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[quote=Chico23231;1104751][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/14/report-joe-barry-will-be-d-c-in-d-c/]Report: Joe Barry will be D.C. in D.C. | ProFootballTalk[/url]

terrible[/quote]

why is it terrible?

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[quote=Chico23231;1104752]I hate statements like this...when i inteview and notice high energy level, it is usually compensating for a crap mind.[/quote]

If it comes down to the guy who is an assistant in a pretty good San Diego defense over the guy who was part of our defensive staff, I'll take the guy in San Diego.

Also, the team tried to go after good candidates and were turned down. Not the sexiest hire I guess (if it is true), but you have to see what pans out.

[quote=mredskins;1104755]why is it terrible?[/quote]

Because Bruce Allen was involved.

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[quote=mredskins;1104755]why is it terrible?[/quote]

much better canidates out there, actually couple on the staff not named Morris.

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Hogs heaven is reporting joe Barry won the job.

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[quote=Chico23231;1104759]much better canidates out there, actually couple on the staff not named Morris.[/quote]

We interviewed good candidates too. Maybe they said no to us...and some of them we didn't get permission to interview.

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Look at John Harbaugh. He was the Special Teams coach for Philly for 9 years. Looking at this link his special teams never really lite it up.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst2005]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2005 SPECIAL TEAMS RATINGS[/url]

I think he is a pretty good HC now.

Maybe Barry has learn stuff from his last go around as DC, IDK.

None of us sat in on these interviews. Kind of hard to decide a hire when you didn't hear the interview.

Any who welcome aboard Joe, you got a lot of work to do, I wish you the best.

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So, if this is true and we are hiring Barry, after making one of the best moves possible at GM....the Redskins pass over defensive coordinators that ALL have better performance histories and ignore a Hall of Famer, and Bills and Niners coordinators....and hire someone they know again?....not only that...he was personally was responsible for one of the worst defenses in the history of the game?....I didn't like Haslett when he has hired because he had a tendancy to produce teams that ranked 20th out of 32 teams consistantly....but this guy based on Detroit was horrible....but he does have a personal relationship....which is how the Redskins continue to hire.

Our new GM probably just threw up....he should have had hiring coaches in his contract....oh well...that honeymoon didn't last very long.

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[quote=Chico23231;1104752]I hate statements like this...when i inteview and notice high energy level, it is usually compensating for a crap mind.[/quote]

Yup. I am right there with you. Just like game tape tells you more about players than their combine "interview," a coach's past performance tells you more about them than their interview.

With that said, while his work in Detroit was bad (really bad), I am interested in what he has done lately.

I am also with the group who think there are better candidates. I hope I am wrong.

In Scot we trust.

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[quote=skinsnut;1104763]So, if this is true and we are hiring Barry, after making one of the best moves possible at GM....the Redskins pass over defensive coordinators that ALL have better performance histories and ignore a Hall of Famer, and Bills and Niners coordinators....and hire someone they know again?....not only that...he was personally was responsible for one of the worst defenses in the history of the game?....I didn't like Haslett when he has hired because he had a tendancy to produce teams that ranked 20th out of 32 teams consistantly....but this guy based on Detroit was horrible....but he does have a personal relationship....which is how the Redskins continue to hire.

Our new GM probably just threw up....he should have had hiring coaches in his contract....oh well...that honeymoon didn't last very long.[/quote]

So you know for a fact that we turned down all the other candidates we interviewed? And they all wanted to be the Redskins' DC? Wow, you must be a hell of an insider.

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It's more good ole boy network but this is how this organization operates. I would've preferred that they went outside the box and taken Eric Mangini. He's probably too much of a threat to Gruden though.

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[quote=Chico23231;1104759]much better canidates out there, actually couple on the staff not named Morris.[/quote]

That is your opinion, did you sit in on the interviews?

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I work in recruiting...interview people all day long.
Anyone can interview well for a few hours...but I will take a track record 9 times out of 10. Energy?....are you kidding me?...give Wade Phillips or whoever "doesn't have energy" a cup of coffee!....i don't care. Raheem Morris has a ton of energy...but his small responsibility has SUCKED...energy does not win games....schemes, play calling and players win games. Here's an interesting point...if Barry is so good....why didn't anyone else interview him?....kinda reminds me of a Zorn hire again...UGH.
I hate watching the stupid moves this team makes....after one of the best ever too....another part of my Redskin heart is dying again.
I just hope it isn't true....why not interview the successful guys?...what is the rush?
Or are they setting up Gruden for complete failure to dump the whole coaching staff?...I have no idea....I hate to say it....Haslett is better (eeeww)

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 Kenneth Clyburn retweeted

lol ...
[quote]Homer McFanboy ‏@HomerMcFanboy · 12m12 minutes ago
Dear Redskins, if the top two candidates you come up with for defensive coordinator are Joe Barry and Raheem Morris, you're doing it wrong[/quote]

Sad just how much that rings true.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1104764]Yup. I am right there with you. Just like game tape tells you more about players than their combine "interview," a coach's past performance tells you more about them than their interview.

With that said, while his work in Detroit was bad (really bad), I am interested in what he has done lately.

I am also with the group who think there are better candidates. I hope I am wrong.

In Scot we trust.[/quote]

I really wanted Wade Phillips.

That said, San Diego is top ten in terms of yards allowed, top ten in yards allowed per game, top five in passing yards allowed, top five in passing yards allowed per game, top 15 in points and points per game allowed. The only area they are outside top 15 is rushing yards/rushing yards per game.

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I admit not knowing much about the guy until his name first popped up. Detroit was a disaster, not sure how much blame you can attach to anyone there at that time not named Millen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1104766][B]It's more good ole boy network but this is how this organization operates.[/B] I would've preferred that they went outside the box and taken Eric Mangini. He's probably too much of a threat to Gruden though.[/quote]

Yes, we're the only team that does this in the NFL. :doh:

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1104769] Kenneth Clyburn retweeted

lol ...


Sad just how much that rings true.[/quote]

pretty much.

Im pulling for the guy to get it right. Welcome aboard Joe, but remember you serve at the pleasure of the Warpath

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This is some kind of sick joke right? :saywhat:

Please tell me this ain't true. :(

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!! :doh:

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But ... from another perspective:

[quote]I think it is far too early to tell whether or not this is a good choice. It follows the NFL pattern of hiring people you know, something the Redskins — and every other team — do regularly. What I will say is that sometimes recycling the big names does not work out. It certainly has not worked out for the Skins in the past. Hiring a newer guy, one with plenty of experience, but not enough success to be fat and happy, can work out, too.[/quote]

[url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/report-redskins-to-hire-joe-barry-as-defensive-coordinator/]Report: Redskins to hire Joe Barry as Defensive Coordinator | DC Pro Sports Report[/url]

I make no bones about it - I wanted Phillips. As a DC, and IMHO, the guy had the best resume out there - including Ryan. I am disappointed b/c it appears he won't be the DC.

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This just scream out one of 2 things to me.
1. No one of any quality wanted the job.
2. The Redskins continue to value relationships over ability.

I wonder...if this is who they thought they would end up hiring, if they would have rethought about firing Haslett. I also wonder if the decision was Gruden's according to what our new GM said at his press conference.

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[url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Barry]Joe Barry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

Updated already

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Hey at least it's not Morris or Haz right? lol

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way to early to judge this hire.

he did work under monte kifflin for 6 years.

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I have to admit, I wanted Phillips but who knows, Barry might be capable. At least they didn't rehire Haslett...

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[quote=Mattyk;1104782]Hey at least it's not Morris or Haz right? lol[/quote]

you know i just said that to a co worker...wouldnt it be nice for once if this guy comes in and balls out? Just once can we get that

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2 weeks ago probably 99% of people didn't know this guy's name. Now it's a given he's a bad hire? Ok.

I'm willing to give it a chance. Let's see what happens with the rest of the D staff.

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does this leave the door open for morris to remain secondary coach?

cooley sd he really like morris, says he knows football, the players love him and typically position coachs get lil to no say in weekly game plans and just have to say "yes sir".

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[quote=Mattyk;1104782]Hey at least it's not Morris or Haz right? lol[/quote]

When this is all said and done....I'd like to see a survey.
I personally would have kept Haslett over this guy....and I did not like his work as it was consistantly below average.
a monkey could win 1 game out of 16....even if he didn't show up to coach.

I could be wrong, but based on his track record, I seriously doubt it.
I sure hope this is all just a bad report and it is not true or official yet...and they de-Zornify this situation before it is too late.
or...they could give him a guaranteed 5 year deal for 10M...we shall see

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I'm sure he'll be better than has and I'm glad we didn't hire a old head to be our DC. At least he's fresh

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[quote=Mattyk;1104786]2 weeks ago probably 99% of people didn't know this guy's name. Now it's a given he's a bad hire? Ok.

I'm willing to give it a chance. Let's see what happens with the rest of the D staff.[/quote]

Why would we waste space in our memory for the defensive coordinator for one of the Worst defenses in the history of the game (detroit)?
We didn't know his name because he has done nothing impressive.
Name recognition generally comes from success.
The fact that no one knows him isn't always a bad sign...until we looked at his track record....that is why it is a bad hire.

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Hire not confirmed... I will consider this a Jim Fassel call back when it's all said & done.

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Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN 8m8 minutes ago
Not sure why Barry is automatically an Allen hire. Worked with Gruden for many years in TB, perhaps left a good impression?

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I'm down with giving Barry a chance, got to start as a DC somewhere. The positives are that his father in Law is Marinelli, worked under Monte Kiffin in TB and the SD LB's were pretty good this year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1104789]I'm sure he'll be better than has and I'm glad we didn't hire a old head to be our DC. At least he's fresh[/quote]

I would take old and successful any day of the week over young and a crap shoot...
Compare Gibbs to Zorn.

Youth or energy doesn't have some magical advantage over age.
Experience is incredibly valuable...look at our new GM...the great thing about him is he has both...that is a Win Win.

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is our base moving back to a 4-3...?

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From the Chargers website:

Barry turned in one of his most masterful coaching performances in 2013, working with a unit that was besieged by injuries throughout the season. Starting inside linebackers Donald Butler and rookie second-round draft pick Manti Te’o both missed time due to injury, but finished the year second and third on the team in tackles with 99 and 93, respectively. Projected starting outside linebacker Melvin Ingram spent most of the year on the “Physically Unable to Perform” list due to an offseason knee injury and fellow starting outside linebacker Jarret Johnson missed five games with a host of ailments. As a result of all the injuries, only twice in 2013 did the Chargers start the same four linebackers in consecutive weeks. Still, linebackers were responsible for 16 of the team’s 35 sacks, including 4.5 by Thomas Keiser, a practice squad player at the start of the season who went on to lead the linebackers in sacks and quarterback hits (10). Another valuable performer was Reggie Walker, a special teams player for most of his career who started six games at both inside and outside linebacker and registered the first three sacks of his NFL career and ranked third among the linebackers with 49 tackles.

A native of Boulder, Colo., Barry is a long-time NFL linebackers coach and former defensive coordinator. As a prep, he attended Fairview High School, the same high school as defensive coordinator John Pagano. He played at Fairview for Pagano’s father, Sam, who was the head coach. Barry then spent the 1989-90 seasons at the University of Michigan before transferring to the University of Southern California, where he earned varsity letters in 1992 and ’93. He graduated from USC in 1994 with a degree in communications.

Barry transitioned to coaching the following year, landing a graduate assistant’s job at USC in 1995. He spent five seasons coaching collegiately before landing his first NFL position as a quality control coach with the San Francisco 49ers in 2000. A year later, he was named linebackers coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and in 2002, he won a Super Bowl ring with the Bucs as they defeated the Oakland Raiders, 48-21, in Super Bowl XXXVII in San Diego. The title capped off a season in which the Buccaneers led the NFL in total and scoring defense, and in which linebacker Derrick Brooks was named NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Barry spent six seasons in Tampa Bay before landing the job as defensive coordinator in Detroit during the 2007-08 seasons. He returned to Tampa Bay in 2009 as linebackers coach and has continued coaching the position since.

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[B] @Snide_Remarks · 16m 16 minutes ago

But this reported Joe Barry hiring is weak. This is so setting up for a new overall staff by McCloughan in 2016.[/B]


I agree 100%. Don't expect much next year boys.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1104793]I'm down with giving Barry a chance, got to start as a DC somewhere. The positives are that his father in Law is Marinelli, worked under Monte Kiffin in TB and the SD LB's were pretty good this year.[/quote]

I dont care who his Father in law is...
Jay Gruden is not Jon Gruden.
Bruce Allen is not George Allen.
I think at one point we had a starting QB who was the brother of a successful QB under Spurrier.
Remember Spurriers success hiring everyone he knew from florida and we all wanted to give Danny Wuerfel a chance, etc.
This whole good old boy hiring practice is a disaster.
I work in hiring for corporations...this is a conflict of interest interviewing people you know or your relatives..
If others make the hiring decision that is fine...but hiring buddies is bad..and hiring family members of successful people is crazy.
Everyone has their own Resume....to stand alone.
This guys sucked.
OK....maybe we should consider hiring him as a LB coach....but we already have good ones....arguably better....in fact....they would probably be more qualified for the DC job that this guy.

I am done with my rant.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104798][B] @Snide_Remarks · 16m 16 minutes ago

But this reported Joe Barry hiring is weak. This is so setting up for a new overall staff by McCloughan in 2016.[/B]


I agree 100%. Don't expect much next year boys.[/quote]

yup, that was one of my first thoughts.

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Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerratto would have hired Wade Phillips.



(drops mic and walks away)