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[quote=Mattyk;1074861]Here we go

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/26/plaintiff-in-redskins-patent-case-urges-chiefs-to-change-their-name/]Plaintiff in Redskins patent case urges Chiefs to change their name | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

People who didn't see this coming are stupid. NCAI has a 30 page document on their website saying ALL Native American references need to go. Braves, Indians, Blackhawks and Chiefs fans need to get on board with the Skins. If Redskins goes down, they're next. At least we can hide behind the potato. They can't.

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[quote=Mattyk;1074863]Probably not, he clearly only has a boner for anything anti-Redskins. "Chiefs" isn't a slur so apparently that's ok (slur or not shouldn't matter).[/quote]

PFT twitter account is pretty agressive dismissing anything pro-Redskins. PFT is not journalism, but smut tabloid. Cant believe NBC got behind that sort of stuff.

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[quote=44Deezel;1074864]People who didn't see this coming are stupid. NCAI has a 30 page document on their website saying ALL Native American references need to go. Braves, Indians, Blackhawks and Chiefs fans need to get on board with the Skins. If Redskins goes down, they're next. At least we can hide behind the potato. They can't.[/quote]

agree Deez.

I say to all who took up the cause against the Skins names cant back track now, you support changing the Chiefs name as well.

#truecolors

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[quote=Mattyk;1074863]Probably not, he clearly only has a boner for anything anti-Redskins. "Chiefs" isn't a slur so apparently that's ok (slur or not shouldn't matter).[/quote]

Call a Native American "Chief" to their face and see what happens. My family is from Peru and the most offensive thing you could call us isn't spic or wetback. It's Mexican. Assuming all Hispanics are Mexican is ignorant and infuriating. The word Mexican by itself isn't a slur though.

Context matters.

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[quote=44Deezel;1074854]Just saw that the Seattle Times will no longer use the word, Redskin, even when writing about the Wellpinit Redskins.

Wow, telling the Native American residents of Wellpinit that they're ignorant racists is pretty harsh. Does it get any more pompous and arrogant than that?

I was starting to warm to Redtails or Red Clouds, but now I'd like Danny to stick it to these clowns and slap the sweet-looking, classic Redskin 'R' on the helmets. Tell everyone the name is now associated with redskin potatoes and be done with it. Force these a-holes to start using the name again.

Team names are, by and large, stupid and don't honor or dignify anything. Who do the Giants, Jets, Panthers, Seahawks and Cardinals honor? The PELICANS? Having a team name associated with a potato is just as dumb as being associated with a type of plane, but nobody gives it a second thought.

I just want to keep calling them Redskins. Doesn't matter to me what the background of the name is. Does anyone think of the Indian Meat Packing company when Green Bay plays? Does 49er fans care any more about gold miners that anyone else? It's a BRAND NAME, people, and a strong one at that.


The yellow helmets with the 'R' look cool and no, logos don't need to match names. They usually don't actually.

What could anyone do about it? Absolutely nothing![/quote]

actually..just an opinion...I think a logo being the first letter in a team name is pretty stupid. I understand if it were a =W= but not an R. its cool for being retro but is kind of dumbed down if done now

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Can I ask what Washington FC means.
Thanks

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[quote=ram29jackson;1074868]actually..just an opinion...I think a logo being the first letter in a team name is pretty stupid. I understand if it were a =W= but not an R. its cool for being retro but is kind of dumbed down if done now[/quote]

I hear ya, but I like the old yellow helmets with the R. Danny could be a total dick and actually put the word Redskins on the helmet. Again, the potato version, not the Native American version.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1074869]Can I ask what Washington FC means.
Thanks[/quote]

Washington Football Club.

If the name has to change, it's the best option I've heard so far.

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oohhh the plaintiff 'URGES' the Chiefs...LOL IE; please please please let me get my way waaahhhh wahhhh

oh yeah, Chief is so damn negative.

just my 2 cents= I like the simple pure red the Chiefs use...oh wait, maybe that's a negative because it was in fact used to mean=war,blood,violence,energy when applied before war/warring .

the Redskins and Chiefs are very smart picking the uniform colors they did

yellow means= intellect and determination=face paint, and willing to fight to the death=war paint, by the way

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I'm amused how Blackhorse and her allies speak as though who ever they go after (the chiefs now) should just make it easy on themselves and do what they will eventually do anyway. That's all they can do like little kids because they know they cant win anything if it goes to court.



the twitter thing is unimportant because you know most people on social media just want to be trolling and negative anyway but why did that go bad when every article that allows comments is always 90% pro Redskins ?

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[quote=44Deezel;1074874]I hear ya, but I like the old yellow helmets with the R. Danny could be a total dick and actually put the word Redskins on the helmet. Again, the potato version, not the Native American version.[/quote]

I just realized they went to a yellow helmet when Lombardi started coaching there..interesting and makes sense

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[QUOTE]When Lombardi came to Washington in 1969 after a one year sabbatical, there was a buzz in the air to say the least. Much change was expected after 13 consecutive non winning seasons, but the first major change was an accident. Sand Knit was the predominate manufacturer of the Redskins jerseys from 1957 to 1968. Vince Lombardi's brother in law was a sales rep for Rawlings, so out with the losing tradition and in with new jerseys from Rawlings, but just days before the season a serious issue was discovered.

For a decade the Redskins had always worn dark burgundy jerseys with a burgundy or dark plumb colored helmet. After opening the boxes there was going to be a serious fashion faux pas, the jerseys were the wrong color. All helmets were quickly taken in the back equipment room stripped of their 9 part spear decals and spray painted the new lighter color of cardinal. Let’s face it, with just days to go, it was much easier to paint the helmets than to change the color of the jerseys. This was also the first and only year they used the single part multi colored spear decal. Looking closely at this featured helmet, you can still see the cardinal color paint from the previous year[/QUOTE]


[url=http://www.helmethut.com/Redskins/Pierce.html]Lombardi R[/url]

[IMG]http://www.helmethut.com/Redskins/pierce3.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE]The in-laws may have unintentionally changed the helmet color in 1969 but Lombardi changed the design completely in 1970. He wanted to bring the prestige and look of his championship Packers to the Washington Redskins. Sadly his illness prohibited him from every coaching while this helmet style took the field. The design only lasted two years. Thanks Jim.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.helmethut.com/Redskins/pierce.jpg[/IMG]

I like looking at helmet histories and similar stuff.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1074861]Here we go

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/26/plaintiff-in-redskins-patent-case-urges-chiefs-to-change-their-name/]Plaintiff in Redskins patent case urges Chiefs to change their name | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]

Yes!!!!!!!

Keep them coming. Please piss off as many different fanbases as possible!!!!

[QUOTE=ram29jackson;1074883][url=http://www.helmethut.com/Redskins/Pierce.html]Lombardi R[/url]

[IMG]http://www.helmethut.com/Redskins/pierce3.jpg[/IMG]



[IMG]http://www.helmethut.com/Redskins/pierce.jpg[/IMG]

I like looking at helmet histories and similar stuff.[/QUOTE]

That's a good looking helmet :)

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I always loved the throwback helmets.

So I voted Bravehearts simply because I hadn't thought of that name and I like it. Otherwise toss me into thr Warriors group.

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bravehearts?!? why is braves not an option?

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LOL now they are going after the Chiefs LOL, they are getting desperate

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[quote=tshile;1074893]That's a good looking helmet :)[/quote]

And those are just bird feathers. Nothing to do with Native Americans. "We just like how they frame the letter R". - Dan Snyder

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[quote=los panda;1074897]bravehearts?!? why is braves not an option?[/quote]

Why does it need to be an Indian name?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1074916]Why does it need to be an Indian name?[/quote]

Identity. You gotta understand that not everybody on this board is a resident of the D.C. area, surrounding areas, or has been at some point. For me, I grew up 5 hours away from D.C. That isn't exactly being a part of the area, even though most of all Virginia is a Redskins state. So for me, I identified with the team by their name, logos, and color of uniforms. I don't have that hometown attachment to the team. So, if the team moved out west and still called themselves the Redskins, I'd still root for that team even if a new team moved into the D.C. area.

Having said that, I feel that most fans could embrace a name change if the change wasn't a complete and total change away from what the team is now. A name that could still embrace the old identity, colors, even the logo - if not for a transitional period. And then, once fans are used to calling the team the new name, then other changes (main colors if need be, logo, etc...) could gradually be mixed in. Over time, the change and transition isn't quite as harsh.

I understand the thoughts of some to just change the name completely, get rid of everything Washington Redskins, and just move on so that we're not having to hear about people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse. But the truth is, that would be a very polarizing change. The hometown fans would embrace whatever, but the admirers from far away would be left feeling as if we got robbed.

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I think using Native Americans as mascots in general is the issue; some feel that they are honored by it, some feel dehumanized by it (Chief Wahoo is a pretty dehumanizing caricature if you ask me). So anything Native American will be off the table if this campaign is ultimately successful. Braves, Warriors, Chiefs, etc.

Perhaps the only option left would be an agreement with a local tribe, similar to what the Seminoles have with FSU. The Washington Powhatan has a nice ring to it.

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But one thing I did want to comment about the "Braveheart" name. If it wasn't for the movie (and I LOVED the movie), I'd probably get used to that name. But since there is a move called Braveheart, I'd feel that name would be a little "Campy". I can't help but to picture a logo with Mel Gibson's panted face on it.

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[quote=HoustonSkinsFan;1074920]I think using Native Americans as mascots in general is the issue; some feel that they are honored by it, some feel dehumanized by it (Chief Wahoo is a pretty dehumanizing caricature if you ask me). So anything Native American will be off the table if this campaign is ultimately successful. Braves, Warriors, Chiefs, etc.

Perhaps the only option left would be an agreement with a local tribe, similar to what the Seminoles have with FSU. The Washington Powhatan has a nice ring to it.[/quote]

Honestly, I think if the team ever did agree to the change, the other side would have to agree to a compromise. I think they could live with Braves or Warriors with the agreement that a certain percentage of income made was given to a local tribe or something like that. To me, if people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse didn't agree to that, then it says to me it's all about the money. They may think they can stronghold them into an all or nothing change, but the truth is, I don't believe they have that much power. And knowing that these ridiculous lawsuits are popping up ($9B of the Cleveland Indians), eventually the general public is going to start thinking this is more about money than rights.

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[quote=skinsguy;1074919]Identity. You gotta understand that not everybody on this board is a resident of the D.C. area, surrounding areas, or has been at some point. For me, I grew up 5 hours away from D.C. That isn't exactly being a part of the area, even though most of all Virginia is a Redskins state. So for me, I identified with the team by their name, logos, and color of uniforms. I don't have that hometown attachment to the team. So, if the team moved out west and still called themselves the Redskins, I'd still root for that team even if a new team moved into the D.C. area.

Having said that, I feel that most fans could embrace a name change if the change wasn't a complete and total change away from what the team is now. A name that could still embrace the old identity, colors, even the logo - if not for a transitional period. And then, once fans are used to calling the team the new name, then other changes (main colors if need be, logo, etc...) could gradually be mixed in. Over time, the change and transition isn't quite as harsh.

I understand the thoughts of some to just change the name completely, get rid of everything Washington Redskins, and just move on so that we're not having to hear about people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse. But the truth is, that would be a very polarizing change. The hometown fans would embrace whatever, but the admirers from far away would be left feeling as if we got robbed.[/quote]

Not really, I haven't lived anywhere near DC since 1973 and if we have to change names I want to dump the Indian thing entirely.

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[quote=skinsguy;1074922]Honestly, I think if the team ever did agree to the change, the other side would have to agree to a compromise. I think they could live with Braves or Warriors with the agreement that a certain percentage of income made was given to a local tribe or something like that. To me, if people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse didn't agree to that, then it says to me it's all about the money. They may think they can stronghold them into an all or nothing change, but the truth is, I don't believe they have that much power. And knowing that these ridiculous lawsuits are popping up ($9B of the Cleveland Indians), eventually the general public is going to start thinking this is more about money than rights.[/quote]

I think you're being overly optimistic.

There's a bigger play at work here. And even if there isn't, the constantly shifting 'standards' of political correctness guarantee nothing if the team name is changed to anything that can be perceived as relating to any culture, race, creed, etc.

My opinion: if you change the name and leave any links to Native Americans in place, you're simply asking for us to go through all of this again at some point in the future. Personally - if we're going to change the name I prefer we change to something that doesn't mean decades of defending it again. I'm rather tired of the whole issue.

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You know, it may be about money. But honestly, I don't think that's a totally awful thing... Conditions are deplorable on a lot of reservations, and frankly, the US government has a lot to do with that. Now, whether or not the money would actually go towards making things better is another discussion altogether, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion, I think.

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[quote=skinsguy;1074922]Honestly, I think if the team ever did agree to the change, the other side would have to agree to a compromise. I think they could live with Braves or Warriors with the agreement that a certain percentage of income made was given to a local tribe or something like that. To me, if people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse didn't agree to that, then it says to me it's all about the money. They may think they can stronghold them into an all or nothing change, but the truth is, I don't believe they have that much power. And knowing that these ridiculous lawsuits are popping up ($9B of the Cleveland Indians), eventually the general public is going to start thinking this is more about money than rights.[/quote]We had approval of the National Congress of American Indians. Dan Snyder funds a foundation for Native Americans. The whiny PC crowd apparently doesn't care about things like that.

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this is good

[url=http://wtvr.com/2014/06/27/protesting-washington-redskins-name/]HOLMBERG: Easier to protest Redskins’ name than actually help Native Americans | WTVR.com[/url]

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[quote=tshile;1074924]I think you're being overly optimistic.

There's a bigger play at work here. And even if there isn't, the constantly shifting 'standards' of political correctness guarantee nothing if the team name is changed to anything that can be perceived as relating to any culture, race, creed, etc.

My opinion: if you change the name and leave any links to Native Americans in place, you're simply asking for us to go through all of this again at some point in the future. Personally - if we're going to change the name I prefer we change to something that doesn't mean decades of defending it again. I'm rather tired of the whole issue.[/quote]

I might be overly optimistic, but when I start seeing frivolous lawsuits such as the one against the Cleveland Indians for $9 billion, then I start to see that this is a money thing more than anything else. And money talks, people listen. Everybody has their price, even these special interest groups. If the price is right, they go away satisfied and hopefully you've brokered a deal to either keep your name and logo, or change it to something that still remains Native American. Obviously that's still important to Daniel Snyder.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1074916]Why does it need to be an Indian name?[/quote]doesn't need to be, just made sense to me to revert back to our original name.

what part of [brave] "american indian warrior" is offensive?

if it was my team, i'd keep the redskins name until my profits hurt or until they made me change it > i would change it back to braves, and keep our current logo.

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[quote=HoustonSkinsFan;1074925]You know, it may be about money. But honestly, I don't think that's a totally awful thing... Conditions are deplorable on a lot of reservations, and frankly, the US government has a lot to do with that. Now, whether or not the money would actually go towards making things better is another discussion altogether, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion, I think.[/quote]

In terms of these tribes getting money - hey, I don't blame them in those regards. These reservations need money. But I think there are better ways of going about it.

I think about this: Teams that have Native American names could really help to market great ways of raising awareness and raising money. For instance, $1 for every purchase made at home games could go toward a Native American fund. A % from ticket sells could also go toward this. Commercials could run during Redskins games speaking about the fund Snyder has created and ways to donate to that.

Or, you could just sue for $9 billion dollars, lol!

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[quote=los panda;1074933]doesn't need to be, just made sense to me to revert back to our original name.

what part of [brave] "american indian warrior" is offensive?

if it was my team, i'd keep the redskins name until my profits hurt or until they made me change it > i would change it back to braves, and keep our current logo.[/quote]

Supposedly, Native American mascots "dehumanize" Native Americans.

If the name changes, we need to stay away from all Native American references. Because if we don't, we [I]will[/I] run into this baloney again. Unless we make a clear distinction to let people know we're not referencing Native Americans, I say no to Braves, Warriors, and any other similar terms.

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[quote=SirLK26;1074935]Supposedly, Native American mascots "dehumanize" Native Americans.

If the name changes, we need to stay away from all Native American references. Because if we don't, we [I]will[/I] run into this baloney again. Unless we make a clear distinction to let people know we're not referencing Native Americans, I say no to Braves, Warriors, and any other similar terms.[/quote]

giving into fools is not the answer

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[quote=ram29jackson;1074938]giving into fools is not the answer[/quote]

What's your solution?

I don't see any way to effectively fight the wave of PCness that is sweeping the country. If it were just white governement liberals and the current minority of NAs that made up this particular part of the wave(the anti-Redskins angle), we could fight back. But this wave is like a tornado, tearing through the country and sucking up pretty much everyone in its path. It is now quite popular to either be offended at something, or to jump on someone else's "offense" bandwagon and go to town... or court... or the internet... and spread whatever outrage you're offended by, in order to gain the masses' sympathy, and/or soothe your own guilty conscience, and/or attempt to lift yourself up by putting on a show of sympathy or despairing offendedness. And so because of that, there's not just a few pro-name change people like there were in 90s; it's the majority of the country now, in my opinion. Seriously, there's even Redskins fans who have given in and have pity for those on the pro-name change side.

Remember this quote: "It isn't what it is, Tommy. It is never what it is. It's what it can be made to look like?" That is truth, ladies and gentleman... unfortunately, these people are very good at making the Redskins and our name look bad.

As long as Snyder is the owner, I think it's doubtful the name will change, unless some higher authority steps in and absolutely forces him to change it, which isn't entirely out of the question. I hope he continues to fight as long as possible, but I really don't see any way he can win.

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no court and no judge will appease these fools who are trying to attack one of the biggest money making business's in the country IE the NFL.

they have no legal ground to stand on and no proof of truth of their claim

..I don't need to know a solution. I just know the NFL will take care of it.

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[quote=ram29jackson;1074941]no court and no judge will appease these fools who are trying to attack one of the biggest money making business's in the country IE the NFL.

they have no legal ground to stand on and no proof of truth of their claim[/quote]

I hope you're right.

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unless it becomes illegal to be a KKK member this cant go forth. if this succeeded the next step would be to arrest or fine people for wearing Redskins etc gear...maybe lol