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NC_Skins 09-15-2014 06:07 PM

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[quote=Skins4L;1083152]Ok we have a full fledge qb controversy when rg returns. Full fledge pressure on whoever starts. Strange days for skins fans right now, strangeee days.[/quote]

Kirk plays one good game and now we have a full fledged QB controversy? Have fans lost their minds? How about we temper this talk until we see Kirk's play until RGIII comes back.

skinsfan69 09-15-2014 06:25 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083231]Shoot, I forgot about Matich. He's the best, the absolute best, of the local former athletes. Maybe even beyond that. I love his analysis

I like Cooley more than I expected to. I think he explains things well

Mitchell is good, he's a friend so I'll recuse myself from a full analysis. But in short, I think he can speak well to the emotion of playing football and all the intangible stuff but not really an Xs and Os guys

[B]Doc has a very arrogant "if you don't play pro sports, your opinion doesn't matter" attitude and he refers to much to the "in my super bowl winning days" for my liking.
[/B]
Liz Clarke is outstanding. Does the research, asks the right questions. Tremendous addition to Washington Post's staff. Sometimes the smartest ones are the ones who know they don't know enough to presume.

Sheehan's obsession with bringing up Shanahan at every turn this season is wearing on me. Just move on already[/quote]

Back in the early 90's I met Doc during my bar manager days when we did a radio show with 980. I guess it was 570 back in those days. What an asshole. Arrogant, made rude jokes to the staff, I was shocked at how much of a dick he was. Never liked that guy after that.

tshile 09-15-2014 06:27 PM

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[quote=joeredskin;1083239]you also forgot sally jenkins.[/quote]

lol

tshile 09-15-2014 06:28 PM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083285]Kirk plays one good game and now we have a full fledged QB controversy? Have fans lost their minds? How about we temper this talk until we see Kirk's play until RGIII comes back.[/quote]

ding ding ding

SouperMeister 09-15-2014 06:30 PM

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[quote=skinsfan69;1083287]Back in the early 90's I met Doc during my bar manager days when we did a radio show with 980. I guess it was 570 back in those days. What an asshole. Arrogant, made rude jokes to the staff, I was shocked at how much of a dick he was. Never liked that guy after that.[/quote]I was disgusted with his "analysis" after the Houston loss on ESPN980's MMBQ. He basically was surly, and refused to give any meaningful analysis, saying that it was only warranted after a win. Really? As a fan, I'm much more interested in an expert's analysis after a loss, and on that day, Doc completely mailed it in. Total waste of a segment, for which I'm pretty certain that he collected a check.

Bangee7 09-15-2014 08:10 PM

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I was on the road for game #1, so this was the first that I got to see Keenan Robinson in a full game.....Wow, we got a keeper there! I honestly think he's the best LB we have from Texas and he doesn't cost $11M.

...and Hatcher, well he is a Man, plain & simple.

Also, I gotta give Tress Way some positive press for filling in on Kickoffs- he did great. And hats off to Forbath for kicking thru an injury.

I'm still not sold 100% n the O-line or Def secondary, but all other aspects are definitely on the rise.

Not often we put up 40 on a team!

Zerohero 09-15-2014 08:14 PM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083285]Kirk plays one good game and now we have a full fledged QB controversy? Have fans lost their minds? How about we temper this talk until we see Kirk's play until RGIII comes back.[/quote]

Do you honestly think RG3 will return to his rookie season form, has he shown you he can be just a pocket passer?

Its not just Cousins, the team needs a qb who can hand the ball off to Morris and get rid of the ball quickly to very talented receivers.

MTK 09-15-2014 08:18 PM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083285]Kirk plays one good game and now we have a full fledged QB controversy? Have fans lost their minds? How about we temper this talk until we see Kirk's play until RGIII comes back.[/quote]

A bad game or two from Cousins and people will be asking when Griff is coming back. lol

Dirtbag59 09-15-2014 08:21 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;1083319]A bad game or two from Cousins and people will be asking when Griff is coming back. lol[/quote]

Everytime Ovechkin has been out for the Caps with injury I've seen the same thing. Caps play a decent game or two without him and suddenly people are calling for trades. However once the team starts struggling, particularly during games you can't count the cries for Ovechkin to come back fast enough.

saden1 09-15-2014 08:36 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;1083319]A bad game or two from Cousins and people will be asking when Griff is coming back. lol[/quote]

At least Cousins can read beyond the first read...RG3 without any speed or escapability is about as worthless as it gets. People are still enamored with is 2012 performance instead of seeing him for what he has become...a hapless deer caught in a headlight.

This is football, next man up...if Cousins sucks, off with his head and onto the next one.


p.s. I hope I wasn't too trolly.

44Deezel 09-15-2014 09:04 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;1083319]A bad game or two from Cousins and people will be asking when Griff is coming back. lol[/quote]

Of course. Because everyone knows young QBs should be lighting the world on fire by their 5th career start. If not, they're clearly no better than a career backup.

If he doesn't have a few bad games, it would be almost unprecedented.

Zerohero 09-15-2014 09:22 PM

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[quote=saden1;1083328]At least Cousins can read beyond the first read...RG3 without any speed or escapability is about as worthless as it gets. People are still enamored with is 2012 performance instead of seeing him for what he has become...a hapless deer caught in a headlight.

[B]This is football, next man up...if Cousins sucks, off with his head and onto the next one[/B].


p.s. I hope I wasn't too trolly.[/quote]

People seem to miss this point, Cousins isn't the end all savior, but right now he is a better qb than RG3 before the latest injury. We spent all 2013 being patient and supportive of RG3. For now move on.

punch it in 09-15-2014 09:25 PM

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[QUOTE=44Deezel;1083343]Of course. Because everyone knows young QBs should be lighting the world on fire by their 5th career start. If not, they're clearly no better than a career backup.



If he doesn't have a few bad games, it would be almost unprecedented.[/QUOTE]


I would call this his second career start. The Cleveland game - his first start was meaningful and so is this game coming up. Last year was just garbage time on a sinking ship with a bunch of deflated players around him.

tshile 09-15-2014 10:14 PM

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yeah, the number of people pulling out cousins' 2013 stats as if those have any meaning is pretty funny.

FRPLG 09-15-2014 10:49 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083214]Chris Cooley, Brian Mitchell, Scott Jackson, Liz Clarke, for starters[/quote]

I second this list. As far as other reporters Keim and tandler too have been mentioned. I like Sheehan well enough but Czaban let slip this morning that Sheehan was a Cousins guy. Sometimes reporters find the story they want.

SmootSmack 09-16-2014 01:12 AM

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[quote=skinsfan69;1083287]Back in the early 90's I met Doc during my bar manager days when we did a radio show with 980. I guess it was 570 back in those days. What an asshole. Arrogant, made rude jokes to the staff, I was shocked at how much of a dick he was. Never liked that guy after that.[/quote]

Yeah I worked with him a few times, flat out rude to everyone around him not wearing a Super Bowl ring...so basically everyone but Charles Mann.

Chico23231 09-16-2014 10:06 AM

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Redskins waived S Bacarri Rambo.

It's music to the ears of Redskins fans. Rambo has been a disaster in coverage through the first two weeks, allowing DeAndre Hopkins to go for a 76-yard TD in Week 1 and taking a bad angle on Marcedes Lewis that led to a 69-yard score in Week 2. Brandon Meriweather is now off suspension and ready to reclaim the starting gig

per rotoworld.


no surprise

punch it in 09-16-2014 10:11 AM

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I hope the door does hit him where the good lord split him

DynamiteRave 09-16-2014 10:12 AM

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What a wasted draft pick, especially with other options available. Ah well, good riddance.

MTK 09-16-2014 10:26 AM

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;1083403]Sometimes reporters find the story they want.[/QUOTE]


Just like fans.

punch it in 09-16-2014 10:33 AM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1083523]Just like fans.[/QUOTE]


So if im hearing you correctly you are saying you are better than everyone else? ;)

MTK 09-16-2014 10:37 AM

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1083525]So if im hearing you correctly you are saying you are better than everyone else? ;)[/QUOTE]


I'm a fan so I'm not excluding myself.

punch it in 09-16-2014 10:38 AM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1083526]I'm a fan so I'm not excluding myself.[/QUOTE]


I was just running with the theme and finding the story i wanted. :)

WillH 09-16-2014 11:25 AM

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I guess they must like what they see in Ihenacho so far. God knows Merriweather will sit some games.

SirLK26 09-16-2014 11:31 AM

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Call me naive, but I honestly didn't think Rambo would be cut this soon. He had two really bad plays, but Haslett had talked about how outside of those, he'd played really well. I figured that would be enough to keep him around.

That said, I do think it's good he was cut. There shouldn't be a spot on any roster for a backup safety who gives up huge plays in relief and doesn't play special teams. His strength was supposed to be ball skills, but on that touchdown to Mercedes Lewis, he showed anything but ball skills.

Lotus 09-16-2014 11:37 AM

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Rambo must get psyched out on game days. There's no way that he held a roster spot for so long if he plays in practice like he does in games.

I wish him well...on another roster.

tshile 09-16-2014 11:52 AM

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I had high hopes for rambo but the warning signs were big and they were there early.

Multiple personal fouls for late hits, including hits way out of bounds, in preseason. Bad angles. Looking lost in coverage.

All mental mistakes. Those can be fixable, but the gap between where Rambo was and where he needed to be was just too large. He was benched last season too.

Shame is that he had so much physical ability. He could have been good. But you can't fix stupid, and this team doesn't have a place for long term long shot projects anymore.

Chico23231 09-16-2014 12:01 PM

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Im really surprised someone has come on to bash Rambo and give us a told you so

calia 09-16-2014 01:22 PM

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I wonder whether Rambo will be an addition to the practice squad. Hard to imagine anyone else will be scrambling to sign him right now. And to the point someone earlier made, Haslett said he played well outside of two bad (really, horrifically bad -- let's be honest) plays. Not lobbying for this -- just wondering.

SmootSmack 09-16-2014 01:35 PM

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[quote=calia;1083575]I wonder whether Rambo will be an addition to the practice squad. Hard to imagine anyone else will be scrambling to sign him right now. And to the point someone earlier made, Haslett said he played well outside of two bad (really, horrifically bad -- let's be honest) plays. Not lobbying for this -- just wondering.[/quote]

Not in the plans

Defensewins 09-16-2014 01:54 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083580]Not in the plans[/quote]

Wow, Haslett sending a strong message.
Nachos please!
Merriweather better learn to not lead his the crown of his head when tackling.

tshile 09-16-2014 03:45 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1083555]Im really surprised someone has come on to bash Rambo and give us a told you so[/quote]

sometimes it's just about sharing opinions, not trying to be chesty.

i know it's hard to think that way, it requires not prejudging and being willing to take comments at face value. something that seems to be hard to find on the internet these days.

donofriose 09-16-2014 03:58 PM

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[quote=tshile;1083551]I had high hopes for rambo but the warning signs were big and they were there early.

Multiple personal fouls for late hits, including hits way out of bounds, in preseason. Bad angles. Looking lost in coverage.

All mental mistakes. Those can be fixable, but the gap between where Rambo was and where he needed to be was just too large. He was benched last season too.

Shame is that he had so much physical ability. He could have been good. But you can't fix stupid, and this team doesn't have a place for long term long shot projects anymore.[/quote]

I always thought he was an average athlete with average physical ability, at least for NFL players.

tshile 09-16-2014 04:08 PM

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[quote=donofriose;1083612]I always thought he was an average athlete with average physical ability, at least for NFL players.[/quote]

I'm about the furthest thing from a college scout as it gets, so you may be right :)

I always thought people referred to him as being quite an athlete.

Oh well, it doesn't matter now :)

tshile 09-16-2014 06:54 PM

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How we get to see more of these this year :)
[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/EXCLUSIVE-Jay-Grudens-Locker-Room-Speech/bc176e74-9265-4b4b-b71e-92937882cd25]EXCLUSIVE: Jay Gruden's Locker Room Speech[/url]

CRedskinsRule 09-16-2014 09:35 PM

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[quote=tshile;1083646]How we get to see more of these this year :)
[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/EXCLUSIVE-Jay-Grudens-Locker-Room-Speech/bc176e74-9265-4b4b-b71e-92937882cd25]EXCLUSIVE: Jay Gruden's Locker Room Speech[/url][/quote]

Well it wasn't a hip hip hooray moment, but it was pretty good.

Zerohero 09-16-2014 10:19 PM

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[quote=Defensewins;1083585]Wow, Haslett sending a strong message.
Nachos please!
Merriweather better learn to not lead his the crown of his head when tackling.[/quote]

His last suspension came off a play where he led with shoulder and receiver ducked into him. No matter how he tackles now he will be focused by officials.

Chico23231 09-16-2014 10:23 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1083670]Well it wasn't a hip hip hooray moment, but it was pretty good.[/quote]

And then Dan showed up...

SouperMeister 09-17-2014 12:01 AM

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[quote=punch it in;1083015]Only thing i keep thinking about Griff is how awkward he is. Its weird. He is an unbelievable athlete, but when he is running, jumping, sliding, it is awkward as hell. He has these unnatural motions that a non athlete would have. He is fast but so not graceful. Andrew Luck made a similar bootleg jump pass last week and looked like Derek Jeter fielding a ball and making the throw to first all in one motion. Griff tries it and lands funny and hurts his ankle. Wtf?[/quote]Watch the play again. He didn't hurt himself on the landing. His left ankle dislocated when he cut sharply upfield to avoid the LB, then he took one more step and jumped from his right foot, then threw the pass. I believe that he jumped to avoid taking another step on his left foot. Watch the replay again, and I'm sure you will see that play differently. It was actually rather athletic, that he threw an accurate pass, and avoided landing on the injured ankle.

punch it in 09-17-2014 02:51 AM

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;1083696]Watch the play again. He didn't hurt himself on the landing. His left ankle dislocated when he cut sharply upfield to avoid the LB, then he took one more step and jumped from his right foot, then threw the pass. I believe that he jumped to avoid taking another step on his left foot. Watch the replay again, and I'm sure you will see that play differently. It was actually rather athletic, that he threw an accurate pass, and avoided landing on the injured ankle.[/QUOTE]


Yeah he hurt it going up - my bad on the wording but the rest of my statement still stands imo.


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