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[quote=JoeRedskin;1094740]Steve Young gets his information straight from Shanahan's mouth.

Griffin has a lot of issues, working hard has never been one of them.[/quote]

I've said this before here, but why doesn't that concern us more? Should it?

I mean, no one (aside from Young and Shanahan it seems in this ridiculous back/forth he and RG3 still have) believes that Griffin isn't working hard, studying film, etc.

But if you're working that hard. If you're spending 12 hours at the facility daily on a regular basis..and you still can't grasp basic fundamentals?! I mean, that to me is kind of a big deal

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094744]I've said this before here, but why doesn't that concern us more? Should it?

I mean, no one (aside from Young and Shanahan it seems in this ridiculous back/forth he and RG3 still have) believes that Griffin isn't working hard, studying film, etc.

But if you're working that hard. If you're spending 12 hours at the facility daily on a regular basis..and you still can't grasp basic fundamentals?! I mean, that to me is kind of a big deal[/quote]

Yup. It reveals a lot about who RGIII is as a person. And the truth ain't pretty.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094744]I've said this before here, but why doesn't that concern us more? Should it?

I mean, no one (aside from Young and Shanahan it seems in this ridiculous back/forth he and RG3 still have) believes that Griffin isn't working hard, studying film, etc.

But if you're working that hard. If you're spending 12 hours at the facility daily on a regular basis..and you still can't grasp basic fundamentals?! I mean, that to me is kind of a big deal[/quote]

I agree, it should. The critique, however, that he doesn't work hard or put in the time is simply wrong and misdirects the focus. He may be "football stupid", but he is not lazy. If he is working hard, however, he should be moving on and improving.

Patrick Ramsey worked really hard, had a big time arm and was a really smart guy by all accounts. It didn't matter, however, because he was slower than molasses in winter in every aspect of the game. On top of that, despite being a smart guy in the objective sense, Ramsey was the epitome of "football stupid." When he finally bounced out of the league, he was still making the same mistakes he made in his rookie year - even though he worked hard everywhere he went.

I am holding out hope for Griffin. Maybe he just hasn't had the right teacher. Maybe this latest blunt call out by Gruden is a wake up call. Maybe he sees the light, stops looking for the bigger play, and it all starts clicking. I sincerely hope so 'cause I really, really like the guy.

But like Lotus said, a three step drop should NOT be that difficult to learn.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1094745]Yup. It reveals a lot about who RGIII is as a person. And the truth ain't pretty.[/QUOTE]


It reveals who he is as a QB, not a person imo.
Edit: if im correct Smoots concern is the kid is a student of the game who practices tirelessly but isnt producing on the field. Great characteristics. Great work ethic. Good guy. Bad QB.

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[quote=Lotus;1094745]Yup. It reveals a lot about who RGIII is as a person. And the truth ain't pretty.[/quote]

Maybe it's an IQ thing, not a character thing?

But what should happen now, should the franchise mold an offense around RG's abilities, or give him rest of the season to learn Gruden's offense and if he can't, cut the chord?

It's not an obvious answer. RG hasn't showed enough promise to bet the offense/franchise on him again, but Gruden has (never) showed enough offensive genius or leadership to deserve the reigns either.

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I dont think it is a character thing and I certainly do not think it is an IQ thing. I dont know if alot of us fans are trying to see RG-3 in some sort of negative light so that it is easier to accept what is quickly becoming a failed attempt to rite the ship by hanging our hats on the man?
All I know is he stays out of trouble. Seems to be a nice kid from a nice family. He is a hard worker. He is smart. He is a world class athlete. He simply does not seem to have the ability to play QB the way he needs to. Its sad. It's literally frightening for a fan, but its that simple. No need to try and throw fuel on the drama fire and make it anything more than that.

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What if we didn't accidentally get DeSean Jackson? I don't think Roberts is that player that takes the top off of defenses.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1094747]I agree, it should. The critique, however, that he doesn't work hard or put in the time is simply wrong and misdirects the focus. He may be "football stupid", but he is not lazy. If he is working hard, however, he should be moving on and improving.

Patrick Ramsey worked really hard, had a big time arm and was a really smart guy by all accounts. It didn't matter, however, because he was slower than molasses in winter in every aspect of the game. On top of that, despite being a smart guy in the objective sense, Ramsey was the epitome of "football stupid." When he finally bounced out of the league, he was still making the same mistakes he made in his rookie year - even though he worked hard everywhere he went.

I am holding out hope for Griffin. Maybe he just hasn't had the right teacher. Maybe this latest blunt call out by Gruden is a wake up call. Maybe he sees the light, stops looking for the bigger play, and it all starts clicking. I sincerely hope so 'cause I really, really like the guy.

But like Lotus said, a three step drop should NOT be that difficult to learn.[/quote]
I truly think we have seen signs of progress from Griffin, there were at least a handful of plays where he moved in the pocket and kept his eyes downfield, and you can see he is thinking about protecting himself, going through his reads etc, the question is if it can click under pressure, and I really hope that Gruden knows Griffin well enough now, that he's using this to push him along. I know there is a LOT of weeping, moaning and gnashing of teeth, in fact I did my share Sunday, But, this is what it looks like when a coach is training a quarterback. He's putting him in the game situations, and hopefully using the tape of game footage to go through the situations. Remember, in my opinion, the Shanahans never really accepted the challenge of training him, they just reverted to the RO as the primary system.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1094753]I truly think we have seen signs of progress from Griffin, there were at least a handful of plays where he moved in the pocket and kept his eyes downfield, and you can see he is thinking about protecting himself, going through his reads etc, the question is if it can click under pressure, and I really hope that Gruden knows Griffin well enough now, that he's using this to push him along. I know there is a LOT of weeping, moaning and gnashing of teeth, in fact I did my share Sunday, But, this is what it looks like when a coach is training a quarterback. He's putting him in the game situations, and hopefully using the tape of game footage to go through the situations. Remember, in my opinion,[B] the Shanahans never really accepted the challenge of training him, they just reverted to the RO as the primary system[/B].[/quote]

I agree.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1094747]I agree, it should. The critique, however, that he doesn't work hard or put in the time is simply wrong and misdirects the focus. He may be "football stupid", but he is not lazy. If he is working hard, however, he should be moving on and improving.

Patrick Ramsey worked really hard, had a big time arm and was a really smart guy by all accounts. It didn't matter, however, because he was slower than molasses in winter in every aspect of the game. On top of that, despite being a smart guy in the objective sense, Ramsey was the epitome of "football stupid." When he finally bounced out of the league, he was still making the same mistakes he made in his rookie year - even though he worked hard everywhere he went.

I am holding out hope for Griffin. Maybe he just hasn't had the right teacher. Maybe this latest blunt call out by Gruden is a wake up call. Maybe he sees the light, stops looking for the bigger play, and it all starts clicking. I sincerely hope so 'cause I really, really like the guy.

But like Lotus said, a three step drop should NOT be that difficult to learn.[/quote]

According to media "sources", Robert is a tireless worker in the weight room. Not the film room.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/gruden-pleased-morgan-moses-play]Gruden pleased with Morgan Moses' play | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1094761]According to media "sources", Robert is a tireless worker in the weight room. Not the film room.[/QUOTE]


Yeah i remember hearing that too. Wonder how much truth there is to that?

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When did any reliable source come out and say he doesn't put in the work in the film room??

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Someone either referenced the source or posted the article on here somewhere.

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[quote=Mattyk;1094766]When did any reliable source come out and say he doesn't put in the work in the film room??[/quote]

Had a day off today and Been streaming pretty much all day the ESPN 980 in DC. All they have discussed is Robert. It has been mentioned as "sources inside Ashburn" fwiw. Cannot really attest to the accuracy.

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[quote=Hog1;1094768]Had a day off today and Been streaming pretty much all day the ESPN 980 in DC. All they have discussed is Robert. It has been mentioned as "sources inside Ashburn" fwiw. Cannot really attest to the accuracy.[/quote]

Like I said, where's the reliable sources.

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As I said, I cannot attest to accuracy. But by appearances, he went to a smart kids school, graduated in 3 years. I would REALLY rather believe that he does not study enough rather than cannot grasp basic offense?

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I don't think the film room is the problem. I think transitioning what he sees on film to the game field is his problem right now.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1094773]As I said, I cannot attest to accuracy. But by appearances, he went to a smart kids school, graduated in 3 years. I would REALLY rather believe that he does not study enough rather than cannot grasp basic offense?[/QUOTE]


The WCO is not basic. Either way though understanding the offense and bringing it to life in a game are two totally different things. Im sure he grasps the offense, but again that (unfortunately for us fans) doesnt mean he can run it.

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[QUOTE=donofriose;1094774]I don't think the film room is the problem. I think transitioning what he sees on film to the game field is his problem right now.[/QUOTE]


Bingo

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I honestly never heard anyone legit come out and say he's not putting in the work. In fact I've only heard the [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/04/08/redskins-mailbag-rgiiis-work-ethic-piecing-the-puzzle-together-and-more/"]opposite[/URL].

I know everyone wants to keep saying he's in year 3 and he should be getting it by now. Yeah he's in year 3, but he's only started 3 games this year.

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Well, I think the appropriate phrase would be he needs to get his shit together. He is a supremely gifted athlete and a smart guy. In fairness he is by far our best hope at QB greatness and as far as I am concerned, he has this season to demonstrate that he is the leader of this team and.......the player we gave up sooo much for

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A lot of guys need to get their shit together.

Sunday was a collective bad effort all around.

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[quote=Mattyk;1094777]I honestly never heard anyone legit come out and say he's not putting in the work. In fact I've only heard the [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/04/08/redskins-mailbag-rgiiis-work-ethic-piecing-the-puzzle-together-and-more/"]opposite[/URL].

I know everyone wants to keep saying he's in year 3 and he should be getting it by now. Yeah he's in year 3, but he's only started 3 games this year.[/quote]

I hear you and it may be cleverly hidden Shananigans.... Who knows
For me he just need to start a reasonable schedule of improvement
Seeing the field
Dumping the ball
Pocket awareness...etc
But it would not hurt my feelings if he would lay off the social everything for while.

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[quote=Hog1;1094773]As I said, I cannot attest to accuracy. But by appearances, he went to a smart kids school, graduated in 3 years. I would REALLY rather believe that he does not study enough rather than cannot grasp basic offense?[/quote]

He was at school 4 years. He only played football 3 years. One year he was a redshirt sophomore, because of his first ACL injury, but he did attend school. He still had a year of eligibility though.

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[quote=Hog1;1094768]Had a day off today and Been streaming pretty much all day the ESPN 980 in DC. All they have discussed is Robert. It has been mentioned as "sources inside Ashburn" fwiw. Cannot really attest to the accuracy.[/quote]

I'll bet I know who it is

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[quote=Mattyk;1094777]I honestly never heard anyone legit come out and say he's not putting in the work. In fact I've only heard the [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/04/08/redskins-mailbag-rgiiis-work-ethic-piecing-the-puzzle-together-and-more/"]opposite[/URL].

[B]I know everyone wants to keep saying he's in year 3 and he should be getting it by now. Yeah he's in year 3, but he's only started 3 games this year.[/B][/quote]

He's started 3 games this year, got no offseason last year, was playing a pocket QB offense his first year, played a college spread offense for three years before that.

There are lots of reasons for his development to be slowed. At the same time, keep coming back to "It's a 3 step drop."

I am hopeful but am really beginning to get worried he may not make the transition.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094795]I'll bet I know who it is[/quote]

You're such a damn tease.

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Whatever it is, he looks bad out there. We can talk all we want about what it might be, but to me it seems he has definitely regressed from his rookie year. I can't recall him having trouble with 3 step drops 2 years ago. It kinda feels like he just can't handle the pressure, both literally and figuratively. And if that's what it is, hopefully we know soon enough. I'd rather move on than waste another 2 years wondering if he can get his shit together.

I feel bad for RG3 but at the same time we don't have any other options than saying "time to nut up or shut up." He is just another piece on an overall shitty team. If he is as bad as he looks right now, I don't see how we aren't going to be set back for a few more years, because I haven't seen anything out of this front office/scouting dept. that says they will be able to get us out of this shitstorm. I guess it's time to strap in, because it looks like we're in this for the long haul.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1094798]You're such a damn tease.[/quote]

I mean does it really matter?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094800]I mean does it really matter?[/quote]

Kinda wish we didn't have so many leaks adding to the drama

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094800]I mean does it really matter?[/quote]

No - but, of course, it then begs the question: Does matter that you think you know who it is? ;)

The fact it is happening is just another symptom of the dysfunction that is Redskins Park. <sigh>

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094795]I'll bet I know who it is[/quote]

Is he the same guy that wanted to pay this overrated free agent bust: [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/18/steelers-are-miffed-at-mike-mitchell-again/]Steelers are miffed at Mike Mitchell, again | ProFootballTalk[/url]

This guy has been terrible for Pittsburg but heard we made a decent offer to. I think our talent evaulation in the front has been poor. Luavao too?

Maybe if folks in the front office would do their jobs and put in some work to change things for the positive instead of acting like females leaking crap to the media...

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[quote=Chico23231;1094803]Is he the same guy that wanted to pay this overrated free agent bust: [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/18/steelers-are-miffed-at-mike-mitchell-again/]Steelers are miffed at Mike Mitchell, again | ProFootballTalk[/url]

This guy has been terrible for Pittsburg but heard we made a decent offer to. I think our talent evaulation in the front has been poor. Luavao too?[/quote]

I don't know who wanted to pay for him

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1094797]He's started 3 games this year, got no offseason last year, was playing a pocket QB offense his first year, played a college spread offense for three years before that.



There are lots of reasons for his development to be slowed. At the same time, keep coming back to "It's a 3 step drop."



I am hopeful but am really beginning to get worried he may not make the transition.[/QUOTE]


Its a three step drop and a quick release but Griff doesnt trust himself. So..,he takes more steps- its not that he cant count. That would be a red flag though for sure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1094803]Is he the same guy that wanted to pay this overrated free agent bust: [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/18/steelers-are-miffed-at-mike-mitchell-again/]Steelers are miffed at Mike Mitchell, again | ProFootballTalk[/url]

This guy has been terrible for Pittsburg but heard we made a decent offer to. I think our talent evaulation in the front has been poor. Luavao too?

Maybe if folks in the front office would do their jobs and put in some work to change things for the positive instead of acting like females leaking crap to the media...[/quote]

Why you gotta knock females? What did DynamiteRave ever do to you?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094804]I don't know who wanted to pay for him[/quote]

Ryan Clark? Things need to change in the front office.

Keeping haslet around has been another epic failure. Who is the dipshit that sold idea as a good?nReeks of Danny boy

It's very frustrating watching this team destroy itself from the inside out

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[quote=Chico23231;1094807]Ryan Clark? Things need to change in the front office.

Keeping haslet around has been another epic failure. Who is the dipshit that sold idea as a good? [B]Reeks of Danny boy[/B]

It's very frustrating watching this team destroy itself from the inside out[/quote]

Haslett was Gruden's mentor. If anything, I'm sure Gruden had a lot of say in this.

I know everyone is pissed, but I have yet to see anything credible that says that Snyder has mettle in the affairs of the team since Shanny/Allen came on board.

The whole F Snyder stuff is getting old IMO.

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[quote=Mattyk;1094780]A lot of guys need to get their shit together.

Sunday was a collective bad effort all around.[/quote]

Except maybe for the wide receivers who were running wide open all day. Although they could have done a better job of hiding their frustration.

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[quote=over the mountain;1094718]cooley film breakdown should be today and tomorrow at 5 sharp. im not sure if he is doing offense or defense today.

Wish they would move it back to like 5:30 or 6 when i leave work.

weeks ago cooley said RG3 has it. he can read a defense, see the field, he can do it all .. he just needs to trust his receivers and let it go.

should be an interesting listen today and tomorrow.[/quote]

He couldn't rate anyone else on Offense because RG3 was so bad, and he basically destroyed RG3. On one play, he said a high school coach would be pissed at what RG3 did. Does it get worse than that? He's making mistakes that wouldn't be tolerated for a High school QB? Dayum!