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[quote=kct1975;1119147]Personally I don't like the sound of this...

[b] Report: Redskins to keep RG3 as 2nd-string QB[/b]

[url=http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/823520]]Report: Redskins to keep RG3 as 2nd-string QB | theScore[/url][/quote]

Same here. As soon as Capt Kirk struggles, and he will, like all inexperienced QBs do, Griff will be put in. Maybe not his first game or second game but sooner or later. Yep this will be Gruden's last year as coach.

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I have to say that I actually agree with some of the points made in this video...

[URL]https://youtu.be/pU6k70kG2S8[/URL]

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Lots of thoughts going through my head here.

It's really hard to believe that the team truly thinks Griffin is the 2nd best QB on the team. This could be:

- They're saying he's the 2nd team guy in an attempt to keep trade value higher

- Snyder and Allen could be forcing a compromise (God I hope not), saying fine you can start Cousins but no way we're deactivating Griffin

- They're concerned about a legal grievance from the player's union, in the event they deactivate Griffin each week, could the union argue that they're not being fair in ranking him as the #3 QB and doing it solely to prevent themselves from exposure to $16M of injury risk

I hope it's the first one. This whole thing, ugh.

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Lastly, could they be close to a trade with a couple teams, so they're just paying lip service now knowing that they could move him very soon.

If so, that would have to be for a ham sandwich, the $16M option makes it impossible to move him.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-still-waiting-on-rgiiis-clearance/2015/09/04/3c6d69a6-5348-11e5-9812-92d5948a40f8_story.html?postshare=7611441452417119[/url]


LOL. Anybody else think how that whole concussion thing played out is a coincidence?

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1119153]Lastly, could they be close to a trade with a couple teams, so they're just paying lip service now knowing that they could move him very soon.

If so, that would have to be for a ham sandwich, the $16M option makes it impossible to move him.[/QUOTE]
I agree with all of your thoughts.

At this point I would litterly take a Ham Sandwich in trade for RG3, just to get the circus out of town.

Like you, I sincerely hope that the Redskins are just bluffing right now.

IMHO, I agree that there is no way that RG3 is the 2nd best quarterback on the roster.

Most likely, however, your thoughts, that this is a compromise of some sort, with Snyder and Allen, most likely are correct, unfortunately.

I hope that the Redskins do not cut or trade Colt McCoy, and go with only Kirk Cousins and RG3, because, as has been said here, that would mean that as soon as Kirk Cousins struggled, RG3 would be the starter again.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1119112][B]Ahhh, I'm not much for talk radio shows.[/B] I still listen to my country CD's. Don't get to here all the junk out there.[/quote]

You are only 32, from what I have seen the people that listen to talk radio and news over and above music are older. I remember when I was 14 wondering why my 40 year old step-dad was listening to KFI 640 am (Still around in the LA area they have a real strong signal, you used to get them all the way to Vegas)
in the mornings. Yet when I started approaching 40 I started to listen to sports talk more and more and music, less and less. I have friends that have done the same thing, we will see if you follow the trend. At 32 it was all about driving around listening to either classic rock or country.

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[quote=30gut;1119068]Bob, I'm gonna preface my statement for people that pass through the thread so no one else reads this post and gets sensitive/defensive. I am responding directly to Bob's statement above don't take this and jump to any grand assumptions about my opinion of Kirk, which I've already stated.

Okay...I disagree that last year Kirks picks did no real damage. 8 or Kirks 9 picks came in the second half of games. Some of the picks came when the game was in the balance so there was direct damage.[/quote]

I don't have the greatest memory, but I can remember a few times figuring
it would have taken a miracle anyway. So even if he doesn't throw the extra pick the Redskins loose. Also as I recall last year's defense made lower tier quarterbacks look like Hall of Famers in the 4th quarter. I think Terry Bridgewater lead two length of the field TD drives in the 4th quarter last year
that beat the Redskins in a winnable game.

I think we all can agree you can't always take statistics at face value.

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[quote=Schneed10;1119152]Lots of thoughts going through my head here.

It's really hard to believe that the team truly thinks Griffin is the 2nd best QB on the team. This could be:

- They're saying he's the 2nd team guy in an attempt to keep trade value higher

- Snyder and Allen could be forcing a compromise (God I hope not), saying fine you can start Cousins but no way we're deactivating Griffin

- They're concerned about a legal grievance from the player's union, in the event they deactivate Griffin each week, could the union argue that they're not being fair in ranking him as the #3 QB and doing it solely to prevent themselves from exposure to $16M of injury risk

I hope it's the first one. This whole thing, ugh.[/quote]

The talk of a possible trade for Chase Daniel gives me hope that this is just posturing for some sort of trade value but I think Daniels contract is up after 2015 and his cap number is a bit less than RG3 at 4.8 vs 6.8 mil so I think there are some moving pieces like getting a new contract for Daniel and possibly paying $1-2mil for RG3's 2015 salary. Is Chase Daniel worth the give up? I love the kid but I don't know that he is. We'll see how things play out but I sincerely hope that Snyder isn't forcing Gruden and Scot to keep him on the 53 man roster for 2015. If so, this soap opera can't end and we can't move on to play focused football.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119165][B]The talk of a possible trade for Chase Daniel [/B]gives me hope that this is just posturing for some sort of trade value but I think Daniels contract is up after 2015 and his cap number is a bit less than RG3 at 4.8 vs 6.8 mil so I think there are some moving pieces like getting a new contract for Daniel and possibly paying $1-2mil for RG3's 2015 salary. Is Chase Daniel worth the give up? I love the kid but I don't know that he is. We'll see how things play out but I sincerely hope that Snyder isn't forcing Gruden and Scot to keep him on the 53 man roster for 2015. If so, this soap opera can't end and we can't move on to play focused football.[/quote]

NO doubt, Smoot started that...........

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McCoy #2

[url]https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/640134558864789505[/url]

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Interesting reading these tweets from a retired pro-soccer player about the Dr. that cleared RGIII. No wonder this dude stepped down.

[url]https://twitter.com/alecko11[/url]

[B][SIZE="3"]

‏@alecko11
I have just read that the neurologist involved in the RG3 concussion fiasco is Dr. Kurtzke..



‏@alecko11
I cannot tell you how much pent up anger I have towards this man, as he is the same doc who nearly caused me brain damage and maybe worse..

‏@alecko11
10 years ago when I suffered a Grade 3 concussion that took me a year to recover from, Dr. Kurtzke suggested to "just keep taking Tylenol".


@alecko11
The fact that this quack still works w/ high profiled athletes is A JOKE. This man put my life at risk and is a name I will never forget.

@alecko11
He cleared me to play just days after. So I began practicing w/ headaches + what felt like a 5 lb weight in my head.

@alecko11
When I explained that taking painkillers and continuing to play w/ bad symptoms didn't seem smart, he asked me who the doctor was...


@alecko11
I've never had a doctor be so condescending while spewing BS. But I wanted to play, and he told me I was fine to play. So I played...


@alecko11
After practice that week my headaches + pressure in my head got so bad, I swerved behind the wheel + had to pull over. I knew I wasn't OK..

‏@alecko11
Anyone that has followed me on social media knows I HATE talking about my struggle w/ this. But reading this man's name just hit a nerve...

‏@alecko11
Not true... When I finally saw a new neurologist he immediately shut me down indefinitely based on my symptoms. [/SIZE][/B]

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1119185]Interesting reading these tweets from a retired pro-soccer player about the Dr. that cleared RGIII. No wonder this dude stepped down.

[url]https://twitter.com/alecko11[/url]

[B][SIZE="3"]

‏@alecko11
I have just read that the neurologist involved in the RG3 concussion fiasco is Dr. Kurtzke..



‏@alecko11
I cannot tell you how much pent up anger I have towards this man, as he is the same doc who nearly caused me brain damage and maybe worse..

‏@alecko11
10 years ago when I suffered a Grade 3 concussion that took me a year to recover from, Dr. Kurtzke suggested to "just keep taking Tylenol".


@alecko11
The fact that this quack still works w/ high profiled athletes is A JOKE. This man put my life at risk and is a name I will never forget.

@alecko11
He cleared me to play just days after. So I began practicing w/ headaches + what felt like a 5 lb weight in my head.

@alecko11
When I explained that taking painkillers and continuing to play w/ bad symptoms didn't seem smart, he asked me who the doctor was...


@alecko11
I've never had a doctor be so condescending while spewing BS. But I wanted to play, and he told me I was fine to play. So I played...


@alecko11
After practice that week my headaches + pressure in my head got so bad, I swerved behind the wheel + had to pull over. I knew I wasn't OK..

‏@alecko11
Anyone that has followed me on social media knows I HATE talking about my struggle w/ this. But reading this man's name just hit a nerve...

‏@alecko11
Not true... When I finally saw a new neurologist he immediately shut me down indefinitely based on my symptoms. [/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]
Sounds like the first Neurologist is a F**king quack!

I can't understand how he is he was still working with pro athletes or with anyone.

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[quote=kct1975;1119188]Sounds like the first Neurologist is a F**king quack!

I can't understand how he is he was still working with pro athletes or with anyone.[/quote]

Sounds like he wants to get out before people start to figure it out and ruin his practice as well.. If he's that bad at his job, I can't imagine that we won't start hearing more stories by other patients and athletes..

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[quote=kct1975;1119188]Sounds like the first Neurologist is a F**king quack!

I can't understand how he is he was still working with pro athletes or with anyone.[/quote]

Wasn't he an nfl employee?...could be wrong. At least a consultant?

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[quote=kct1975;1119188]Sounds like the first Neurologist is a F**king quack!

I can't understand how he is he was still working with pro athletes or with anyone.[/quote]

This is the NFL...

The NFL questionnaire to hire a Neurologist is "If a player dies of head trauma, are you willing to blame the death on an ingrown toenail?". If they answer yes, they are hired.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1119191]Wasn't he an nfl employee?...could be wrong. At least a consultant?[/QUOTE]
If I read the article this morning correctly, yes, he was an employee of the NFL and NFLPA, and was assigned to the Redskins.

What I was pondering, was if the guy is such a quack, why in the heck was he e even hired by the NFL or NFLPA?

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[quote=kct1975;1119193]If I read the article this morning correctly, yes, he was an employee of the NFL and NFLPA, and was assigned to the Redskins.

What I was pondering, was if the guy is such a quack, why in the heck was he e even hired by the NFL or NFLPA?[/quote]

I think the ability to reach a predetermined outcome is a prerequisite of being hired by the NFL..

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It's stupid to dismiss a neurologists expertise based on one persons rant on twitter. People get very upset when they get sick and post crazy things -- and the very best doctors can't magically fix everything. His [URL="http://www.neurologycenteroffairfax.com/p_rnk.html"]profile[/URL] says he's a neurologist trained at Georgetown & Duke, was a Chief Resident, President of the Virginia Neurologic Society, and is a co-chairman for an advisory committee for Medicare. That's a *stellar* resume and I'm disappointed and embarrassed to see the NFL / ESPN smear this guy's reputation.

I wouldn't blame him for getting out of a contract w NFL. Too much publicity. I'd bet Griffin is just one patient he sees in a busy practice and has led to front-page news stories on ESPN. Too much hassle for not much benefit for him.

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Well this article seems to tell the real story...

[URL]http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13587791/washington-redskins-keep-robert-griffin-iii-backup-qb[/URL]

[i] - - - Although Kirk Cousinswas named Washington's starting quarterback earlier this week, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and president Bruce Allen want to keep Griffin despite the financial risk associated with retaining the former Heisman Trophy winner, a source told ESPN.- - -[/i]

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[quote=kct1975;1119200]Well this article seems to tell the real story...

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13587791/washington-redskins-keep-robert-griffin-iii-backup-qb]Washington Redskins to keep Robert Griffin III as backup QB[/url]

[i] - - - Although Kirk Cousinswas named Washington's starting quarterback earlier this week, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and president Bruce Allen want to keep Griffin despite the financial risk associated with retaining the former Heisman Trophy winner, a source told ESPN.- - -[/i][/quote]

I'm starting to think that Bruce Allen is a yes man.. If I just want to hear my own opinion, I don't need to spend that kind of money to do it..

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Sources.

Reporters have no problem getting information from this current staff.

More sources ie leaks then ever.

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[B][SIZE="3"]@JsteelznSkins

RG3 may in fact make it through the weekend. But he will not be a Redskin when the season starts. Working trade. Falls through?? Cut[/SIZE][/B]


This guy is definitely in the know. This is what I expected a smart GM to do.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1119218][B][SIZE="3"]@JsteelznSkins

RG3 may in fact make it through the weekend. But he will not be a Redskin when the season starts. Working trade. Falls through?? Cut[/SIZE][/B]

This guy is definitely in the know. This is what I expected a smart GM to do.[/quote]

McCloughan IMO is doing a good job at being the voice of reason in this whole RG3 situation. He is not going to get rid of RG3 without getting something in return (like Jay would). And he's definitely doing a good job at convincing Snyder to move on from RG3.

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Why not keep RGIII till the trade deadline in October? Wait for teams QB's to get hurt and maybe someone will bite and give something in return.

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[quote=kct1975;1119200]Well this article seems to tell the real story...

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13587791/washington-redskins-keep-robert-griffin-iii-backup-qb]Washington Redskins to keep Robert Griffin III as backup QB[/url]

[i] - - - Although Kirk Cousinswas named Washington's starting quarterback earlier this week, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and president Bruce Allen want to keep Griffin despite the financial risk associated with retaining the former Heisman Trophy winner, a source told ESPN.- - -[/i][/quote]

Allen, and particularly Snyder, want to hold on to RG3? That sounds familiar

Anyhow, I know Redskins have been talking to some teams but I don't know how serious the talks have been. Still feel some team will step up, only takes one.

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If Griffin hasn't been cleared to play yet, and the Skins release him, aren't they potentially on the hook for this years salary and next years $16M ?

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[quote=v8-7;1119227]If Griffin hasn't been cleared to play yet, and the Skins release him, aren't they potentially on the hook for this years salary and next years $16M ?[/quote]

Well they can't release him until cleared, and if they do they'd be-I believe-off the hook if another team claims him

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[quote=SmootSmack;1119225]Allen, and particularly Snyder, want to hold on to RG3? That sounds familiar

Anyhow, I know Redskins have been talking to some teams but I don't know how serious the talks have been. Still feel some team will step up, only takes one.[/quote]

Bills, Chiefs and who else SS?

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[quote=Chico23231;1119231]Bills, Chiefs and who else SS?[/quote]

I don't know

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[quote=SmootSmack;1119233]I don't know[/quote]

Are the Bills and Chiefs rumors true? Are we also looking at bringing back Daniels?

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[quote=v8-7;1119227]If Griffin hasn't been cleared to play yet, and the Skins release him, aren't they potentially on the hook for this years salary and next years $16M ?[/quote]


edit: Smoot's already on this it seems. Pretty much what he said.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1119234]Are the Bills and Chiefs rumors true? Are we also looking at bringing back Daniels?[/quote]

It's well well known Reid is a big fan...Alex smith I think is in his last year of contract.

Bills...just look at the worst line up of qb in the league. It would be very Rex of him to make the trade.

I don't think Cleveland or the Jets wouldnt make a trade. And actually think the jets are competent at the qb position.

We wouldn't trade to team in the east.

Dark horse...maybe the saints, Chicago and Cincy?

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[quote=Chico23231;1119236]We wouldn't trade to team in the east.[/quote]

I would. He's easy to defend. Send a blitz every down and he'll panic.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1119239]I would. He's easy to defend. Send a blitz every down and he'll panic.[/QUOTE]
LOL!

Absolutely!

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No doubt the 5th year option injury clause is an issue.

I don't think it can be assumed that Scott is all hung-ho to get Griffin off the team and Snyder is alone in wanting him on the team.

Scott inherited both Gruden and Griffin. I'm sure at this point its clear that Griffin isn't the best QB on this team to run J's offense and also clear that J isn't keen on catering his offense or continuing to develop Griffin.

But, I'm sure Scott is also evaluating J. Maybe J will prove to be right and Kirk makes a leap from last year when he wasn't able to hold on to the job. Kirk stepping up is what is best for the franchise.

But what if J's wrong? And Kirk can't hold it down?

Then Scott would have shipped off Griffin only to watch plan A fail. I'm guessing the idea behind keeping Griffin is similar to the reason Kirk was drafted in the 1st place. To hedge. Now, I'm not sure how the mechanics/logistics work out keeping Griffin on the team but I bet that is where the thought process is on the members of the FO that want to keep Griffin.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1119261]No doubt the 5th year option injury clause is an issue.

I don't think it can be assumed that Scott is all hung-ho to get Griffin off the team and Snyder is alone in wanting him on the team.

Scott inherited both Gruden and Griffin. I'm sure at this point its clear that Griffin isn't the best QB on this team to run J's offense and also clear that J isn't keen on catering his offense or continuing to develop Griffin.

But, I'm sure Scott is also evaluating J. Maybe J will prove to be right and Kirk makes a leap from last year when he wasn't able to hold on to the job. Kirk stepping up is what is best for the franchise.

But what if J's wrong? And Kirk can't hold it down?

Then Scott would have shipped off Griffin only to watch plan A fail. I'm guessing the idea behind keeping Griffin is similar to the reason Kirk was drafted in the 1st place. To hedge. Now, I'm not sure how the mechanics/logistics work out keeping Griffin on the team but I bet that is where the thought process is on the members of the FO that want to keep Griffin.[/QUOTE]
I agree that Gruden is being evaluated but I believe SM has already evaluated Griffin. Moving to Cousins takes Grudens excuse away.

If Cousins and Gruden don't succeed, I believe we aren't going back to Griffin but instead looking to next year's draft. SM inherited all these guys and he has been giving each one some rope. We will see if any of these guys know how to use it to survive and not make a noose.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1119263]I agree that Gruden is being evaluated but I believe SM has already evaluated Griffin. Moving to Cousins takes Grudens excuse away.[/quote]I agree that Scott has evaluated Griffin in this current system, in J's system. But, Scott has also witnessed one of his QBs struggle in one system, yet flourish in other. Who knows? *shrugs* all the leaks point to Griffin being gone. But, for me I can see a reason to keep him around.

[quote]If Cousins and Gruden don't succeed, I believe we aren't going back to Griffin but instead looking to next year's draft. SM inherited all these guys and he has been giving each one some rope. We will see if any of these guys know how to use it to survive and not make a noose.[/quote]You're probably right that if Kirk doesn't succeed its back to the drawing board.....again. I really, really don't want to be there again. That's why I think J missed a real opportunity to buy himself time by drafting a QB this year. At least if these QBs fail he could look to a rook instead of Colt McCoy (who I like btw) as the QB of the future. That way there would at least be a reason not to dump him. But there is no way he fails with these QBs and gets to choose another, like you said it will be another HC. I would rather start again with Griffin then any of the prospects coming out next year. If you look at raw talent you aren't gonna get any better then Griff.

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it's probably more along the lines of the GM wants to get value if he can, even if it's just a 7th round pick or just 3m in cap space via a trade. I'm pretty sure he'd be looking for a new QB in the draft if this experiment doesn't work out.

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We all agree it's been determined rg3 is not the future, so there is no way we ever want him to see the field bc of the risk of 16 mil injury possibility.

We all agree we don't rg3 to sabotage 16 million of cap space?