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Lots of folks talking up Cousins' performances over the past few weeks. On most teams there might be something to it. But the Redskins are in to the end with Griffin. I think i've always felt like they give him one more season. He looks slow, vulnerable, and un-inspired. I think there is no way we see Cousins in the game short of an injury. I doubt that Gruden benches him in the 1st season. A QB battle is more believable next off-season.

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Do you think we are so busy trying to turn Griffin into something he's not? Maybe it's too much of a shock?

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[quote=tc2deuce;1078771]something tells me that we really have not open the playbook yet[/quote]

No kidding!

The coaches are keeping things basic to be able to better evaluate players.

RGIII is working to improve his weaknesses, not to showcase his strengths.

In the regular season, we we'll see a much more dynamic offense with game plans that play to RGIII's strengths.

Many of the harshest RGIII criticisms in this thread were typed by people who over-reacted to a preseason game performance. We'll know a lot more about where RGIII stands after a couple of regular season games.

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[quote=Bushead;1078774]Do you think we are so busy trying to turn Griffin into something he's not? Maybe it's too much of a shock?[/quote]

An NFL Quarterback? Might be a lost cause.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1078775]No kidding!

The coaches are keeping things basic to be able to better evaluate players.

RGIII is working to improve his weaknesses, not to showcase his strengths.

In the regular season, we we'll see a much more dynamic offense with game plans that play to RGIII's strengths.

Many of the harshest RGIII criticisms in this thread were typed by people who over-reacted to a preseason game performance. We'll know a lot more about where RGIII stands after a couple of regular season games.[/quote]

I agree about the playbook but on 3rd and 8 no one is looking for boots or play action. He's going to have to drop back, stand in there and complete passes. You also have to realize that the defenses are also not showing their entire package either. We'll see week one but I have my doubts if RG3 fixes his issues by then.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1078769]Cousins is another Grossman.[/quote]

You might be right about that. But Grossman stands in there, doesn't hold the ball, completes passes and gives the WR a chance to make plays. With the offense and the playmakers we have now, that might be the best option.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1078754]I'm waiting to see this press conference with Rob. If he acts like I think he will, I'm on the Kirk train.

We all know Kirk is no world beater. The guy is middle of the road but can get the ball out quick and (usually) gets it to the right spots at the right time. This is a traditional, pocket passer led offense. Rob looks awful right now. He has no more time to get it together but we need to let him play out the year and see if it's even possible for him to be serviceable but as of this moment, he is just flat out terrible. That passing performance was unreal and with 3 corners out and against 2nd string on the last drive, inexcusable.[/quote]

Exactly. That's the sad thing. RG3 is getting severely outplayed by a guy would probably be the 20-25th best QB in the league if he were a full time starter. And anyone who wants to blame the O-line need only look at what Flacco did.

He was under more pressure all night, but got the ball out quickly and took sacks when he had to. RG3 threw that embarrassing interception against 2nd stringers and with all the time in the world to throw. Missed Jordan Reed who couldn't have been more wide open.

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[quote=44Deezel;1078794]Exactly. That's the sad thing. RG3 is getting severely outplayed by a guy would probably be the 20-25th best QB in the league if he were a full time starter. And anyone who wants to blame the O-line need only look at what Flacco did.

He was under more pressure all night, but got the ball out quickly and took sacks when he had to. RG3 threw that embarrassing interception against 2nd stringers and with all the time in the world to throw. Missed Jordan Reed who couldn't have been more wide open.[/quote]Not only did he miss a wide open Reed for what would have been a HUGE gain, he locked in on our weakeast receiving option (Morris) who had tight coverage. Bottom line, Cousins sees the field, Griffin doesn't. For the first time, I'm coming to realize that he may never progress as a pocket passer, and that's a scary thought. Could be another lost season.

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I see everyone's getting worked up over a preseason game :)

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Funny, we don't want Robert to run, don't want him in a read option offense, we want him to be a better pocket passer but nobody wants the growing pains associated with making that transition.

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[quote=spAtt;1078772][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins]Kirk Cousins Game By Game Stats and Performance - Washington Redskins - ESPN[/url]

just saying........[/quote]

Amazing how quickly people forget.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078797]Funny, we don't want Robert to run, don't want him in a read option offense, we want him to be a better pocket passer but nobody wants the growing pains associated with making that transition.[/quote]

Right?

My favorite criticism from last night is that he didn't run more when he had the chance, which comes off a week of demanding he slide and stop taking hits.

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my concerns after last night:
some of the injuries. i hope they're not significant, though I haven't seen any news on them (haven't looked much)

the o line didn't win one on one match ups the way i would have liked to have seen. it's just preseason with vanilla offense, so i don't want to get carried away with that.

liking the younger guys. liking that they're all going to be backups. this is how you build a team. it doesn't mean you automatically get a ring, but drafting this way and having young guys that seem to have potential sitting on the roster to grow/mature as nfl players gives you the best chance.

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[quote=tshile;1078800]my concerns after last night:
some of the injuries. i hope they're not significant, though I haven't seen any news on them (haven't looked much)

the o line didn't win one on one match ups the way i would have liked to have seen. it's just preseason with vanilla offense, so i don't want to get carried away with that.

liking the younger guys. liking that they're all going to be backups. this is how you build a team. it doesn't mean you automatically get a ring, but drafting this way and having young guys that seem to have potential sitting on the roster to grow/mature as nfl players gives you the best chance.[/quote]

Moses: sprained knee
Rak: sprained ankle
Minnifield: hammy
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/63933/redskins-ot-morgan-moses-sprains-knee]Washington Redskins OT Morgan Moses sprains knee - ESPN[/url]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11401233/joe-theismann-says-kirk-cousins-better-qb-robert-griffin-iii]Joe Theismann says Kirk Cousins has been better at QB than Robert Griffin III - ESPN[/url]

Man, the one time Theismann isn't praising every Redskins player on earth and he's gotta call out RG3? Kinda wish Theismann would retire already, never been a fan of his.

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[quote=tshile;1078799]Right?

My favorite criticism from last night is that he didn't run more when he had the chance, which comes off a week of demanding he slide and stop taking hits.[/quote]

Him not taking hits was one of the best things he did last night. However, not sure why it takes him 50 yards to decelerate so he runs his knee into the bench. Seems to be exaggerated like a lot of what he does.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1078795]Not only did he miss a wide open Reed for what would have been a HUGE gain, he locked in on our weakeast receiving option (Morris) who had tight coverage. Bottom line, Cousins sees the field, Griffin doesn't. For the first time, I'm coming to realize that he may never progress as a pocket passer, and that's a scary thought. Could be another lost season.[/quote]

He actually went through three reads. At the time when he checked Reed he was covered still. Not saying he should have went with Morris however he really didn't have time to switch back to Reed.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078798]Amazing how quickly people forget.[/quote]

Grass is always greener.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1078797]Funny, we don't want Robert to run, don't want him in a read option offense, we want him to be a better pocket passer but nobody wants the growing pains associated with making that transition.[/QUOTE]


He had last season to develop as a pocket passer,i no it doesn't happen overnight but he has shown no improvement whatsoever
On top of that his decision-making sucks, he doesn't have the speed anymore when he runs outside the pocket and takes the sack running out of bounds when he should be throwing it away
His best pass of the night was out of the read option when he faked the handoff and do it straight down the middle, and that seems to be the only pass he can complete over 10 yards in the air besides the long bomb, he doesn't have to think about anything on that play and is very decisive
I really want him to succeed but in my heart I think he is going to turn out to be another Vince Young

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Cause whatever you thought Theismann already thunked it. -Rodrick

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Theismann has been to the training camp practices and has called the games. I think he's just backing up what the Patriots coaches and the beat reporter said. Are they all wrong on this?

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RGIII critics:

RGIII is probably going to be our starting QB for a long time so you might as well come to grips with the idea of taking the bad with the good. Besides, there is no rule that says we can't win with RGIII as he continues to develop.

I'm not entirely sure that the rest of this team is good enough to win now, anyway. I'm thinking we need one more year to develop some of our young players and to shore up weak positions with another infusion of talent before we become contenders.

If we should be lucky enough to win this season, it will be because a small group of playmakers, including Robert, carry us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078793]You might be right about that. But Grossman stands in there, doesn't hold the ball, completes passes and gives the WR a chance to make plays. With the offense and the playmakers we have now, that might be the best option.[/quote]

So what for style points. Grossman can't win and neither can Cousins. We play Clowney and Watts week 1. Cousins don't belong on the same field as those two athletes. Robert ran out of bounds, ain't that what y'all p*ssy ass fans want?

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When the season starts he wont stand in that pocket while it collapses like an idiot. He Wont stand there and throw the ball up for luck like Andrew Luck. By the way Lick has looked horrible this pre season. It's preseason. I can tell Robert and Jay were testing the o-line. Notice how no NFL teams want Cousins, not even Kyle.

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Grossman is on the Browns

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1078819]When the season starts he wont stand in that pocket while it collapses like an idiot. He Wont stand there and throw the ball up for luck like Andrew Luck. By the way Lick has looked horrible this pre season. It's preseason. I can tell Robert and Jay were testing the o-line. Notice how no NFL teams want Cousins, not even Kyle.[/quote]

You have spoken to every GM in the NFL?

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[quote=Lotus;1078803]Moses: sprained knee
Rak: sprained ankle
Minnifield: hammy
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/63933/redskins-ot-morgan-moses-sprains-knee]Washington Redskins OT Morgan Moses sprains knee - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Damn that Moses injury sucks.
Obviously not that big of a deal but that will keep him off the field for a while and I was hoping he would get a first string promotion before mid season.

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I think he's mentally out of synch. Confidence is everything (look at Shaub), and those split seconds of indecision are everything. His stutter step hesitation to Morris caused the interception.

I'd say we have the pieces now to compete, we may have a good enough defense to take us into the playoffs if our offense showed up.. Come on, if RG3 could just get the ball to ANYONE (morris, jackson, garcon, roberts, reed) -- we'd be fine. But he's running it out of bounds for losses (!!) and telegraphing passes. Personally I think he runs it out of bounds instead of throwing it away so his completion percentage doesn't suffer, which is sad.

I'm just hoping (1) O-line gets better as they play together enough (including M.Moses playing well enough to come in mid-season to solidify the right, (2) RG3 starts to be confident again & not lose games for us.


But.. it's only preseason. Let's see what happens.

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Funny when people choose to take Theismann seriously.

You can't make any direct comparison of how Cousins has played vs backups against how Griffin has played vs starters. Just ridiculous.

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EbWu7VI.png[/IMG]

Breakdown:

[url=http://imgur.com/a/yqNvK]preseason game 3 - Imgur[/url]

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Both Colt and Kirk played in pro-style offenses in college so they have more experience in the setup and reading defenses. RGIII is basically about 3-4 years behind those guys in terms of learning. To me, that's why when you get guys like Robert, you sit them for a year or two until they learn. Playing them too soon can crush their confidence and we've seen it time and time again.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078826]Funny when people choose to take Theismann seriously.

You can't make any direct comparison of how Cousins has played vs backups against how Griffin has played vs starters. Just ridiculous.[/quote]

This is true, although the Ravens didn't have their top three corners.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078814]Theismann has been to the training camp practices and has called the games. I think he's just backing up what the Patriots coaches and the beat reporter said. Are they all wrong on this?[/quote]

You can add to the list: Kyle and Mike Shanahan. Since both Cousins and Griffin were drafted both made multiple (as in many) comments about the exact same stuff. So for all those people, no I don't think [i]they're[/i] wrong.

But i think the local media (and even the national media) and fans thinking that their comments translate directly into letting Cousins start over Griffin or otherwise giving up on Griffin is what's wrong.

I've yet to see any evidence to think, and I've yet to hear anyone with any real credibility state, that Griffin cannot become the elite quarterback we all want.

But there's lots of people implying, some outright stating, that Griffin's already a bust and Cousins should be the go to guy. Which seems quite silly at this point.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078826]Funny when people choose to take Theismann seriously.

You can't make any direct comparison of how Cousins has played vs backups against how Griffin has played vs starters. Just ridiculous.[/quote]

Two more weeks of this, then it's finally over for the year.

Two more weeks...

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Let Cousins play and Gruden will be out a job real soon. Cousins sucks.

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I definitely don't think Griffin should start over Cousins... yet. This is going to be a very telling year.

I can't imagine that if he has abysmal stats this season that people won't start thinking he's a bust. If he can finish this season in the top 15 starting QBs, I'd say that's a successful year and will quiet the haters considering how straight up bad last season was.

Anything lower than that and I can't help but think the "RG3's a bum" folks will get even louder. The dude is healthy this year, he's had all off-season to practice without the brace and all pre-season to suck. He's got to shake that shit off and move forward.

We know he has the skills and the capability to deliver, he did it all in 2012. I hope he's not one those easily scared guys who talks a big game, then gets stage fright and weewees himself when it's time for his big solo.

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Rob Jackson got whacked.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1078838]Rob Jackson got whacked.[/quote]

Gonna make a new thread.

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It's so dumb how RG's mistakes are magnified and his visible progession as a pocket passer is minimized, while Cousins' mistakes are minimized and his big plays are magnified. It's like people want to hate our starter, which makes no sense.

So on that note, can we quit the "RG is a bust because he looked bad in a preseason game" crap? Until we see the Houston game, we won't have a good enough look at the guy to make fair judgements.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1078819]When the season starts he wont stand in that pocket while it collapses like an idiot. He Wont stand there and throw the ball up for luck like Andrew Luck. By the way Lick has looked horrible this pre season. It's preseason. I can tell Robert and Jay were testing the o-line. Notice how no NFL teams want Cousins, not even Kyle.[/quote]

This. I think Jay was also testing Griffin in the pocket. He said a few weeks ago how, in my words, he wouldn't mind if the team struggled at times in the preseason so that they would have the opportunity to work through adversity and all that good stuff.