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Speaking of bad franchises: [url=http://grantland.com/the-triangle/daniel-snyder-washington-redskins/]The Book of Daniel «[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1099218]I've totally lost track of this thread, but Snyder has paid millions over the years for coaches not to be here[/quote]

He has but I don't ever remembering him eating 20 million. That's a lot of coin to pay to make someone go away. Gruden's in the drivers seat and he knows it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099246]He has but I don't ever remembering him eating 20 million. That's a lot of coin to pay to make someone go away. Gruden's in the drivers seat and he knows it.[/quote]

To you, I doubt Dan. Plus he has already paid one year of it down.
Imagine being Gruden. Get fired and still get 16m over the next 4 years.

Plus if Gruden keeps putting this trash out for 4 years, Danny would lose a lot more then 20m because of lost revenue.

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[quote=mredskins;1099247]To you, I doubt Dan. Plus he has already paid one year of it down.
Imagine being Gruden. Get fired and still get 16m over the next 4 years.

Plus if Gruden keeps putting this trash out for 4 years, Danny would lose a lot more then 20m because of lost revenue.[/quote]

Isn't his contract 5 million per year?

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As was pointed out many months ago, the Gruden contract problem is what you get when, unlike every other team, you give a first-time HC a guaranteed long-term contract.

Perhaps some day we will throw intelligence, rather than money, at problems.

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[quote=mredskins;1099247]
Plus if Gruden keeps putting this trash out for 4 years, Danny would lose a lot more then 20m because of lost revenue.[/quote]

People keep saying this. It's a statement based on no fact whatsoever, it's nothing but conjecture. We've had plenty of losing seasons but think about how you feel the next August, you're hanging on every moment of every preseason game thirsting for real football, wishfully believing that this year will be better.

We will still sell out games. People will still fill the stadium until it is very late in the season and they're out of it. We are a loyal (foolish?) bunch. We can't help but get caught up in the excitement and anticipation.

We are not a fair weather fan base, the revenue stream will be fine.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099250]Isn't his contract 5 million per year?[/quote]

5 years × 4 million equals 20 million

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[quote=Schneed10;1099253]People keep saying this. It's a statement based on no fact whatsoever, it's nothing but conjecture. We've had plenty of losing seasons but think about how you feel the next August, you're hanging on every moment of every preseason game thirsting for real football, wishfully believing that this year will be better.

We will still sell out games. People will still fill the stadium until it is very late in the season and they're out of it. We are a loyal (foolish?) bunch. We can't help but get caught up in the excitement and anticipation.

We are not a fair weather fan base, the revenue stream will be fine.[/quote]

I agree but I also don't think Danny won't feel any fiscal pain in firing Gruden

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[quote=mredskins;1099255]I agree but I also don't think Danny won't feel any fiscal pain in firing Gruden[/quote]

Well I'm just going off recent actions. He tried to get Shanahan to resign so he wouldn't have to pay his salary this year, and they decided to keep Haslett and some other coaches on the staff. You telling me those decisions weren't at least in part fiscally motivated?

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I hate Hazlett, he needs to go.
Boycott.

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Don't know if this has been posted on here but it doesn't sound like we'd be on the hook for a whole lot if he finds another gig, even as a coordinator.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2294231-insider-buzz-contract-could-entice-redskins-to-fire-gruden-instead-of-cut-rg3]Insider Buzz: Contract Could Entice Redskins to Fire Gruden Instead of Cut RG3 | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1099256]Well I'm just going off recent actions. He tried to get Shanahan to resign so he wouldn't have to pay his salary this year, and they decided to keep Haslett and some other coaches on the staff. You telling me those decisions weren't at least in part fiscally motivated?[/quote]

I think his pride had more to do with it then his money. He wanted MS to feel some pain as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1099137]Trying to find out more, have heard though that Allen's on really thin ice. Basically it's just Snyder keeping him employed. Ultimately it's his call, but the other owners are applying pressure. They've gotten others fired before[/quote]Wouldnt the other owners love Allen to stay? So the Washington team keeps sucking?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099261]Wouldnt the other owners love Allen to stay? So the Washington team keeps sucking?[/quote]

Owners of the Redskins... Snyder is a majority owner. I think the Fedex guy is one of the other owners as well.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;1099258]Don't know if this has been posted on here but it doesn't sound like we'd be on the hook for a whole lot if he finds another gig, even as a coordinator.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2294231-insider-buzz-contract-could-entice-redskins-to-fire-gruden-instead-of-cut-rg3]Insider Buzz: Contract Could Entice Redskins to Fire Gruden Instead of Cut RG3 | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

This is the best Redskins news for several weeks.

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[quote=donofriose;1099262]Owners of the Redskins... Snyder is a majority owner. I think the Fedex guy is one of the other owners as well.[/quote]

Fred Smith of Fed Ex is no longer a minority owner. I believe the others are Dwight Scharr and a guy named Rothman. Michelle Snyder may be one as well.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099268]Fred Smith of Fed Ex is no longer a minority owner. I believe the others are Dwight Scharr and a guy named Rothman. Michelle Snyder may be one as well.[/quote]

I thought I had heard something about ownership changing.

Snyder still basically owns the team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099268]Fred Smith of Fed Ex is no longer a minority owner. I believe the others are Dwight Scharr and a guy named Rothman. Michelle Snyder may be one as well.[/quote]

Since when is he no longer a minority owner?

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;1099258]Don't know if this has been posted on here but it doesn't sound like we'd be on the hook for a whole lot if he finds another gig, even as a coordinator.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2294231-insider-buzz-contract-could-entice-redskins-to-fire-gruden-instead-of-cut-rg3]Insider Buzz: Contract Could Entice Redskins to Fire Gruden Instead of Cut RG3 | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Well this definitely changes things in my mind.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1099270]Since when is he no longer a minority owner?[/quote]

I believe Fred Smith left a while ago. I could be wrong.

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The right leader can change attitudes in a couple weeks, culture in a couple months and the whole team in a couple years. Gotta find that guy.

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[quote=Schneed10;1099272]Well this definitely changes things in my mind.[/quote]

If this is correct, Cole is literally the only one that has this. I've talked to about - half dozen local beat reporters and columnists and some national guys, and everyone says this is incorrect

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099274]I believe Fred Smith left a while ago. I could be wrong.[/quote]

Maybe you're thinking of when he was considering a bid to buy the Jaguars. Still with the Skins though

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I think trading or cutting RGIII could be a disaster for this franchise. Robert is only 24 years old and, in the past, he has been able to recover fully from major injuries. He is clearly a very intelligent young man and he works hard. Now, he has been humbled and he knows that he a lot to learn about playing QB in the NFL.

You have a young man who could come back next year fully restored to health with all of the physical gifts with which he entered the NFL. If he is motivated to get better over the off-season (and he'd better be), he could come back with a much better understanding of the offense in which he is playing and improved mechanics. This is a player you want on your team.

Reluctantly, I have to admit that for RGIII to have a chance to become a very good QB for the Skins in the near future, the Skins need to retain Jay Gruden and let Robert develop in the same offense for the next few years.

I think Bruce Allen should make it crystal clear to both Jay and Robert that, like it or not, they will both be here next season, that it is still Jay's job to develop Robert, and it is still Robert's job to learn everything he possibly can about [U]this[/U] offense and how to be a pocket passer. Robert should also be told that it is his responsibility to [U]earn[/U] his way back on the field and that he is expected to do whatever it takes to make that happen by the opening game of 2015.

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So how many weeks do you give Griff next year if he still looks like a lost puppy on the field?


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1099297]I think trading or cutting RGIII could be a disaster for this franchise. Robert is only 24 years old and, in the past, he has been able to recover fully from major injuries. He is clearly a very intelligent young man and he works hard. Now, he has been humbled and he knows that he a lot to learn about playing QB in the NFL.

You have a young man who could come back next year fully restored to health with all of the physical gifts with which he entered the NFL. If he is motivated to get better over the off-season (and he'd better be), he could come back with a much better understanding of the offense in which he is playing and improved mechanics. This is a player you want on your team.

Reluctantly, I have to admit that for RGIII to have a chance to become a very good QB for the Skins in the near future, the Skins need to retain Jay Gruden and let Robert develop in the same offense for the next few years.

I think Bruce Allen should make it crystal clear to both Jay and Robert that, like it or not, they will both be here next season, that it is still Jay's job to develop Robert, and it is still Robert's job to learn everything he possibly can about [U]this[/U] offense and how to be a pocket passer. Robert should also be told that it is his responsibility to [U]earn[/U] his way back on the field and that he is expected to do whatever it takes to make that happen by the opening game of 2015.[/quote]

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail during the offseason. I do agree it's too early to give up on him, he's still under contract, so continue to develop him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1099297]I think trading or cutting RGIII could be a disaster for this franchise. Robert is only 24 years old and, in the past, he has been able to recover fully from major injuries. He is clearly a very intelligent young man and he works hard. Now, he has been humbled and he knows that he a lot to learn about playing QB in the NFL.

You have a young man who could come back next year fully restored to health with all of the physical gifts with which he entered the NFL. If he is motivated to get better over the off-season (and he'd better be), he could come back with a much better understanding of the offense in which he is playing and improved mechanics. This is a player you want on your team.

Reluctantly, I have to admit that for RGIII to have a chance to become a very good QB for the Skins in the near future, the Skins need to retain Jay Gruden and let Robert develop in the same offense for the next few years.

I think Bruce Allen should make it crystal clear to both Jay and Robert that, like it or not, they will both be here next season, that it is still Jay's job to develop Robert, and it is still Robert's job to learn everything he possibly can about [U]this[/U] offense and how to be a pocket passer. Robert should also be told that it is his responsibility to [U]earn[/U] his way back on the field and that he is expected to do whatever it takes to make that happen by the opening game of 2015.[/quote]I don't understand why Cousins isn't even in the picture now. Yeah, he throws a lot of picks. Young pocket passer QBs tend to do that. Luck throws a lot of picks, for example. The team hasn't caught fire with McCoy since the Dallass game. Is Gruden through with Cousins as much as Griffin? Is it the talk that Cousins was throwing team mates under the bus too?

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[quote=punch it in;1099319]So how many weeks do you give Griff next year if he still looks like a lost puppy on the field? [/quote]

I would hope that would be up to the coach. In fact, I think it should be up to the coach whether or not Robert plays at all.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1099323]I would hope that would be up to the coach. In fact, I think it should be up to the coach if Robert plays at all but I don't see why Jay Gruden wouldn't play RGIII if Robert gives the team the best chance of winning.[/QUOTE]


Well of course it is up to the Redskins and not the fans, lol. Maybe you meant up to the coach as opposed the owner. Either way I am just curious what your personal take would be. Since 2012 I dont think Robert gives anybody the best chance to win. Imo if he is the starter next year and he looks as inept as he has this year in week one than it is officially time for him to be done.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.

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[quote=punch it in;1099324]Well of course it is up to the Redskins and not the fans, lol. Maybe you meant up to the coach as opposed the owner. Either way I am just curious what your personal take would be. Since 2012 I dont think Robert gives anybody the best chance to win. Imo if he is the starter next year and he looks as inept as he has this year in week one than it is officially time for him to be done.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.[/quote]

I said it should be up to the HC, meaning not the owner. If the coaches do all they can to help RGIII and he still is unable to perform well enough to start, then I think it's on Robert and the Redskins should part ways with him prior to the 2016 season.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099322]I don't understand why Cousins isn't even in the picture now. Yeah, he throws a lot of picks. Young pocket passer QBs tend to do that. Luck throws a lot of picks, for example. The team hasn't caught fire with McCoy since the Dallass game. Is Gruden through with Cousins as much as Griffin? Is it the talk that Cousins was throwing team mates under the bus too?[/quote]

He should be in the picture. He should be developed, as well.

I get he impression from some things I've read that Gruden thinks Kirk isn't mentally tough enough, by NFL standards. Gruden seems to be a hard man when it comes to QB's. I just hope that he doesn't write off either Robert or Kirk too soon.

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This is the most disappointing thing I've seen all year.
[url=http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/12/04/the-hottest-nfl-wag-from-every-team/?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=Title2]The Hottest NFL WAG From Every Team | RantSports[/url]

They aren't ranked but it's clear we are in last place.

We need to bring Cooley back just to get this ranking up, he always was attached to a stunner.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1099328]He should be in the picture. He should be developed, as well.

I get he impression from some things I've read that Gruden thinks Kirk isn't mentally tough enough, by NFL standards. Gruden seems to be a hard man when it comes to QB's. I just hope that he doesn't write off either Robert or Kirk too soon.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it is a good thing to have a head coach that has high standards for his qb. Dalton seemed to do what Gruden needed him to do. Maybe our guys just really aren't the "right" guys. Not that I want to spend a first rounder on the qb position but we will be high enough in the second that if Gruden sees his guy there than get him and throw him in the mix.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099322]I don't understand why Cousins isn't even in the picture now. Yeah, he throws a lot of picks. Young pocket passer QBs tend to do that. Luck throws a lot of picks, for example. The team hasn't caught fire with McCoy since the Dallass game. Is Gruden through with Cousins as much as Griffin? Is it the talk that Cousins was throwing team mates under the bus too?[/quote]

Cousins is horrified of being hit. Gruden likes him best, but he shits his pants.

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listening to the Skins pre-game, Chris Russel has stated "NO ONE...NOT ONE coach on the redskins staff believes Robert can be a good NFL QB"......Hoa Sh....

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[quote=Hog1;1099335]listening to the Skins pre-game, Chris Russel has stated "NO ONE...NOT ONE coach on the redskins staff believes Robert can be a good NFL QB"......Hoa Sh....[/quote]

Based on the trade value estimates, none of the other team's coaches believe it.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1099326]I said it should be up to the HC, meaning not the owner. If the coaches do all they can to help RGIII and he still is unable to perform well enough to start, then I think it's on Robert and the Redskins should part ways with him prior to the 2016 season.[/QUOTE]


Wow so you think he deserves an entire season to prove himself. Ok. I would rather not waste another year of my fandom on one players hopes and dreams but thats just me. I can get over the money i spent on his jersey in the name of the team. Lol


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1099335]listening to the Skins pre-game, Chris Russel has stated "NO ONE...NOT ONE coach on the redskins staff believes Robert can be a good NFL QB"......Hoa Sh....[/QUOTE]


You can add this guy to that list. Honestly he just looks soooooo awkward trying. Very sad.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.

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[quote=punch it in;1099339]You can add this guy to that list. Honestly he just looks soooooo awkward trying. Very sad.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.[/quote]

I think that's the biggest issue and I believe it as well. He's trying to HARD to be a NFL QB, and not taking the game natural. It forces him to be awkward on the field. He's thinking WA WAY WAY to much.

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Gruden and Griffin need to part ways. Gruden obviously doesn't believe in him, Griffin could probably use a change of scenery. If both are back, Griffin will have to compete for not only the job, but maybe even a roster spot.