep everyone the test to greatness is if they can get guys to fill into spots when guys leave.[/quote]I'm curious when some of Seatle's star players are up for free agency. I'm assuming that most of this team will be intact next year, but after that, I believe Okung, Wilson, Sherman, and possibly others will be in line for BIG salary increases. Give Schneider and Carroll credit - they've built this team the right way, through shrewd drafting and a few excellent FA signings.

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[QUOTE=donofriose;1058514]Yea he just won a superbowl where he was the main guy responsible for bringing in a lot of those players. They were tied for the best road record in the NFL this past year. San Fran had a chance to get homefield, but they lost important games they needed to win... two of them at home.



Seattle won it and Carroll did an outstanding coaching job since he got there. If only he had signed with Washington instead of the immortal Mike.[/QUOTE]


I dont care i despise him. Lol. You know how in sports thee are just certain players or coaches that you cant stand?

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I would give this guy more credit than Schneider, as soon as he left SF and went to Seattle things changed there. This is what he did in SF before Seattle, impressive. Lure him to DC.

[url=http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/01/17/scot-mccloughan-now-a-seahawks-exec-had-it-right-about-the-49ers-and-had-them-built-right-when-he-left/]Scot McCloughan–now a Seahawks exec–had it right about the 49ers… and had them built right when he left | Talking Points[/url]

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This was my comment 13 days ago on the /r/nfl subreddit about the Super Bowl.


[quote]I think it also comes down to how the refs will call the game. Are they going to allow aggressive play in the secondary? If so, it favors Seattle. During the playoffs, refs tend to keep their flags in their pocket for the most part and let the players play. (kind of like NBA)
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This is exactly how it went down too. The refs allowed the aggressive play by the DBs and threw off the timing on Peyton and his WRs.


This is first and foremost why I believe defense and special teams wins you these big games. Refs are too scared to be known as the ref that cost a team to lose so they keep their flags in the pockets for the most part. (which I have no problem with...it's like old school football) Having a top notch offense means jack shit in the playoffs, unlike having that top notch defense. The game changes dramatically on how it's called.

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[quote=redskins5044;1058513]Seahawks are built the right way, but to listen to ESPN guys say there D will be good for the next 7 years is a joke. They are all going to want to be paid, can't keep everyone the test to greatness is if they can get guys to fill into spots when guys leave.[/quote]

I doubt that it is a joke. The new TV contracts go into effect next year, and will hit the cap in 2015. The cap will be going up in 2015 and each successive year for a while. They will not be able to sign everyone, but will have the chance to sign enough to keep them good. Not like in years past where the cap was rising but slowly. In 5 years, the cap could be a pretty significant jump from the $120 mil it is now and Seattle wont be needing to sign many FA's.

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"John F. Kennedy can finish a drive better than the Broncos "

"Abraham Lincoln could finish a play better."


Reddit is super brutal tonight...lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;1058523]"John F. Kennedy can finish a drive better than the Broncos "

"Abraham Lincoln could finish a play better."


Reddit is super brutal tonight...lol[/quote]

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lol I love how this has become the dump on Denver thread. Didn't Goat like Denver or knew some oil tycoon in Denver?

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Coincidence? [url=http://www.seahawks.com/news/press/article-1/Seahawks-hire-McCloughan-as-Senior-Personnel-Executive/c57a12ea-f168-4ffb-b95f-6e3e90e629d6]Seahawks hire McCloughan as Senior Personnel Executive[/url]

Seahawks denied the Dolphins an interview with good reason:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/14/seahawks-denied-dolphins-request-to-interview-mccloughan-at-his-request/]Seahawks denied Dolphins request to interview McCloughan, at his request | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/02/manny-ramirez-i-never-heard-snap-count-on-game-opening-safety/]Manny Ramirez: We never heard snap count on game-opening safety | ProFootballTalk[/url]

It seems the bad snap to start the destruction of the Broncos was on John Fox. No surprise there.

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[quote=donofriose;1058528][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/02/manny-ramirez-i-never-heard-snap-count-on-game-opening-safety/]Manny Ramirez: We never heard snap count on game-opening safety | ProFootballTalk[/url]

It seems the bad snap to start the destruction of the Broncos was on John Fox. No surprise there.[/quote][IMG]http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/nfl/SuperBowl/Safety2.gif[/IMG]
Well, the line started running the play when the ball was snapped, but Peyton and the WRs didn't.

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[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/football/nfl/peyton-mannings-legacy-unchanged-loss]Peyton Manning's legacy unchanged by loss - NBC Sports | NBC Sports[/url]

Exactly how I feel about Manning. This game didn't change Manning as one of the top 5 QB's of all time.

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[quote=donofriose;1058514]Yea he just won a superbowl where he was the main guy responsible for bringing in a lot of those players. They were tied for the best road record in the NFL this past year. San Fran had a chance to get homefield, but they lost important games they needed to win... two of them at home.

Seattle won it and Carroll did an outstanding coaching job since he got there. If only he had signed with Washington instead of the immortal Mike.[/quote]

This and then some.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1058504]That GM was Marty's right hand man here in 2001[/quote]


Wow...didn't know that.

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[quote=punch it in;1058517]I dont care i despise him. Lol. You know how in sports thee are just certain players or coaches that you cant stand?[/quote]

I don't get how anyone can't like Pete Carroll. The guy is 62 years old, has the energy of a 30 year old, he sets the tone with competition, let's his players be themselves and obviously can coach. Is there anyone else who's won a national championship and a Super Bowl?

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[quote=punch it in;1058512]I refuse to give carroll credit. He won a division championship with parcells team before he let that team go to shit. He cheated at usc and jumped ship. And now because of his stadiium gets homefield advantage thruout the playoffs. Sanfran would have beat them at home. I think the denver broncos along with the entire afc would have been outclassed by a handful of nfc teams tonite. I give full credit to the seattle gm for bringing in these players. But most importantly i cannot stand him. Lol thats my take and im sticking to it.[/quote]

Sour grapes.

Carroll is heavily involved in personnel. He hired the GM there and has total control.

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It should be made clear.

First off. "cheating" in major college football is ubiquitous. It is done in every program.

Second, he wasn't accused of anything, nor was the school. Reggie Bush, by himself, was the cause of sanctions at USC. Carroll jumped ship when he knew they were coming.

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[quote=donofriose;1058530][URL="http://www.nbcsports.com/football/nfl/peyton-mannings-legacy-unchanged-loss"]Peyton Manning's legacy unchanged by loss - NBC Sports | NBC Sports[/URL]

Exactly how I feel about Manning. This game didn't change Manning as one of the top 5 QB's of all time.[/quote]


I got to agree ,while I think we all realize it wasn't his best game lets give credit to the Seahawks defense for causing the turnovers and remember the Peyton didn't miss all those tackles .

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Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.

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Tebow could have mustered up 8 pts. Just saying.

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Kinda sad Peyton cant throw the ball deep anymore. Pretty evident last night. They pretty much dared him too with there safeties playing up all night.

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[quote=Mattyk;1058551]Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.[/quote]

They went up against the greatest offense of all time point-wise and got dominanted in one of the greatest defensive performances in the history of the league. Lets not understate it.

Too not give Carroll credit is simply laughable.

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Last week Ruhskins said that the Seattle D was not getting enough respect. Boy was he right. Holy cow.

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[quote=Mattyk;1058551]Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.[/quote]I thought the SEA D-line did a great job just rushing four.

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One thing that stuck out was Marshawn Lynch got effing handled by the Broncos' defense. They committed to stopping Lynch and said "Wilson, beat us." And he did. Big game by Wilson, 88.1 QBR, 123 rating. Big on 3rd down. Shoulda had 3 TDs, got 2.

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[quote=Chico23231;1058560]One thing that stuck out was Marshawn Lynch got effing handled by the Broncos' defense. They committed to stopping Lynch and said "Wilson, beat us." And he did. Big game by Wilson, 88.1 QBR, 123 rating. Big on 3rd down. Shoulda had 3 TDs, got 2.[/quote]

I'm sorry but Wilson didn't beat anyone. He played [B][U]very well[/U][/B], but without Seattle's D, his offensive output doesn't beat Denver.

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Wilson made plays when he had to and was efficient. That team could win with a lot of different guys at QB.

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[quote=Mattyk;1058551]Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.[/quote]

Exactly . Hard to believe so many people think that the QB is the sole reason for winning / losing . Joe Montana is remembered for his 4 Super Bowl wins , 2 blowouts and 1 big comeback . Montana should get praised for the great games , but SF was a better team than Cin. and far better than Denver & Miami. Now if you took Montana's 3 losses to NY 85 - 90 , and the loss to Minn. ( 87 ) , you would think he choked . It is a team game . Congrads to R. Wilson and that D .

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[quote=Ruhskins;1058563]I'm sorry but Wilson didn't beat anyone. He played [B][U]very well[/U][/B], but without Seattle's D, his offensive output doesn't beat Denver.[/quote]

I agree with you . However I do think Wilson is a heck of a QB .

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Yeah I dont know. I think Wilson has proven in the past if he needed to be clutch and bring a team back from being down, he could have. Thought he played outstanding on a big stage.

One thing telling is the coaching staff wasnt conservative even with a lead. They continued to put the ball in Wilson hand to make plays running and throwing.

A "game manager" is a term used when a coaching staff doesnt have trust or full confidence in their QB to win games. If you watch Seattle, you never get that sense at anytime, in any game situation with Wilson.

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[quote=Mattyk;1058551]Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.[/quote]

I think the main reason I was for Seattle in the Superbowl was all of the talk weeks before the Superbowl of "if Peyton Manning wins this super bowl he will be seen as the greatest QB of all time."
That is stupid. Not to mention how much that jinxed Manning.
I am tired of today's pass happy fans and media that do not understand the only reason all of these passing records are being broken is because of the rule changes created by the NFL in the last 10-20 years to promote passing (ratings), like you can not touch a receiver after 2.5 yards from line of scrimmage and many others to protect the Qb.
Individual stats and records are not big deal when you are throwing the more than any one ever has in the history of the game. Or that your teams is so one dimensional that you lose the big game. Winning Superbowl's trumps all individual stats and records.

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[quote=budw38;1058569]I agree with you . However I do think Wilson is a heck of a QB .[/quote]

I'm not saying he is not, but people act like he's carrying Seattle on his shoulders.

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Wilson is a good QB. Not sure he is elite - yet. With that D, and M. Lynch, he has the luxury of developing by playing with a good team. He has all the intangibles to make it to the Hall of Very Very Good. From what have seen of him, however, he still has accuracy and arm strength issues. I openly confess that I may be wrong on both issues.