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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/QUOTE]


We also had a hall of fame cast all around them including our coach. We had an absolutely amazing defensive line, and an incredible secondary to go with it. The fact that the Skins of the 80's had success with "cast off" qb's has zilch to do with Kirk Cousins and the Redskins of today.
Edit: i am not taking anything away from what Gruden might accomplish or the direction we might be headed in, but to say what happened 25 years ago means we can turn the trick today with Cousins is silly.
Edit 2: in what world was Sonny a back up qb? He was a starter when we got him from Philly, and won pro bowls. He is one of the greatest in Redskin history.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/quote]

Williams was a starter in Tampa Bay long before coming to Washington *AND* had nearly gotten the Bucs to the Super Bowl. So, Williams already had proven history of being starter material in the NFL before coming to Washington.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/quote]

No. Thinking of the guys I listed as backups is a misrepresentation for reasons i mentioned.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1070341]No. Thinking of the guys I listed as backups is a misrepresentation for reasons i mentioned.[/QUOTE]


His idea of backup seems to be someone who did not start every game they ever dressed for. So I guess Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers are backups?

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Wow....we're comparing backup QB strategy's from 42 years ago to today.
Thats not very irrefutable.

:smashfreak:

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[quote=punch it in;1070343]His idea of backup seems to be someone who did not start every game they ever dressed for. So I guess Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers are backups?[/quote]

Add Tom Brady to that too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070314]Gibbs and Saunders did not really have the same offense.[/quote]Saunders was there 06 and 07. Jason Campbell had two years in his system. I was just emphasizing it was a hybrid of Saunders/Gibbs. Not any transition from 06 to 07.

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[quote=punch it in;1070290]I seem to remember JC always learning a new offense. Didnt he go through that at Auburn too?[/quote]Lol, yeah I think one of those things that gets repeated enough times people believe it's true, when it's not. Campbell had 2 years in the Saunders offense, and 2 years in the Zorn offense. He did not have to "learn a new offense each year" with the Skins.

Dunno about Auburn. Wonder if that would be a plus or not.

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JC could have played in one system his entire life and it wouldn't have made a difference.

Has JC, in his defence, ever had a decent line to stand behind?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1070352]JC could have played in one system his entire life and it wouldn't have made a difference.[/QUOTE]


Just for the record I agree. At the time I just remember thinking stability wouldnt hurt.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/quote]

It's not just here, you see it all the time where a starter goes down and the back up comes in and outplays the starter. It happens all the time.

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[quote=Mattyk;1070352]JC could have played in one system his entire life and it wouldn't have made a difference.[/quote]

Well I would agree with you on that to a point. But had he had the chance to stay in Saunders offense, he would've have been a solid, middle of the pack starting QB that you can win with.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1070356]Well I would agree with you on that to a point. But had he had the chance to stay in Saunders offense, he would've have been a solid, middle of the pack starting QB that you can win with.[/QUOTE]


Going out on a long shaky limb there.....lol

Thing I remember about JC that drove me crazy was his pocket presence. Always that deer in the headlights look. Always rattled. Not that he had great protection, or weapons, but he always lacked confidence imo.

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[quote=punch it in;1070358]Thing I remember about JC that drove me crazy was his pocket presence. Always that deer in the headlights look. Always rattled. Not that he had great protection, or weapons, but he always lacked confidence imo.[/quote]

Well, according to Bleacher Report in July of 2011, Jason Campbell was the next great Raiders QB. Really makes you wonder why BR isn't the go-to for anyone wanting quality NFL analysis.

[url=http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/768601-oakland-raiders-qb-jason-campbell-the-arm-that-won-the-west]Oakland Raiders QB Jason Campbell: The Arm That Will Win the AFC West | Bleacher Report[/url]

[QUOTE=SirLK26;1070360]Well, according to Bleacher Report in July of 2011, Jason Campbell was the next great Raiders QB. Really makes you wonder why BR isn't the go-to for anyone wanting quality NFL analysis.



[url=http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/768601-oakland-raiders-qb-jason-campbell-the-arm-that-won-the-west]Oakland Raiders QB Jason Campbell: The Arm That Will Win the AFC West | Bleacher Report[/url][/QUOTE]


The title alone is enough to make me laugh. I dont think I could stomach reading the article. Lol

The legend of Jason campbell lives on here

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1070365]The legend of Jason campbell lives on here[/quote]

The Offseason on The Warpath: Where Irrelevancy Lives On

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[quote=Ruhskins;1070369]The Offseason on The Warpath: Where Irrelevancy Lives On[/quote]

Lol!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1070365]The legend of Jason campbell lives on here[/quote]

Very odd how he went from a no good bum to a sympathetic figure.

I still think he is a no good bum

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he can be both.

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Bumping a Jason Campbell bashfest thread.

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JC is not a bum because he would have been out of the league some time ago. He also is not a very good starting QB. He's what he always has been in the NFL: middle of the road mediocre.

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I feel like I might be the only person with a neutral opinion of JC. He's not quite good enough to start, but I think he'd be a better backup than say, an undrafted rookie free agent qb. He's like Butterfingers, only good in small doses.

edit: Lotus, I agree.

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[quote=SirLK26;1070360]Well, according to Bleacher Report in July of 2011, Jason Campbell was the next great Raiders QB. Really makes you wonder why BR isn't the go-to for anyone wanting quality NFL analysis.

[url=http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/768601-oakland-raiders-qb-jason-campbell-the-arm-that-won-the-west]Oakland Raiders QB Jason Campbell: The Arm That Will Win the AFC West | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

I'd guess that about 5 or 6 years down the line Bleacher Report will actually be viewed as a pretty viable sports news site. At least up until a couple years ago it was basically a bunch of above average message board members, English undergrads, and young journalists trying to get experience. It still seems to have a healthy amount of virtual unknowns but they've also mixed in a decent amount of experienced sports writers.

For example looking at the front page you got an informative article from Matt Bowen who's credited as their NFL lead writer on Cover 3 defenses.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2047445-nfl-101-introducing-the-basics-of-cover-3]NFL 101: Introducing the Basics of Cover 3 | Bleacher Report[/url]

Just browsing a couple other articles you also got guys that have written for USA Today, SI.com, Yahoo Sports so its not nearly as many keyboard warriors as it use to be. And honestly I'm not against the younger guys having a platform, after all they need to get experience somehow. Provided of course that they're actually aspiring journalist, or at least really damn good blog writters. Of course the Jason Campbell article you linked to was written by a game named RaiderusMax so I guess we shouldn't be surprised how it looks in hindsight.

Honestly my main problem with the site these days is the lists. I'm not against list, in fact I tend to like them, but Bleacher Report just goes CRAZY with them.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2052365-2014-nfl-draft-reviewing-candidates-odds-for-the-number-one-pick]2014 NFL Draft: Odds for Top Candidates to Be No. 1 Pick | Bleacher Report[/url]

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2052384-2014-nfl-drafts-all-sleeper-team]2014 NFL Draft's All-Sleeper Team | Bleacher Report[/url]

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2042869-nfl-draft-rumors-last-minute-draft-whispers-around-all-32-teams]NFL Draft Rumors: Last-Minute Draft Whispers Around All 32 Teams | Bleacher Report[/url]

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2043195-reviewing-nfl-offseason-moves-weve-loved-hated-so-far]Reviewing NFL Offseason Moves We've Loved, Hated so Far | Bleacher Report[/url]

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2041563-unsigned-nfl-stars-who-can-help-a-super-bowl-contender-in-2014]Unsigned NFL Free Agents Who Can Help a Super Bowl Contender in 2014 | Bleacher Report[/url]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

There was a time, at least around here, where anyone who linked to a PFT site was pretty much guaranteed to be ridiculed. Now even though its not really too many peoples #1 preference the articles, for the most part, aren't viewed with nearly as much skepticism as when they first burst onto the scene. So I guess its not to crazy to picture a day where Bleacher Report is viewed at least with similar esteem to that of PFT.

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Lock this relapse.

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On espn this morning, Bill Polian was discussing the Browns' possibility of drafting Manziel. He stated that it would be more beneficial to trade the #26 overall pick for Cousins rather than getting Manziel with the #4 overall pick.

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If I was a Browns fan I would want Johnny.

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Cleveland is where young quarterbacks go to die.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1070392]On espn this morning, Bill Polian was discussing the Browns' possibility of drafting Manziel. He stated that it would be more beneficial to trade the #26 overall pick for Cousins rather than getting Manziel with the #4 overall pick.[/quote]

I feel like I should send Polian a fruit basket for saying that.

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if we get the 26th overall pick for KC that would truly make the RGIII deal a steal

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Cleveland isn't giving us the 26th pick for Cousins. Not going to happen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070423]Cleveland isn't giving us the 26th pick for Cousins. Not going to happen.[/quote]




What if we give them Cousins and Rambo?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1070424]What if we give them Cousins and Rambo?[/quote]

Rambo?? SMH. Clev wants Manziel. It's obvious that if they go the draft route for their QB, that's who they're picking. He'll get that fanbase excited again. Kyle can design the same offense we ran in 12, seems to look like that's who they really want. Plus they have Hoyer. No need to trade.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1070424]What if we give them Cousins and Rambo?[/quote]

:laughing2


Cleveland isnt giving us a 1st round pick folks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070426]Rambo?? SMH. Clev wants Manziel. It's obvious that if they go the draft route for their QB, that's who they're picking. He'll get that fanbase excited again. Kyle can design the same offense we ran in 12, seems to look like that's who they really want. Plus they have Hoyer. No need to trade.[/quote]


LOL I was just being silly.

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I don't want to start an argument but Manzeil is not as fast as RG3 2012. That speed made Kyles offense work.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1070424]What if we give them Cousins and Rambo?[/quote]

If Cleveland takes Rambo, we have to send them an extra pick in compensation. :cheeky: