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[quote=Chico23231;1140848]Fear and anger > optimism and rational

The voter...[/quote]

Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1140860]Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.[/quote]

Thankfully I don't see any of these options lasting more than one term, but the scary thing is how much more fucked up the country will be after said four years.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1140860]Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.[/quote]

it doesn't happen often, but you lol'd me.......out loud!

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The country needs change politically, but not as extreme as Bernie and Trump. Personally, I'd be SO down with a status quo option for one more term. THEN, the country can maybe identify a few candidates who are just different enough they aren't divisive.

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Hillary won the Presidency last night

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That's a little too........status quo

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1140860]Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.[/quote]

Nice summary. I was heavy on the Bernie bandwagon for a little bit but I've backed off it recently. I still feel he's the best of the 3 but I'm not as enthusiastic about him as I was. Even if he does win though does anybody really think Congress will let him push through his plans? I feel this election takes away focus on the fact that the Prez and Congress basically cancel each other out on everything, how many major programs have passed with the approval of both Congress and the Prez in the last 8 years? Also I honestly can't believe in this day and age that Drumpf is the best that the repubs have to represent this country. He's the loudest voice in the room, yet he says nothing of substance.

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I know I've said this before, but PRIOR to this election, I've woken up, put my pants one leg at a time (rung a cowbell or two) and life went on. From Reagan to Clinton to Bush to Obama, my life was essentially the same. I'll take that right now.

I worry that if Trump gets elected (and to a lesser extent Bernie) that suddenly I'll wake up to a LOT of changes that I don't want.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1140916]I know I've said this before, but PRIOR to this election, I've woken up, put my pants one leg at a time (rung a cowbell or two) and life went on. From Reagan to Clinton to Bush to Obama, my life was essentially the same. I'll take that right now.

I worry that if Trump gets elected (and to a lesser extent Bernie) that suddenly I'll wake up to a LOT of changes that I don't want.[/QUOTE]
I worry more about the continued degradation of rights that changes imperceptibly under the guise of politically correct speech where the status quo continues to usurp what the constitution says then what a firebrand like Trump would actually be able to accomplish.

I expect that IF he were to get the nomination ( not a sure thing ) that Clinton and him will duke it out in an old style backroom political brawl. Maybe they could have an actual duel ala Hamilton and Burr.

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No one should be actually scared of Trump. You cannot literally believe a single thing he says. He is the definition of style rather than substance.

I understand being concerned about the substance of his message but I am not concerned at all because I don't believe he actually believes anything he is saying. Which is a whole other thing to worry about all together.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1140916]I know I've said this before, but PRIOR to this election, I've woken up, put my pants one leg at a time (rung a cowbell or two) and life went on. From Reagan to Clinton to Bush to Obama, my life was essentially the same. I'll take that right now.

I worry that if Trump gets elected (and to a lesser extent Bernie) that suddenly I'll wake up to a LOT of changes that I don't want.[/quote]

well, since bush and obama, we've tortured people, but haven't called it torture, we've killed a lot of civilians but redefined civilians to make the stats look better, and we've decided that prisoners taken in a war aren't actually prisoners of war. the country has expanded government and spending drastically, we have two new organizations, one which spends a lot of time spying on americans, another that is only there to annoy us at airports to make us feel safe without actually providing real security. we've also taken a very marginal step towards universal health care, which is either good or bad (it's hard to tell without writing a thesis on it, it's not fully implemented, and important things like the cost control board aren't formed yet).

sorry if that's a dim view, but if you didn't notice any of that, you won't notice trump or hillary either. trump is a bit more dangerous with a republican congress, but neither he nor sanders are really part of the parties they're running under, they're just leveraging those machines since independent runs are basically impossible... which means that congressional carte blanche probably wouldn't exist for trump anyways.

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I certainly have things that I've disagreed with over the years. I DID forget about TSA though as something that's new and highly annoying/ineffective.

I worry that a Trump presidency would touch my daily life directly. Sure Hillary, Cruz or Bernie might do things I agree or disagree with, but I just can't imagine my life changing that much with any of them in charge. Could it happen? Very possibly.

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[quote=That Guy;1140924]well, since bush and obama, we've tortured people, but haven't called it torture, we've killed a lot of civilians but redefined civilians to make the stats look better, and we've decided that prisoners taken in a war aren't actually prisoners of war. the country has expanded government and spending drastically, we have two new organizations, one which spends a lot of time spying on americans, another that is only there to annoy us at airports to make us feel safe without actually providing real security. we've also taken a very marginal step towards universal health care, which is either good or bad (it's hard to tell without writing a thesis on it, it's not fully implemented, and important things like the cost control board aren't formed yet).[/quote]

You act like this is all new.I know I am showing my age and I apologize for it I try not to but I would love to have everyone who is 40 years and younger live through the Vietnam era, without twitter or e-mail and cell phones and see what life was like during a war (yeah it was a "conflict")

I agree with MalcomConnection ,having Donald Trump as President and have him go off nuclear or worse could very well be the end of this country and this world.No other canidate scares me in that way.

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what point are you trying to make? that we should be okay with trampling human rights or that we shouldn't hold people accountable for doing shady shit because it's happened before? and how am i acting like it's new? i mean this stuff happened between 2003 and 2010, which was a while ago, but i wasn't happy with it at that time either.

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Well those that vote for Trump must not be in their right minds for some strange reason.

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[quote=That Guy;1140978]what point are you trying to make? that we should be okay with trampling human rights or that we shouldn't hold people accountable for doing shady shit because it's happened before? and how am i acting like it's new? i mean this stuff happened between 2003 and 2010, which was a while ago, but i wasn't happy with it at that time either.[/quote]




It's called "Politics" , it has always been like this and and it will always be like this .I hold politicians in the same light as used car salesmen and real estate agents.That will say anything to get elected or make a sale.

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[quote=JPPT1974;1140992]Well those that vote for Trump must not be in their right minds for some strange reason.[/quote]

This:)

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[quote=Giantone;1141048]It's called "Politics" , it has always been like this and and it will always be like this .I hold politicians in the same light as used car salesmen and real estate agents.That will say anything to get elected or make a sale.[/quote]

i wasn't talking about things they were saying, i was talking about things they actually did. i don't think holding people accountable is too much to ask.

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[QUOTE=JPPT1974;1140992]Well those that vote for Trump must not be in their right minds for some strange reason.[/QUOTE]
I would hold that sentiment about anyone voting for Hillary.

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Trump rallies are like going to Wrestlemania. I'm just waiting for someone to crack someone over the head with a chair.

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You have a right in this country to voice your opinion without fear of Federal persecution...and some other things. It does not however protect an asshole "disrupter" from getting their (well deserved ) ass kicked.
When you and your pals invade a legal assembly...of any kind.....and another group.....Black lives matter, or any other group with the express intention of robbing the assembly of it's first amendment rights...you need your ass kicked.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1141067]You have a right in this country to voice your opinion without fear of Federal persecution...and some other things. It does not however protect an asshole "disrupter" from getting their (well deserved ) ass kicked.
When you and your pals invade a legal assembly...of any kind.....and another group.....Black lives matter, or any other group with the express intention of robbing the assembly of it's first amendment rights...you need your ass kicked.[/QUOTE]
Very Well Said!

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Making America great again, one ass kicking at a time.

:doh:

The dumbing down of America in full swing.

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Actually...they're called rights
perhaps you can recall them?
or since the dumbing down, perhaps you cannot.....

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oh yes, the I can kick your ass rights. Got it.

:doh:

I see Drumph has you fully under his pea brain spell.

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Try this to add greater credibility to your nonsensical dribble...
"I know you are but what am I"

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[quote=Hog1;1141067]You have a right in this country to voice your opinion without fear of Federal persecution...and some other things. It does not however protect an asshole "disrupter" from getting their (well deserved ) ass kicked.
When you and your pals invade a legal assembly...of any kind.....and another group.....Black lives matter, or any other group with the express intention of robbing the assembly of it's first amendment rights...you need your ass kicked.[/quote]

Bullshit! By law that right that you are talking about just doesn't come into play when you agree with someone ,Free speech means just that "free from any and all repercussions."The protester in question didn't rob anything from anyone and other candidates or groups etc have managed to have protesters removed without 'beatings"..not hard to do except when the candidate in questions is telling people to punch others or to hit others.....or fight back.Yes you have rights in this country ,thing is people like you and Trump need to realize ....we all have rights even the Americans you don't like .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1141058]I would hold that sentiment about anyone voting for Hillary.

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I would say that about Hillary, trump, Bernie and Cruz. Kasich is the only viable candidate in the field with a proven record and substantive plans that wouldn't bankrupt the country. But a candidate like this doesn't have a chance in hell during this election cycle.

I don't see how anybody could vote for Hillary with her track record in leadership positions in the last decade. She's been a train wreck and her fat ass woulda been on the curb if she woulda pulled this garbage in the private sector.

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[quote=Hog1;1141075]Actually...they're called rights
perhaps you can recall them?
or since the dumbing down, perhaps you cannot.....[/quote]

Since when is assault and battery legal?? Are you in your right mind?

Disrupters do not "have it coming" unless by that you mean they deserve to be shouted down. Anybody who strikes a protester at those Trump rallies is breaking the law.

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[quote=Giantone;1141079]Bullshit! By law that right that you are talking about just doesn't come into play when you agree with someone ,Free speech means just that "[B]free from any and all repercussions[/B]."The protester in question didn't rob anything from anyone and other candidates or groups etc have managed to have protesters removed without 'beatings"..not hard to do except when the candidate in questions is telling people to punch others or to hit others.....or fight back.Yes you have rights in this country ,[B]thing is people like you and Trump need to realize ....we all have rights even the Americans you don't like[/B] .[/quote]

You have no idea what the first amendment says...or means.
And just for fun, go to any undesirable section of any city and start in with a racial impropriety or two and see how far that takes you.
You can continue with the stupid assumptions...but you just look...stupid

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[quote=Schneed10;1141092][B]Since when is assault and battery legal[/B]?? Are you in your right mind?

[B]Disrupters do not "have it coming[/B]" unless by that you mean they deserve to be shouted down. Anybody who strikes a protester at those Trump rallies is breaking the law.[/quote]

You know I did not say that it is legal or suggest it. Do I have a problem with some ass hole getting cold cocked for pulling that disruptor shit?
No, I do not. Does that mean he wont be charged with assault? No, undoubtedly he will.
Am I in my right mind? Well...

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[quote=Hog1;1141093]You have no idea what the first amendment says...or means.
And just for fun, go to any undesirable section of any city and start in with a racial impropriety or two and see how far that takes you.
You can continue with the stupid assumptions...but you just look...stupid[/quote]

I didn't assume anything , you put your ignorance right out there for all to see.

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something saying something you don't like - punch them in the face. remember to settle all your disagreements with violence kids. lesson learned. thanks hog!

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[quote=Giantone;1141098]I didn't assume anything , you put [B]your ignorance[/B] right out there for all to see.[/quote]
Please explain that to me. Please be specific.....
Can you do that?

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[quote=That Guy;1141103]something saying something you don't like - punch them in the face. remember to settle all your disagreements with violence kids. lesson learned. thanks hog![/quote]
Real life getting to be to much for you?
Like...Hey..in a real world...there....could be.....consequences....for your actions.
Consequences?.....WTF? that's not what Bernie said...right? lol

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Hypothetical:

TRUMP supporters protest a Clinton rally. One gets punched in the face? You cool with that too?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1141114]Hypothetical:

TRUMP supporters protest a Clinton rally. One gets punched in the face? You cool with that too?[/quote]


Nope .

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1141114]Hypothetical:

TRUMP supporters protest a Clinton rally. One gets punched in the face? You cool with that too?[/quote]

Im not cool with any violence at all from anyone. But I would ask the protesters why even participate in the charade? This is exactly what trump wants...and for the protesters, I think this is just another "look at me" event. They want to be part of the reality tv show.

End the end...Dems want to run against Trump. This election will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump. I guarantee it. No way Trump wins.

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[quote=Hog1;1141111]Please explain that to me. Please be specific.....
Can you do that?[/quote]

Your post....#341

"............. It does not however protect an asshole "disrupter" from getting their (well deserved ) ass kicked.
When you and your pals invade a legal assembly...of any kind.....and another group.....Black lives matter, or any other group with the express intention of robbing the assembly of it's first amendment rights...you need your ass kicked."

..The Law does say he or anyone else regardless of their "offense" ...should not get their "ass kicked".It's called assault and it is against the law.